Another Fun Night in Perth
Mar 7th 2005 | 9:29 am
#31
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Re: Another Fun Night in Perth
Originally Posted by jad n rich
Firstly nobody is scaremongering, its just a few brave souls have come up with some reality stories lately, I think the general feel behind the scenes of the forum is 'You cant post that it would upset people', or people dont want a verbal attack so they keep quiet. All you have to bear in mind is a lot of the same stuff goes on here, and why wouldnt it, its a western society, with all its problems and excesses. Its not a case of if a party makes it to the papers theres not much crime then, usually those parties are raided by about a 1000 bored kids, a bit more to it than teaparty makes papers.
Keep it in perspective, its just like the UK, it goes on, sometimes you are in the wrong place at the wrong time and see it. I dont really believe all the people who escape the UK due to its horrors of the daily mail
have actually been affected by them, doesnt mean they havent seen it tho at times.
As for the financial posts, a picture does seem to be forming of many people on incomes around $600/700 after tax, but that is what the average wage is after tax, but with a family of kids I think the average wage earner would get some hefty tax refunds or family payments to help out.
As for expensive, if I lived on those wages I would find things very expensive, most people we know both work, like anywhere else really. You cant get these points across tho, people in the UK have a currency worth 2/3 times ours, it will always look like australias cheap to them. Think how many times you hear petrol is cheap, now halve your income, double your engine, and drive 10 times further, see if its cheap then
You say you travelled, when you went to those places didnt they have the same problems
? everywhere we have ever been has had some problems, the only confusing thing is why so many people think australia was ever any different.
If you cancel travel to a place because it has a few problems, then you would never go anywhere ever again! Dont worry about it.
Keep it in perspective, its just like the UK, it goes on, sometimes you are in the wrong place at the wrong time and see it. I dont really believe all the people who escape the UK due to its horrors of the daily mail
have actually been affected by them, doesnt mean they havent seen it tho at times. As for the financial posts, a picture does seem to be forming of many people on incomes around $600/700 after tax, but that is what the average wage is after tax, but with a family of kids I think the average wage earner would get some hefty tax refunds or family payments to help out.
As for expensive, if I lived on those wages I would find things very expensive, most people we know both work, like anywhere else really. You cant get these points across tho, people in the UK have a currency worth 2/3 times ours, it will always look like australias cheap to them. Think how many times you hear petrol is cheap, now halve your income, double your engine, and drive 10 times further, see if its cheap then
You say you travelled, when you went to those places didnt they have the same problems
? everywhere we have ever been has had some problems, the only confusing thing is why so many people think australia was ever any different.If you cancel travel to a place because it has a few problems, then you would never go anywhere ever again! Dont worry about it.
Thanks for the length of reply and I agree with your sentiments.
I think the bottom line is that people really want the move to 'work' - whatever this means to them (for me, it's an outdoors lifestyle, weather, beach, 'life's too short to stay in one country' and to give my kids the opportunity to choose to live/work in Australia or the Uk at a later date). But living in a new country is such an unknown - even if you have been to the country previously - and is a gamble.
Most potential migrants are also uprooting children and disappointing family who are remaining in the UK but ultimately we take a calculated risk - we are prepared to uproot and disappoint if we believe that the (immediate) family will be in a better position with regard to quality of life. For some migrants with great incomes, few responsibilities and huge amounts of equity for house purchases the gamble is largely irrelevant - it will probably work and if it doesn;t they can just return. But for us - and I assume many others - it is not so clear cut. My salary will be modest - 60K and single earning - as will that of many others, and if things go wrong, it can be difficult to make amends. When salaries are more marginal, the negatives have a much bigger impact.
It's not always an easy decision and understandably, when we read negatives it preys on our insecurities - the cost/benefit analysis becomes a little more tricky. All of this woul;d be a lot easier of course if I was a single man migrating.
Incidentally, our last move was never so fraught! We found out we were moving in October and left in late December. The short time span helped - we just didn't have time to find the negative comments!!
Mar 7th 2005 | 9:39 am
#32
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Re: Another Fun Night in Perth
Originally Posted by Larissa
I don't know why the police are so anal about speed traps but don't go after these tw@ts, maybe invest in some stingers and that would take some of them off the streets.
Mar 7th 2005 | 9:45 am
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Re: Another Fun Night in Perth
Originally Posted by aussie73
Makes me feel glad l live in Victoria, the state with the lowest crime rate in OZ, apart from Tasmania.
