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Old Feb 8th 2008 | 9:25 am
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here you are, thought you might like this.



now we best let it get back to the original thread.

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im fine until i read your new messages then it pops up again.. now ive kylies rolling around my brain... yeahh thanks
 
Old Feb 8th 2008 | 9:35 am
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Originally Posted by ozzieclare2b
im fine until i read your new messages then it pops up again.. now ive kylies rolling around my brain... yeahh thanks
Oh sorry...

i know the songs are just spinning around..in my head...oh well better the devil you know

they might go before i go to sleep..huh i should be so lucky.

so especially for you....im going to go now.

we'll keep a lo,w,comotion going up the stairs!!

Kylie er sorry Nickie
 
Old Feb 8th 2008 | 10:18 am
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oh well better the devil you know going upstairs wiht ey
 
Old Feb 9th 2008 | 1:13 am
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I LIVED AND BREATHED THIS CARTOON IN THE UK. LIFE IS NOT A FAIRYTALE AND ITS NOT ALL SUNSHINE AND BEACHES.

IT CAN BE DIFFICULT LEAVING FRIENDS AND FAMILY AND ALSO FINDING A JOB
AUSTRALIA IS A BEAUTIFUL PLACE BUT DONT EXPECT IT TO BE PERFECT HERE. IF IT WAS THAT PERFECT WED ALL HAVE BEEN HERE CENTURIES AGO?
THERE ARE LOTS OF ISSUES HERE FOR EXAMPLE WATER SHORTAGE WHICH IS VERY SEVERE IN SOME AREAS, NOT SOMETHING THAT WE LEARN TO MUCH ABOUT IN THE UK, IT REALLY IS SERIOUS.

VIEW IT WITH A LIGHT HEARTED ATTITUDE AS IT REALLY IS FOR ENTERTAINMENT. EMIGRATING SHOULD NOT BE BASED ON A TV SHOW. COME HERE AND TRY IT BEFORE YOU TAKE THE PLUNGE.:thumbup
 
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Just watched the family with teenage boys wanting to go to Adelaide. Lovely family.

Just wanted to say that once again (as I keep on pointing out and was our experience in Australia) the job situation was negative. Another person being offered something with less pay and a decade below their experience. I have said before it is cheeky for these places to look at someone's resume and then offer them something well below their experience. But that is the attitude we encountered as well. It makes all the enthusiasm about big houses with pools and great lifestyle redundant if you are never going to be able to afford them and your esteem has been shattered by the backward step or the desperation that led you to some cr**py job you had to take.
 
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Just watched the family with teenage boys wanting to go to Adelaide. Lovely family.

Just wanted to say that once again (as I keep on pointing out and was our experience in Australia) the job situation was negative. Another person being offered something with less pay and a decade below their experience. I have said before it is cheeky for these places to look at someone's resume and then offer them something well below their experience. But that is the attitude we encountered as well. It makes all the enthusiasm about big houses with pools and great lifestyle redundant if you are never going to be able to afford them and your esteem has been shattered by the backward step or the desperation that led you to some cr**py job you had to take.
Put yourself in an employers shoes.....

They want you to prove yourself in a new marketplace, and unfortunately this means that you "May" have to take a step backwards for a short while, before you can move forwards......

Would you take someone on from the other side of the world on the basis of a CV......... no, you would put them in a position to prove themselves 1st.....

I'll get off my soapabox now....
 
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Originally Posted by simonp
Put yourself in an employers shoes.....

They want you to prove yourself in a new marketplace, and unfortunately this means that you "May" have to take a step backwards for a short while, before you can move forwards......

Would you take someone on from the other side of the world on the basis of a CV......... no, you would put them in a position to prove themselves 1st.....

I'll get off my soapabox now....

Put them into a position that is ten years below their experience? Seems a little drastic.

Now in regards to employing someone from the other side of the world. The distance in miles is far I can see, but we are talking about potential employees from a nation that probably leads the world in most of the trades and business in question. There isn't even a language barrier to contend with. In this day and age you can even speak to their referees just like you would if you were employing someone who had always worked in Australia! Why should the Australian employers treat British immigrants like they have come from another planet? There is expecting someone to prove they can do the job and there is taking the p**. Getting someone to do a job 10 years below their experience is the latter.

Now I wonder if someone moving from NSW to South Australia, where the market would also be 'different', would be expected to do a drop ten years below their experience?
 
Old Feb 9th 2008 | 9:03 am
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JUST A UPDATE.....

remeber the single mother and her 2 boys from the south wales valley's...worked in the ICU at the Royal Gwent hospital????

well i went to a birthday party this afternoon..with my son as it was his friends party...and got talking to another mother of a child there..and she mentioned that she works in the ICU..so i asked her if she knew the women that was on the show WDU??..and she said yerso i asked her if she knew she was still making the move,and guess what??






yep..her and the boys are heading out to Melbourne at the end of the month..and she got a job lined up straight away

so i thought i would let you guys all know


so good luck and all the best to her
 
Old Feb 9th 2008 | 12:01 pm
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Just watched the family with teenage boys wanting to go to Adelaide. Lovely family.

