Originally Posted by JaneandJim

everybody jumped in to criticise.

Originally Posted by thatsnotquiteright

I find Faine (sic) in the morning and the bloke who presents the Tonight? programme in the evenings on ABC quite switched on.

Originally Posted by ozzieeagle

Wrong again Arkon.... Australia was criticised after the Hurricane that affected New Orleans, for Announcing that it had a capable rescue force before any other Nation, up and ready to get it's citizens out of the Superdome, along other commonwealth Citizens. They were prevented by the Americans as it would have caused acute embarresment and possible riots around the dome. The forces that were to be used were the ones on "Training missions" in the US. Australia also has forces in Cyprus and Iraq, that could have been used. I dont think they were in a position to start flying Sea kings into Lebanon, without intense diplomatic lobbying, with the Hostilities that are current.

The way you bend facts to suit yourself, is starting to become very Irritating

Originally Posted by JaneandJim

Have to disagree with you there. You have been irritated by Arkon for a very very long time.

This thread didn't start off with a rant. It just became one after everybody jumped in to criticise. Arkon is a red rag to a bull to a lot of posters. His past rants are always going to be held against him, even when he posts something positive.

Jane

Originally Posted by arkon

Missing the point as usual, I still think Australia is crap, but I have now found a single city now that I would consider living in. So no I don't think I'm wrong. One decent city doesn't make me change my view of the rest the place. Even things like the evacuation from Lebanon pisses me off, The rest of the world send ships, busses and choppers to get their people out and Australia tells it’s citizens to hunker down and wait, or worse hitch a ride on another nationals war ship. To watch what’s been going on, on the news this week I would much rather have my British passport on me when abroad than the Australian one. I only hope if the situation was the other way around and it was Australian warships evacuating their nationals that they would be so generous and let the brits leave on them too. But somehow I doubt it, Not enough tick boxes on the boarding pass to cover such a situation.

For me it’s the Australian attitude I have as much of a problem with as the actual physical place. “60 rockets have just been fired at Israel but the raiders just beat the Wallabies 6-0, and wern’t we great at football, Australia were the stars of the tournament……The surfs up at the beach and the rest of the world just doesn’t exist…..”

Originally Posted by moneypen20

No offence but no one critisised him. He made an "Arkonism" regarding troops getting people out of lebanon and news reports and people suggested other ways of getting world news.

Originally Posted by Amazulu

You have a point about Australia being a bit slack about getting their citizens out but the question has to be asked, what the f**k are 25000 Australian citizens doing in Southern Lebanon? It's not exactly an area of the world known for it's stability & peace. Seems to me that these people are Lebanese who emigrated to Australia a while back, got Aussie citizenship & then moved back to Lebanon. In other words Australia has been a country of convenience for them, a stable country where they can get citizenship, move back to Lebanon (where they would rather be) & then use as a bolt hole when the shit hits the fan in Lebanon & get all the benefits of being an Australian citizen. The Australia government does have a legal obligation to get them out that's for sure but it is not their fault that the logistics of getting them out are so difficult. It does happen to be on the other side of the world from Australia & Australia does not have a blue water navy or strategic airlift capability.

Originally Posted by Amazulu

You have a point about Australia being a bit slack about getting their citizens out but the question has to be asked, what the f**k are 25000 Australian citizens doing in Southern Lebanon? It's not exactly an area of the world known for it's stability & peace. Seems to me that these people are Lebanese who emigrated to Australia a while back, got Aussie citizenship & then moved back to Lebanon. In other words Australia has been a country of convenience for them, a stable country where they can get citizenship, move back to Lebanon (where they would rather be) & then use as a bolt hole when the shit hits the fan in Lebanon & get all the benefits of being an Australian citizen. The Australia government does have a legal obligation to get them out that's for sure but it is not their fault that the logistics of getting them out are so difficult. It does happen to be on the other side of the world from Australia & Australia does not have a blue water navy or strategic airlift capability.

Originally Posted by arkon

It all went wrong when vash wrongly assumed I had changed my view of Australia because I liked one city, Then I made the mistake of reminding him that I still have a negative view of the place. If you all re read the thread you will notice that both Vash and Hutch didn't actually contribute to the thread in a constructive way and rather than talking about Canberra, just used the thread as an opportunity to try and discredit me as usual. I think by now everyone knows what I think of the Country and one good city isn’t enough for me to change my opinion. But if people would like to continue discussing the pros and cons of Canberra then lets rip….

Originally Posted by Lord Pom Percy

OZ is on the other side of the world from lebanon, it does'nt have a fleet of ships in the Med. like the USA and Uk it would take weeks for Oz to get ships there.

Originally Posted by moneypen20

No offence but no one critisised him. He made an "Arkonism" regarding troops getting people out of lebanon and news reports and people suggested other ways of getting world news.

Originally Posted by iPom

Everybody? Really?

Originally Posted by JaneandJim

None taken. My point was that it doesn't matter what Arkon posts, Hutch will find something in it to disagree with him about.

Jane

Originally Posted by Hels

but Hutch isnt exactly in the minority now, is he????