An apology to asylum seekers
Really, you're scraping the bottom of the barrel now.
Apr 26th 2014, 11:46 pm
#258
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Re: An apology to asylum seekers
Act within the law as civilized nations around the world tend to do. There is a Senate inquiry going on at the moment into Manus Island. UNHCR have voiced strong concerns into the legality of Australia's actions and I believe a report will be out by the years end.
Odd Australia is making the most noise when the numbers were far less than Europe.
Not the say the continued detention of over one thousand minors and children behind locked gates would be classed as an assault on the rights of a child and illegal in most courts.
Odd Australia is making the most noise when the numbers were far less than Europe.
Not the say the continued detention of over one thousand minors and children behind locked gates would be classed as an assault on the rights of a child and illegal in most courts.
Shouldn't we really be asking why Europe is allowing it to happen?
Apr 27th 2014, 1:06 am
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Re: An apology to asylum seekers
Strange that you see it that way. Europe's borders have been surrendered to the control of people smugglers and many people are dying at sea. Under the labor/green coalition the same was happening in Australia and quite rightly, Australians voted for it to be halted. Unlike in Europe, the elected government here is carrying out the will of the majority of voters.
Shouldn't we really be asking why Europe is allowing it to happen?
Shouldn't we really be asking why Europe is allowing it to happen?
I bet the people there would like their government to take the same stance as Australia, but the Italian gov. is not in charge - the EU is
Apr 27th 2014, 1:09 am
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Apr 27th 2014, 10:40 am
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Re: An apology to asylum seekers
But the scare campaign from the coalition calling for the government to resign, a budget emergency and constant negative bashing of all labor decisions backed by the mainstream media did the damage and swayed the voters against the labor party.
A vote doesn't mean you get what you want. The compromise is sometimes massive because there is no closer alternative or one that has a chance.
Did people vote for this? Yes. Do Australians want it? Unproven.
Apr 27th 2014, 11:31 am
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Re: An apology to asylum seekers
It would be nice if you stopped hiding behind this. People voted for many reasons. To suggest they all voted because they wanted every policy campaigned by the coalition is ridiculous. It's fair to expect that they compromised on some things. Getting the labor party out was necessary as they shown themselves to be weak and badly managed. The alternative didn't have to match their wishes.
But the scare campaign from the coalition calling for the government to resign, a budget emergency and constant negative bashing of all labor decisions backed by the mainstream media did the damage and swayed the voters against the labor party.
A vote doesn't mean you get what you want. The compromise is sometimes massive because there is no closer alternative or one that has a chance.
Did people vote for this? Yes. Do Australians want it? Unproven.
But the scare campaign from the coalition calling for the government to resign, a budget emergency and constant negative bashing of all labor decisions backed by the mainstream media did the damage and swayed the voters against the labor party.
A vote doesn't mean you get what you want. The compromise is sometimes massive because there is no closer alternative or one that has a chance.
Did people vote for this? Yes. Do Australians want it? Unproven.
Apr 27th 2014, 12:07 pm
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Re: An apology to asylum seekers
However, as you're fishing for something here, I'll try to make it clearer for you.
If we have a policy in place that might be working, we let it have a run and see how it goes. I'm referring to Kevin Rudds policy change late last year. Scrapping that and enforcing the coalitions policy is messing with tax payers money. Plus, as it seemed that the boats had slowed down due to the message getting across that boat arrivals will not be settled in Australia, it's fair to assume that this aided the current status of boat arrivals, hence the little work the ADF are reporting to have to do with few boats beign intercepted.
My preference is that means of travel doesn't determine whether you get processed or not as people will still travel by boat and risk their lives. There obviously should be more reponsibility on neighbouring countries such as Indonesia in fighting the people smuggling but we need to do more ourselves. First and foremost, we need the government to want to help. They don't. They want new jets.
Apr 27th 2014, 3:56 pm
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Re: An apology to asylum seekers
Yes and I dismissed your question last time as you didn't bother to reread the previous posts. Also, I think you're suggesting I have a political bias against the coalition. They are not my choice but there is no current choice that suits me.
However, as you're fishing for something here, I'll try to make it clearer for you.
If we have a policy in place that might be working, we let it have a run and see how it goes. I'm referring to Kevin Rudds policy change late last year. Scrapping that and enforcing the coalitions policy is messing with tax payers money. Plus, as it seemed that the boats had slowed down due to the message getting across that boat arrivals will not be settled in Australia, it's fair to assume that this aided the current status of boat arrivals, hence the little work the ADF are reporting to have to do with few boats beign intercepted.
My preference is that means of travel doesn't determine whether you get processed or not as people will still travel by boat and risk their lives. There obviously should be more reponsibility on neighbouring countries such as Indonesia in fighting the people smuggling but we need to do more ourselves. First and foremost, we need the government to want to help. They don't. They want new jets.
However, as you're fishing for something here, I'll try to make it clearer for you.
If we have a policy in place that might be working, we let it have a run and see how it goes. I'm referring to Kevin Rudds policy change late last year. Scrapping that and enforcing the coalitions policy is messing with tax payers money. Plus, as it seemed that the boats had slowed down due to the message getting across that boat arrivals will not be settled in Australia, it's fair to assume that this aided the current status of boat arrivals, hence the little work the ADF are reporting to have to do with few boats beign intercepted.
My preference is that means of travel doesn't determine whether you get processed or not as people will still travel by boat and risk their lives. There obviously should be more reponsibility on neighbouring countries such as Indonesia in fighting the people smuggling but we need to do more ourselves. First and foremost, we need the government to want to help. They don't. They want new jets.
Apr 27th 2014, 9:42 pm
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Re: An apology to asylum seekers
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The position of the centre of the EU, the 50% point, is in the liberal/centralist block, trending towards the right wing parties.
So, wrong again....
The position of the centre of the EU, the 50% point, is in the liberal/centralist block, trending towards the right wing parties.
So, wrong again....
You rely on Wikipedia for your source of truth? 
Apr 27th 2014, 9:43 pm
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Re: An apology to asylum seekers
Actually, no. Most Italians have a lot of sympathy for these people. Possibly due to Italy being a nation of immigrants. There isn't a family who doesn't have family members in another country. A past gov. caused outrage when illegal immigration was made a crimminal offence. That law has now been abolished.
Apr 27th 2014, 10:48 pm
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