Aussie Dream Over??
Dec 15th 2009, 3:55 am
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Re: Aussie Dream Over??
There are levels of materialism and the some see it as becoming a bit of a problem when the creed of consumption becomes the focus of a society a religion of sorts if you like..which in itself is totally unfulfilling in that most needs will never be met...advertisers are the real deal these days in getting people to think they need more..and not to say just plain wasteful.
Australia is high up the stakes indeed of material consumption together with USA,a little odd your perceptions are that the UK is more materialistic..find the opposite to be true..although thanks to events back in the eighties the UKs level of materialism did take off to a large extent.
Australia is high up the stakes indeed of material consumption together with USA,a little odd your perceptions are that the UK is more materialistic..find the opposite to be true..although thanks to events back in the eighties the UKs level of materialism did take off to a large extent.
But the fact so many Brits are obsessed with shops and pricing suggests to me that materialism is alive and well in both places.
For me, spending money on 'stuff' is a means to an end, an investment, or an attempt to gain an efficiency somewhere, but ultimately the purpose of advancement somewhere. Agreed that greed is bad news, as is pointless and mindless consumerism. Capitalism will win though.
Dec 15th 2009, 5:14 am
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Re: Aussie Dream Over??
Rather an odd statement to say the very least to state the world would end up like P.D.R.Korea. If people returned to the levels of consumption of past times in fact we would be a healther and not to say far happier planet.
Just consider the cost people put themselves through in the search for continued material gain? Most things are not made locally at home anymore,anywhere.
So many folk enslave themselves on the tread mill unable to stop falling victims to the spin to purchase newer,better, cooler of whatever item they are trying to flog,from autos to white goods and technology to houses.
Could not life have a little more meaning?
Just consider the cost people put themselves through in the search for continued material gain? Most things are not made locally at home anymore,anywhere.
So many folk enslave themselves on the tread mill unable to stop falling victims to the spin to purchase newer,better, cooler of whatever item they are trying to flog,from autos to white goods and technology to houses.
Could not life have a little more meaning?
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Dec 15th 2009, 5:16 am
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Re: Aussie Dream Over??
I see no difference really, between UK and Australia. Perhaps there is a market for particular things in Australia. ie. Outdoor entertainment 'settings', pergolas, sheds, dirt bikes, boats etc etc...reflects the good old Aussie lifestyle.
But the fact so many Brits are obsessed with shops and pricing suggests to me that materialism is alive and well in both places.
For me, spending money on 'stuff' is a means to an end, an investment, or an attempt to gain an efficiency somewhere, but ultimately the purpose of advancement somewhere. Agreed that greed is bad news, as is pointless and mindless consumerism. Capitalism will win though.
But the fact so many Brits are obsessed with shops and pricing suggests to me that materialism is alive and well in both places.
For me, spending money on 'stuff' is a means to an end, an investment, or an attempt to gain an efficiency somewhere, but ultimately the purpose of advancement somewhere. Agreed that greed is bad news, as is pointless and mindless consumerism. Capitalism will win though.
Dec 15th 2009, 6:07 am
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Re: Aussie Dream Over??
Capitalism may be peaking here. 2 car families, holiday homes, 3 TVs. How much can you buy?
It’s just starting in places like Asia. They move will consume the efforts and resources of the entire world for about 20 years.
A friend of mine is a secretary in BKK. Twenty years ago she would have walked. Ten years ago she would have a motor scooter. Last year she bought a car. When Thai secretaries buy cars capitalism is advancing.
It’s just starting in places like Asia. They move will consume the efforts and resources of the entire world for about 20 years.
A friend of mine is a secretary in BKK. Twenty years ago she would have walked. Ten years ago she would have a motor scooter. Last year she bought a car. When Thai secretaries buy cars capitalism is advancing.
Dec 16th 2009, 10:51 am
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Re: Aussie Dream Over??
Clearly you haven't spent a great deal of time there. I have. There are some (North island Maori) towns that have scant electricity and the homes have mud floors. Even my apparently well-off in-laws had no heating at all in their wooden home and an outside toilet.
It has no motorway network and no rail network to speak of. The only link between the second largest city in NZ (Christchurch) and it's nearest urban neighbour (Dunedin) is a single-lane-each-way road. You can't take a train, because there aren't any.
Many third world countries (eg India) have better transport infrastructures than that.
Buzzy
It has no motorway network and no rail network to speak of. The only link between the second largest city in NZ (Christchurch) and it's nearest urban neighbour (Dunedin) is a single-lane-each-way road. You can't take a train, because there aren't any.
Many third world countries (eg India) have better transport infrastructures than that.
Buzzy
And wow; you're comparing a country with over a BILLION people to a city of 370k with a road to a place 360km away with a population of 120k.
Open your eyes.