Just wanted to say that once again (as I keep on pointing out and was our experience in Australia) the job situation was negative. Another person being offered something with less pay and a decade below their experience. I have said before it is cheeky for these places to look at someone's resume and then offer them something well below their experience. But that is the attitude we encountered as well. It makes all the enthusiasm about big houses with pools and great lifestyle redundant if you are never going to be able to afford them and your esteem has been shattered by the backward step or the desperation that led you to some cr**py job you had to take.

That was our experience in Adelaide in 02/03, and we left it for Sydney 5 years ago.

We still have the house in a nice burb, Kensington, and it's rented out but the job situation in Adelaide is not very good

a 2003 article from the now defunct Bulletin :


Vanishing state
Wednesday, November 26, 2003
South Australia may be known officially as the festival state but the reality is that it's still in a right state. Efforts are being made to garner economic credibility but it must be a worry when Croweater jokes start to outnumber Tasmanian gags, as Patrick Carlyon learns.
s the absence of airport air bridges. There are few buildings that soar for the sky. ­Several cranes - a crude measure of economic ­prosperity - pierce the skyline. For all the gloomy predictions, the past 12 months have been relatively kind to Adelaide.

In Salisbury North, home to serial killers, roof tiles glare and tin roofs rust. Beaten-up Falcons share the roads with ­hotted-up Commodores. This is widely considered the "daggy" part of Adelaide where single mums gather for cheap housing. But you wouldn't know it talking to Salisbury mayor Tony ­Zappia. House prices have more than doubled in the past six years and chronic unemployment has dropped. Sleeves rolled up, thoughts pinging, Zappia spends 40 minutes explaining the gradual transformation. His excitement is plain. He could go on for hours.

Roger Rowse drives a taxi 12 hours a day through the Adelaide streets. He makes about $7 an hour but he doesn't do it for the money. The former Adelaide city councillor has an opinion on everything. Football. Politics. The "arty-farty left-wing ­chardonnay set". No, Rowse argues, South Australia isn't stuffed after decades of ­stagnation, and who better to judge the public mood than a taxi driver? "We're starting not to feel embarrassed about ourselves," Rowse says. "We're starting to feel good about ourselves."

Car-making, wine and food underpin the state's export growth. Aquaculture and other niche markets have started to take off. Access Economics, in its latest quarterly report, describes South ­Australia's recent surge in investment, machinery and equipment as "especially intriguing". ­Factors suggest that "business is now betting that South Australia is coming of age and that its economy is finally shaking off the ­ravages of the 1980s and the first half of the 1990s". Yet the report is uncertain that the growth will last.

Premier Mike Rann isn't getting complacent. His blend of cautious economics and social reform has put his popularity, according to a recent poll, at 94%. But he doesn't take the numbers too seriously - after eight years as opposition leader, he knows better than to get carried away. He attributes his appeal to being honest with the public.

Rann admits the state is economically screwed without fundamental shifts in policy and attitudes. He was confronted with Mitsubishi's most recent threat to leave on only his second day in office last year. A combined federal-state grant of $85m convinced the manufacturer to expand research. Yet the case highlights the state's precarious hold. If Mitsubishi had left, according to some estimates, unemployment rates in the state would have risen a full percentage point for up to the next 10 years.

Rann, once speechwriter to his mentor, Don Dunstan, tends to round his vowels like another Adelaide local, Alexander Downer, but he talks tough about his vision. No more corporate welfare. No more half-baked recipes that never rise. Rann appointed an economic development board (EDB) last year. It's an impressive list of names which includes Bob Hawke, Carolyn Bart and film director Scott Hicks. The board's first job was to write a report summarising the past 10 years.

The State of the State was clear-cut. Too many reports had been commissioned and ignored. Leaders had avoided presenting hard truths to constituents. There could be no more "alibis, excuses or buck-passing".

Board chairman is Robert Champion de Crespigny, the former Normandy Mining boss, who isn't known for tiptoeing around the truth. De Crespigny has hinted at a return to business but until he does, he will spruik South Australia to sceptical business leaders across Australia. "I've never known a place that really could change and do something and it is only us who holds ourselves back," he tells The Bulletin.

Rann and de Crespigny are playing with few natural advantages, but de Crespigny is keen to promote the benefits of cheaper living. Young business owners, he says, could sell their house in Melbourne, buy the comparable property in Adelaide for about 60% of the cost, and pump 40% into their business. But he acknowledges that the battle ahead is about more than numbers: "I think the great pity is that it's seen far more negatively than we would care for it to be seen ... but the only way to change that is performance."