Mar 7th 2005 | 9:47 am
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Re: Another Fun Night in Perth
Originally Posted by jad n rich
Did you C&P that from the aussie newspapers, its exactly the same here, except the benefits are higher I am so disappointed in the way the world is going in general. My one and only experience of the job centre here in the UK in March 2004 one trip), was what gobbyjock said.
I went there to find a job, what I saw and heard was beyond me, e.g. "Just signed on, so another 2 weeks of *****ing around for me", was one of the best ones from a "Job Centre Client" leaving the building, umm!!!
Seeing babies in prams holding sausage rolls, not wanting to quote Jamie Oliver but these kids are the future, eating juck. Their Mothers, every 2nd word begins with "f", love bites on necks, smoke in mouth complaining they didn't get as much as such in such for their emergency grant from the social.
Most of those I have spoke with, hard working folk, decent and honest want out, they believe their country of birth has gone to the dogs and it is a crying shame. I now understand why those on the Forum want to give Oz a go, not saying it is a bed of roses but more appealing.
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Mar 7th 2005 | 1:23 pm
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Re: Another Fun Night in Perth
I haven't been here long enough to compare my experience of crime in Aus with the UK... but... the hoon thing makes my blood boil. We're living in a fairly decent suburb and there's still a big problem. Ocean Reef is a lovely area and they have this problem too, also the Hillaries which I'd call posh (don't mean to offend).
The main thing which annoys me is that Hooning is socially acceptable here; joyriding in the UK isn't. Punishments are a joke and it's glamorised on TV (watch the soaps and they often have some stressed out teenager going off for a good Hoon like it's natural).
The crosses and flowers at the side of main roads are alarming when you first get here; many are youngsters. I can only guess the peer pressure on teenagers to get into a mates car when it's socially acceptable, or they're stuck for a ride home (given the distances in Aus).
Given that most hooning seems to happen here between 3 and 4 in the morning I can only guess that they're off their heads on speed; if it was just booze they'd have conked out ages ago.
The main thing which annoys me is that Hooning is socially acceptable here; joyriding in the UK isn't. Punishments are a joke and it's glamorised on TV (watch the soaps and they often have some stressed out teenager going off for a good Hoon like it's natural).
The crosses and flowers at the side of main roads are alarming when you first get here; many are youngsters. I can only guess the peer pressure on teenagers to get into a mates car when it's socially acceptable, or they're stuck for a ride home (given the distances in Aus).
Given that most hooning seems to happen here between 3 and 4 in the morning I can only guess that they're off their heads on speed; if it was just booze they'd have conked out ages ago.
Mar 7th 2005 | 1:34 pm
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Re: Another Fun Night in Perth
Wow never thought Ocean Reef was that bad!
Bro in law lives there and has never once said anything about anti social behaviour. He's in Windlass Ave by the way. Is it only confined to certain roads then, or is there a part of Ocean Reef that isn't so nice?
Jenny
Bro in law lives there and has never once said anything about anti social behaviour. He's in Windlass Ave by the way. Is it only confined to certain roads then, or is there a part of Ocean Reef that isn't so nice?
Jenny
Mar 7th 2005 | 1:41 pm
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Re: Another Fun Night in Perth
Originally Posted by jensteve
Wow never thought Ocean Reef was that bad!
Bro in law lives there and has never once said anything about anti social behaviour. He's in Windlass Ave by the way. Is it only confined to certain roads then, or is there a part of Ocean Reef that isn't so nice?
Jenny
Bro in law lives there and has never once said anything about anti social behaviour. He's in Windlass Ave by the way. Is it only confined to certain roads then, or is there a part of Ocean Reef that isn't so nice?
Jenny
I suppose the reason there is trouble is we are "front row" - directly opposite the dunes which, at night can be a thoroughfare for youngsters "up to no good".
In any neighbourhood the trouble can be because of a bad house, often a rental property with a group of young lads in it. There is one, in Ocean Reef near our friend's house (close to Windlass) - every night there are about 20 cars outside (and on neighbours lawns too). Accompanied by the usual burnouts, doof doof sounds and occasional screaming rows in the street at 2am.
Mar 7th 2005 | 1:44 pm
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Re: Another Fun Night in Perth
Originally Posted by renth
We probably live in one of the nicer roads.