Dec 16th 2009, 3:13 pm
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Re: Aussie Dream Over??
Now there are malls in every town, filled with dozens of fast-food outlets, 7-11's etc, and there really is a noticeable proportion of fat people now, especially kids.
As for the car? Well I really don't know where they cram them all in.
Dec 16th 2009, 5:23 pm
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Re: Aussie Dream Over??
I found the Aussie Dream to be a complete nightmare.
Australia is overrated and far too far away from the civilised world, yes it has a hot climate and some decent beaches, but thats where it all ends.
If you can stand listening to Australians and Australian media going on and on about how wonderful they THINK they are then yes Australia is for you.
Australia is overrated and far too far away from the civilised world, yes it has a hot climate and some decent beaches, but thats where it all ends.
If you can stand listening to Australians and Australian media going on and on about how wonderful they THINK they are then yes Australia is for you.
Dec 16th 2009, 8:25 pm
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Re: Aussie Dream Over??
I found the Aussie Dream to be a complete nightmare.
Australia is overrated and far too far away from the civilised world, yes it has a hot climate and some decent beaches, but thats where it all ends.
If you can stand listening to Australians and Australian media going on and on about how wonderful they THINK they are then yes Australia is for you.
Australia is overrated and far too far away from the civilised world, yes it has a hot climate and some decent beaches, but thats where it all ends.
If you can stand listening to Australians and Australian media going on and on about how wonderful they THINK they are then yes Australia is for you.
Dec 16th 2009, 9:29 pm
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Re: Aussie Dream Over??
Lots of poor English people stuck there , they cant afford to return.
It's all a big con.
I found that out after nine long years....
It's all a big con.
I found that out after nine long years....
Dec 16th 2009, 10:10 pm
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An interesting side effect of that is just how many fatties you now see in Thailand. 15 years ago fast food outlets were a rarity outside of Bangkok, even in Bangkok they existed purely for foreigners really.
Now there are malls in every town, filled with dozens of fast-food outlets, 7-11's etc, and there really is a noticeable proportion of fat people now, especially kids.
As for the car? Well I really don't know where they cram them all in.
Now there are malls in every town, filled with dozens of fast-food outlets, 7-11's etc, and there really is a noticeable proportion of fat people now, especially kids.
As for the car? Well I really don't know where they cram them all in.
BKK traffic just gets worse.
Dec 16th 2009, 10:20 pm
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Re: Aussie Dream Over??
Australia is always begging for migrants , you should see the ads on late night TV in the UK.
It's all a sales pitch along the lines of timeshare holidays , accept it can end up a permanent hell on earth....the only ones who benifit are the Australian government and the people of Australia , difference is the people of Australia don't like English migrants .....it's a history thing , they have a big chip on their shoulder about things that have long gone ....
It's all a sales pitch along the lines of timeshare holidays , accept it can end up a permanent hell on earth....the only ones who benifit are the Australian government and the people of Australia , difference is the people of Australia don't like English migrants .....it's a history thing , they have a big chip on their shoulder about things that have long gone ....
Dec 16th 2009, 10:33 pm
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Dec 16th 2009, 10:48 pm
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Australia is always begging for migrants , you should see the ads on late night TV in the UK.
It's all a sales pitch along the lines of timeshare holidays , accept it can end up a permanent hell on earth....the only ones who benifit are the Australian government and the people of Australia , difference is the people of Australia don't like English migrants .....it's a history thing , they have a big chip on their shoulder about things that have long gone ....
It's all a sales pitch along the lines of timeshare holidays , accept it can end up a permanent hell on earth....the only ones who benifit are the Australian government and the people of Australia , difference is the people of Australia don't like English migrants .....it's a history thing , they have a big chip on their shoulder about things that have long gone ....
Given some of the comments here, I think migration from the UK should be totally stopped. There is obviously something seriously wrong when so many people complain.
(I am being serious here)
Australia could make up the shortfall by offering visas to Asians, many of whom are absolutely desperate to get out of countries with no free medical system, no unemployment benefits, poor quality of life and no chance of improvement.
I think many of the Australians who don’t like the English are actual descended from the Irish, who (you may recall have an issue with the English). Certainly Catholicism is strong in many areas, ie government. I remember being taken to the Catholic club for lunch when I was bidding for a large NSW government contract many years ago. I joked that as a good Protestant boy I shouldn’t be allowed in here. One of guys said “don’t say that, if they realise you will never get any more work from us”. I never did get the contract, and never got any more orders out of that department.
Do you find Derbyshire any better?
I’m a Derbyshire boy, and found it class riddled, insular and highly elitist. If your family were not 4 generations Derbyshire born then you were and outsider.
The place was also full of Halls, they are everywhere. Most are now owned by jumped up businessmen and tradies who made good. They liked to act like lords of the manor.
Dec 16th 2009, 10:51 pm
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