An apology to asylum seekers
Apr 16th 2014, 5:30 am
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Apr 16th 2014, 5:32 am
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Yes a grand total of around 25,000 a year would be a fair total for a country like Australia. Still hardly over generous but fair.
Apr 16th 2014, 7:01 am
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The question is - what do you do when the quota is reached?? In other words, when the situation is exactly what it is now? Sink the boats? Turn them around? Shoot the boat people?
As I said pages ago, the heart-on-sleeve people have no answer.
Apr 16th 2014, 7:20 am
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Or, do a detailed study first. Increasing the threshold might have benefits to Australia, it might have negative effects. Either way a detailed study is necessary to communicate the pros and cons as its a political hot potato.
Apr 16th 2014, 7:40 am
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No more a political hot potato than the record immigration levels as are being under taken at the moment. Just less awareness of the issue. And far less so if emotive language like illegal immigrants were refrained from government use.
Apr 16th 2014, 7:45 am
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I don't see the right wing as having any answers to a difficult solution. Looking up women and kids is certainly not one of them.
Apr 16th 2014, 8:10 am
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It would require Indonesia being wiling to house asylum seekers until their turn came up. The argument being of course why should the poorer developing world be expected to do all the holding. It wouldn't be hard to imagine those nations saying Australia is better resourced to do that.
I don't see the right wing as having any answers to a difficult solution. Looking up women and kids is certainly not one of them.
I don't see the right wing as having any answers to a difficult solution. Looking up women and kids is certainly not one of them.
Apr 16th 2014, 1:44 pm
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Re: An apology to asylum seekers
Personally I think the annual refugee intake should be abolished.
This will free up the government to pick and choose which refugees it will accept. Maybe none this year and 18,000 next year if there is an emergency somewhere.
It's time this industry was closed down. If the money from the refugee program was spent instead supporting industry perhaps 200,000 auto jobs could be saved.
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This will free up the government to pick and choose which refugees it will accept. Maybe none this year and 18,000 next year if there is an emergency somewhere.
It's time this industry was closed down. If the money from the refugee program was spent instead supporting industry perhaps 200,000 auto jobs could be saved.
Keel
Apr 16th 2014, 1:47 pm
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Personally I think the annual refugee intake should be abolished.
This will free up the government to pick and choose which refugees it will accept. Maybe none this year and 18,000 next year if there is an emergency somewhere.
It's time this industry was closed down. If the money from the refugee program was spent instead supporting industry perhaps 200,000 auto jobs could be saved.
Keel
This will free up the government to pick and choose which refugees it will accept. Maybe none this year and 18,000 next year if there is an emergency somewhere.
It's time this industry was closed down. If the money from the refugee program was spent instead supporting industry perhaps 200,000 auto jobs could be saved.
Keel
Apr 16th 2014, 9:29 pm
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That doesn't look like a very clever idea. It would result in Indonesia becoming a magnet for the worlds asylum seekers.
Apr 17th 2014, 1:27 am
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Re: An apology to asylum seekers
Personally I think the annual refugee intake should be abolished.
This will free up the government to pick and choose which refugees it will accept. Maybe none this year and 18,000 next year if there is an emergency somewhere.
It's time this industry was closed down. If the money from the refugee program was spent instead supporting industry perhaps 200,000 auto jobs could be saved.
Keel
This will free up the government to pick and choose which refugees it will accept. Maybe none this year and 18,000 next year if there is an emergency somewhere.
It's time this industry was closed down. If the money from the refugee program was spent instead supporting industry perhaps 200,000 auto jobs could be saved.
Keel
Countries that have no annual intake have far greater numbers just turning up at the borders anyway.
Australia would hardly get away with a no intake with surrounding nations. Best have a number of 25 to 27,000 as an annual intake and be done with it.
Nothing would save the auto industry. In fact far worse bumps on the road ahead than that, it would be fair to suppose.
Apr 17th 2014, 1:30 am
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Re: An apology to asylum seekers
Apr 17th 2014, 2:43 am
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Nobody referencing this? http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...than-disclosed
Sorry, but that data, and the fact that they aren't carrying out the review properly, blows wide open the claim that this was an honest mistake. Take a look at that path, notice how it turns away from the red line, then turns back to go over it, by 9km, then scarpers.
They knew damn well they were passing into Indonesian waters, and so does the government. They are trying to cover it up. You don't go 9km into someone else's territorial waters as an honest mistake about a decimal point.
The Ocean Protector entered Indonesia’s internal waters – placing it nine kilometres inside the country’s territorial seas and just 27 kilometres from Indonesia’s shore ....
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... “I should stress that this occurred unintentionally and without knowledge or sanction by the Australian government.”...
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... But Guardian Australia can also reveal that no interview transcripts or recordings were taken for the purposes of the investigation from any members of the private contractors who crew the Ocean Protector, raising further concerns about the extent of the review.
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... “I should stress that this occurred unintentionally and without knowledge or sanction by the Australian government.”...
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... But Guardian Australia can also reveal that no interview transcripts or recordings were taken for the purposes of the investigation from any members of the private contractors who crew the Ocean Protector, raising further concerns about the extent of the review.
Sorry, but that data, and the fact that they aren't carrying out the review properly, blows wide open the claim that this was an honest mistake. Take a look at that path, notice how it turns away from the red line, then turns back to go over it, by 9km, then scarpers.
They knew damn well they were passing into Indonesian waters, and so does the government. They are trying to cover it up. You don't go 9km into someone else's territorial waters as an honest mistake about a decimal point.