I suppose the reason there is trouble is we are "front row" - directly opposite the dunes which, at night can be a thoroughfare for youngsters "up to no good".
In any neighbourhood the trouble can be because of a bad house, often a rental property with a group of young lads in it. There is one, in Ocean Reef near our friend's house (close to Windlass) - every night there are about 20 cars outside (and on neighbours lawns too). Accompanied by the usual burnouts, doof doof sounds and occasional screaming rows in the street at 2am.
I suppose the reason there is trouble is we are "front row" - directly opposite the dunes which, at night can be a thoroughfare for youngsters "up to no good".
In any neighbourhood the trouble can be because of a bad house, often a rental property with a group of young lads in it. There is one, in Ocean Reef near our friend's house (close to Windlass) - every night there are about 20 cars outside (and on neighbours lawns too). Accompanied by the usual burnouts, doof doof sounds and occasional screaming rows in the street at 2am.
Jenny
Mar 7th 2005 | 1:48 pm
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Re: Another Fun Night in Perth
Originally Posted by renth
We probably live in one of the nicer roads.
I suppose the reason there is trouble is we are "front row" - directly opposite the dunes which, at night can be a thoroughfare for youngsters "up to no good".
I suppose the reason there is trouble is we are "front row" - directly opposite the dunes which, at night can be a thoroughfare for youngsters "up to no good".
My feeling that Hooning is everywhere, but you'd be alright in a Cul de Sac as they want somewhere with longer roads to race down. They've been down our road, which is minor but still quite long.
Mar 7th 2005 | 1:49 pm
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Re: Another Fun Night in Perth
Originally Posted by Larissa
Given that most hooning seems to happen here between 3 and 4 in the morning I can only guess that they're off their heads on speed; if it was just booze they'd have conked out ages ago.
It's not the sort of thing youngsters generally do after a few "cones"
Mar 7th 2005 | 1:50 pm
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Re: Another Fun Night in Perth
Originally Posted by jensteve
Jeez you put me off the place, looks arn't everything then. I suppose it can happen anywhere but not nice if its outside your front door.
Jenny
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Mar 7th 2005 | 5:30 pm
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Re: Another Fun Night in Perth
It's on page 9 of today's West Australian.
There was $20,000 worth of damage to the house and cars as well as "stab wounds and broken bones"
There's $2000 reward too.
There was $20,000 worth of damage to the house and cars as well as "stab wounds and broken bones"
There's $2000 reward too.
Mar 7th 2005 | 10:01 pm
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Re: Another Fun Night in Perth
Originally Posted by renth
Simone made a good point that if you live in a cul de sac you'd avoid a lot of the trouble.
Mar 7th 2005 | 11:01 pm
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Re: Another Fun Night in Perth
Originally Posted by NKSK
I think the bottom line is that people really want the move to 'work' - whatever this means to them (for me, it's an outdoors lifestyle, weather, beach, 'life's too short to stay in one country' and to give my kids the opportunity to choose to live/work in Australia or the Uk at a later date). But living in a new country is such an unknown - even if you have been to the country previously - and is a gamble. ...
My salary will be modest - 60K and single earning
My salary will be modest - 60K and single earning
I'd also think carefully about any family support you currently get in terms not only of childcare but, without getting cheesy about it, the love and support that only a relative is going to give them.
Giving your kids dual nationality is all well and good, but do bear in mind that you could be storing up an emotional hornets nest if they go to the UK to work and decide to settle there, leaving you in Oz.
I was all set to go at the end of Jan and had paid for the flights but ended up cancelling even though my contract job ends in a few weeks. For me, unless I have solid achievable plans for how we are going to earn $80k+ between us *and* be able to buy a reasonable house for cash then I am not prepared to risk it.
Mar 8th 2005 | 12:07 am
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Re: Another Fun Night in Perth
Originally Posted by renth
In any neighbourhood the trouble can be because of a bad house, often a rental property with a group of young lads in it.
Or were....
One of our neighbours has moved out in order to move in with his girlfriend and his druggie sister has moved in for a few weeks. Now we are subjected to her late night 'ranting' at full volume (unfortunately all the drugs she has taken in the last 10 years have made her schizophrenic) plus all her druggie friends keep turning up at all hours of the day and night and most seem to think hoon style behaviour is acceptable.
Fortunately we know she will be 'rehoused' in the near future, but even so its scary wondering what is going to happen each night.
