the troubadour

A little less Anglo administration please and more fun. Too many rules and regulations and telling people how they should live. Need to lighten up and rid the angst and live life rather than plotting a never arriving future and voluntary becoming slaves towards increasingly out of reach economic future, where few want to actually work but 'get rich' through 'other' means.


Is colonisation really a point towards greatness? I guess the Industrial Revolution had something to do with giving England the leading edge in that. Although Spain didn't do bad, possessing close on a whole continent and France neither.


Getting back to basics in what it means to be living and what we would truly hope and wish it to be could be a starting point, away from economic rationalism and increasing class divides in the sense of them and us, would be a starting point. In the meantime, more tango and samba dancers please. Let the Latin vibe rip....

Amazulu

It most certainly is. I know the modern, PC, revisionist mumbo jumbo that you believe in says otherwise but a quick glance at a globe would show the reality

the troubadour

And just what is that so called reality? While the British may have been , arguably ,among the better of the colonialist bunch, especially compared to the Spanish and might ruled over right, I suspect are your yard stick in measurement towards greatness?


These days it is the Chinese that have taken the place of ancient colonialism, where a newer master has the lead. Is that greatness as well? Or simply an abuse of power because is in a position to execute power and influence.

BadgeIsBack

The English, alone as Europeans, turned administration and engineering into an art form - or with a sense of humour and good society.

The Germans are great and make great cars, and good roads, but as a nation, take themselves too seriously - perhaps their flaw? Individual Germans show lots of idiosyncrasy and individualism. [I'm not sure if they secretly envy the Brits the way they plan and organise and still have fun...on the military staff college course the Brit officers generally make much fun of their US and European counterparts..]

;-)

the troubadour

You obviously are not acquainted with German comedians like Paco Erdhart, whom when last hears off lives in UK.


German society is probably through language more regulated than English speaking ones, but not as repressed as you may presume. Some may ague freer than English in respects of personal liberty.
Humour does vary as it does in England somewhat according to region as does stereotypes, which equally applies even to little Denmark or France.


England though does indeed offer a humour rather special to that land and appreciated by those in the know. Of course many a European regards the English as a bit stuffed shirts, conservative, dull and conformist. True or not. Scots are world famous as engineers. Brits making fun of others? Probably, but I'd suggest the same applies with Europeans towards Brit's. You just need to understand what is being said.


I don't think most Europeans give too much time thinking of what English may or maybe not be. After all, English are but another European race among countries with numerous borders and visitors/ migrants from those places.


Not sure why you stress Germany, as just like England, one of many European nations.

Beoz

So where do you want to put the poor? In the desert? You obviously don't want them living in vibrant cities.

Maybe you should check out western Sydney. Plenty of areas with migrants from India and China who just want a big house and a happy family and are achieving as such.

You are so out of touch.

the troubadour

Where to put the poor? Well how about not importing slaves in the first place?


Very much in touch and best not confuse Chinese, some obviously very rich, others just rather rich to immigrants from Sub Continent, whose wealth on arrival often is well below the former.


Vibrancy in poverty may look fun for those looking in on odd occasions but little fun for those living in.
Best grab yourself a passport and open that mind a little while witnessing how vibrancy is a fact of life in European destinations. Check out Amsterdam while your at it, don't worry far removed from being an LA. Your be safe just don't e a braggart. Few will care you come from Australia.

Beoz

The poor immigrants tend to be from war torn nations. Those who come to Australia via other avenues tend to be pretty good at getting up in the morning, getting out there, and fulfilling there goals.

Of course there are the exceptions. Some people who live in Leederville, with no job, expecting the wealthy owes them a favour. But that's life.

Been there and done Amsterdam numerous times ..... next?

the troubadour

It sure sounds like you know Amsterdam comparing it to LA. No matter travelling in ones dreams is one way to do it I suppose. Cheaper too.


Well no coming on IT qualifications or engineering and ending up as a bus driver, taxi driver, super market worker, security guard and the like is hardly the recipe for successful immigration. Especially in a city as Sydney, earning close to minimum wages (or less) and living in trying conditions, in one of the worlds most over inflated cities.


Glad you mention the wealthy ones. They do indeed need to do society a favour and pay their dues, called taxes. Time of fiddles of the sense of being 'precious' should be long over. Even those of parasitic inclination should be chased down to contribute towards society instead of wage earners with little choice but.

BadgeIsBack

you can't discuss it all... :-) I mention the Germans due to some of the similarities with their bethren..(back in the day when European powers were signing up for ententes they were seen as Teutonic cousins of course..and some sympathy to Nazi Germany in the 30s)...as distinct to the French, Spanish and Italians.

Back on the Latin front, there is an entire racist culture where the whiter and more European you are the better.No amount of elan will necessary help.

the troubadour

That applies to many cultures where the fairer members are rated higher. Be it West Indies or India down to closer to home cultures.


Discrimination is rather often based on economics or lack off, meaning those imported as slaves in the past, or indeed native South American tribes are often tarnished by the too often lack of resources.


A rich person usually escapes the skin bias but pure act of position and influence.


Yes. The recent TV production called Victoria, brought out the Germanic slant to the throne and the bias involved rather well.




Probably Germans (in part) are not as serious as the cliché suggests, nor the English just quite as funny.

Beoz

I think you have confused yourself again. I suggested you compare Sydney to somewhere like LA. You keep going after European cities.

I am curious. Why are you so trapped in Dullsville, a city you find so boring and always critiquing badly, without the ability to find yourself work? A bit of a silly move on your behalf.

the troubadour

If indeed you are reflecting only to be congratulated. I see you prefer to compare Sydney with LA. Is that really the yard ship in measurement you wish on Sydney? I thought you wanted greater density, more in the European or at lest New York form?


Dullsville has its advantages. Just excitement isn't necessary one of them. My critique on Perth is above of beyond excitability though and not something for here.


Travelling a lot, especially in the past, location was not important and never much fancied as a place to live.


Unlike you work and lucre are not my prime concerns thankfully.

Beoz

Oh my. Endless posts comparing Sydney to Amsterdam and he finally gets it. You are not very bright are you?

I know work isn't your thing. You would much prefer a better dole cheque care of wealthy tax payers.

the troubadour

You may want to discuss the topic that you are floundering over rather than worrying about my Giro cheque. Yep your right the pints taste great, when tax payer funded. As for brightness, I'd be first past the post against you every time.
I realise the education system is somewhat wanting in NSW, but really you could at least make an attempt to articulate just why over loading Sydney and Melbourne with record immigration is a good thing? Let me guess. The reason being is because you can't and know it is a darn crazy thing, but falling house prices win the day, in the sense of selling out your fellow citizens. Sadly it isn't all about you.