Adelaide was considered a rich city at the start of the 20th century. Its grand buildings of that era were financed with mining windfalls from Broken Hill and Kalgoorlie. Only 20 years ago, Adelaide was virtually run by a "club" of eight or nine men who perpetuated the conservative values of the landed gentry. They sat on the major company boards and built prosperity on protectionist policies. The directors tended not to seek out ideas from the east, or from the west, which grew and passed South Australia some time in the 1980s.

In 1992, a major report by an international consultancy found successive governments, including the legendary Dunstan reign, had failed to lay economic structures. The Bannon government was described "by and large, [as] shooting any bird that flies past". South Australia flinched when globalised competition and tariff reductions tapped. Enterprise had been stifled by conservatism. Strengths became weaknesses.

Since then, South Australia has limped ­further behind the rest of the country. Rann calls the 1990s a "call centre-led recovery" that saw education retention rates dwindle. He wants export earnings nearly tripled in the next 10 years. Of 71 EDB recommendations of the EDB, 70 have been passed. A venture capital board has been established and infrastructure, such as fibre-optic cabling, will be installed. Annual progress "report cards" will be issued.

Rann's ambitions have been tempered by budgetary constraints. The priority is an improved credit rating and his government trimmed nearly $1bn in spending over three years. Now Rann introduces himself at business meetings with a spiel: "I'm really keen on helping you but I know you won't be asking me for money because you won't be getting any."

Six main areas have been identified - education, finance, export capability, ­gov-­­ ­ernment efficiency, infrastructure and population. Some $39m was allocated to these goals in the 2003-04 budget. But the recommendations are high on rhetoric.

Some promise little more than a review and some business leaders aren't convinced by the patter. "It's all very well to set targets," a close observer says. "The feeling among ­business people now is that you've got to have more than rhetoric."

Every local seems to have a theory on how to fix Adelaide. Like all economists, both the weekend kind and the wealthy, they join dots that others don't always see. That more people equals more demand equals more jobs. That the Adelaide-Darwin railway will open Asian trade links. That the new venture capital board will inspire young entrepreneurs to invest. That the thirty­somethings will want to return home.

Rann envisages a return to before the eastern cringe set in, to the Dunstan era when, he says, other states looked to South Australia for social innovations, law reform and education. The distinction between now and then, of course, would be closer attention to the state's economic levers in a globalised world. "I guess my ambition is to lead and not to follow, to be a destination again, not a home town that kids have to leave," he says.

But first things first. Plans for a $240m airport redevelopment were announced not long ago. New air bridges and all. It might not be much. But it could be a start in South Australia's battle of perceptions.

The new airport is in now, almost 2 years late and 50 or so million over budget, seems the Project Team responsible decided to do it their own way in true Adelaide style, and the resultant mess caused quite an embarrassment.

all this when they could have looked at any medium sized municipal airport in the USA and just copied it.......
 
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I know this is a strange first post but, what are you talking about? The airport is open and has been rated as the second best airport of its size in the world.
 
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Sorry, hope my reply didn't sound rude, I just got a shock when I read your post (and the old article) and wouldn't like people to think Adelaide is a basket case. Personally, I don't think that's true.
 
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Not at all, I am referring to the poor design and management that delayed the airport for almost a year and a half.

Hard Stands designed poorly, so that two wide bodied 73's could not dock side by side, , freight still has issues, fuel contamination over a period of 6-8 months prior to opening , which required complete flushing before either VB or QF would use the bowsers, Regional Airlines delegated to an apron about 5 minutes walk to the terminal centre....

mostly all fixed........ but they could have bought a similar designed airport out of the box for a song from the US

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Yes, I remember the fuel contamination problems and the problems with regional travellers. I don't necessarily think that importing the plan for a foreign airport is ideal - and I assume that there was work for South Australians in building a completely new airport, though I am no expert.

I would like to add that we are ex-pats returning to Adelaide in a year or so, and we have no real worries about securing employment (in IT). It worries me that people think of Adelaide and imagine tumble-weeds blowing through the streets. It's a great place but it needs people and growth.

Hope I am not hijacking a thread. I'm pleased to be here and should have introduced myself months ago (bit shyish)
 
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It's a great place but it needs people and growth.
That in a nutshell is it. It is a great place especially for kids, it has potential, but I don't want to raise my kids and have them disappear out the door when they are 21 never to return..

That article is 5 years old , and indeed alot could/should have changed since then, but five things need to happen in Adelaide.

1. They need to fix their water issues.
2. The place cannot continue to be run by Prince's and Saints ex school boys.
3. Have they done something with the Elec Grid infra structure, because last I heard or last I paid, the voltage loss was 60 % in some areas ?
4. Proper investment needs to happen, not just call centres, Mitsubishi have gone last week , that is a real shame.

5. Get rid of Alexander Downer

6. They need to pay proper dollar for people coming there, not just 50% because the cost of living is cheaper.
 
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Kristo,

Basically I want to see adelaide lift it's game, we'd love to return there, but not until it gets alot better and there are more opportunities, got burned there once and I am reluctant to put my family through that again.
 


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