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LoneRanger Apr 11th 2008 9:25 pm

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Originally Posted by steve`o (Post 6185647)
i know some one will a similar tale down here
he did some work for a couple quoted 900 bucks they kept on adding bits and his final invoice was in excess of 1100 bucks
they refused to pay stating that they new the limit was 1100 and they would see him in court -
well out of order but bugger all he can do :ohmy:
( legally ;))

Would a good set of tyres not amount to more than $1100?:sneaky:;)

If you know what I mean?

BrisbaneBound2008 Apr 12th 2008 12:34 am

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I've read this thread with much interest! My OH is a Bricklayer (am imagining its along the same lines in terms ofr work/licence as carpentry)and we're moving to Brisbane in May. On our reccie last year he spoke to the BSA people and they weren't that helpful and it was all quite confusing. Then there was something to do with Master Builders and all sorts!

Are we correct in thinking that if he sub-contracts for a licenced builder, ie on their payroll, then he doesn't need a licence? As much as he'll probably want to work for himself again over there I think he'd rather get settled first. We are aware he'll need a blue card (hear this is easy to get), and some job ads also ask for an ABN. Can he get an ABN if he isn't licenced?

cresta57 Apr 12th 2008 1:45 am

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Originally Posted by BrisbaneBound2008 (Post 6197987)
I've read this thread with much interest! My OH is a Bricklayer (am imagining its along the same lines in terms ofr work/licence as carpentry)and we're moving to Brisbane in May. On our reccie last year he spoke to the BSA people and they weren't that helpful and it was all quite confusing. Then there was something to do with Master Builders and all sorts!

Are we correct in thinking that if he sub-contracts for a licenced builder, ie on their payroll, then he doesn't need a licence? As much as he'll probably want to work for himself again over there I think he'd rather get settled first. We are aware he'll need a blue card (hear this is easy to get), and some job ads also ask for an ABN. Can he get an ABN if he isn't licenced?

Yep 100% correct, he can work for a bricklaying contractor for wages at first then when he gets a licence in his own right he can become a subcontractor.
Blue card is a simple half day course mainly common sense H&S stuff, costs circa $100 bucks.
By the time you arrive it may have all been simplified, or maybe not this being QLD.
If your O/H is still employed then printing the Bricklaying criteria, it's on the dima link I posted a few posts back, would be beneficial as you can then word a reference around all the skills it says are necessary & get it typed on company letter headed paper. They love seeing things written down here;)

angelaharvey2003 Apr 12th 2008 1:48 am

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hiya

we are a family looking to immigrate to the land of OZ.

My husband is looking for construction work (like brick laying, general building work) Whereabouts in Australia the best place for his type of job- is it Melbourne or Brisbane or totally sydney loll. We just want to get it right

thanks for all your help


Many thanks
Ange
:thumbsup:

wanna_be_in_Oz Apr 12th 2008 2:05 am

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Originally Posted by LoneRanger (Post 6110490)
I know this has probably been discussed many times but as we are nearing our time to head to Brisbane I was looking at the best way to ship out tools and equipment.

I am a Joiner and have just about 2 of everything and all in great condition. The thing is that we had hoped to ship our things out in advance of us arriving but the other side of the coin is the small matter of keeping enough here to earn/ work with up until we leave which will be when our house sale settles.

What did you all do with respect to tools and equipment?

Did you sell off in the UK and buy new in Oz?

Did you keep enough/ basics in UK to tide you over and then ship them over when you're leaving?

I've thought about selling some in the UK but I am loathe to do so as they are all top quality tools and plant but would never get what they are worth on the second hand market and the cost to replace / replenish does not equate! Tools and equipment are different to furniture etc and as all tradesmen know there is nothing better than doing work with your own tools and ones that you are used to.

I am quite sure we have all been faced with this dilemma and it would be interesting to know how everyone tackled this problem.

Looking forward to hearing how you did it!

Lone Ranger

My partner (who is a joiner) and I are emigrating to Australia next year.
can anyone tell me which area has plenty of work or what they average wage for a Joiner is?
i'm currently looking at secret harbour just outsiide of perth however we are also considering Point Cook in the melbourne area.#
we have never been to Australia and we just can't decide which area to live in, it all looks much better than Burnley which is where we are now. I also like the look of Cairns/Townsville and the Sunshine coast.
We have decided to just go for it, we are both in our very early twenties and i currently work as a civil servant so i have no idea what kind of Job i will get when we get there.
any info on the areas mentioned also greatly appreciated
many thanks
Terri-leigh and Zac

LoneRanger Apr 12th 2008 10:39 pm

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Originally Posted by cresta57 (Post 6198251)
Yep 100% correct, he can work for a bricklaying contractor for wages at first then when he gets a licence in his own right he can become a subcontractor.
Blue card is a simple half day course mainly common sense H&S stuff, costs circa $100 bucks.
By the time you arrive it may have all been simplified, or maybe not this being QLD.
If your O/H is still employed then printing the Bricklaying criteria, it's on the dima link I posted a few posts back, would be beneficial as you can then word a reference around all the skills it says are necessary & get it typed on company letter headed paper. They love seeing things written down here;)

Hi Cresta

Noticed that you advise wording references around the skills that are deemed necessary on the DIMA link. Are these references similar to the ones required for TRA (Visa Application)?

I had an old mate in Scotland who had a great line to potential employers when seeking a job, he used to say 'Give me a week's work and if you don't like me or my work then sack me!' He wasn't the greatest but seemed to get started 95% of the time and was never out of work!

Seems like a good tactic for good reliable tradesmen to get started in Australia don't you think?

Lone Ranger:thumbsup:

cresta57 Apr 12th 2008 11:40 pm

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Originally Posted by LoneRanger (Post 6201253)
Hi Cresta

Noticed that you advise wording references around the skills that are deemed necessary on the DIMA link. Are these references similar to the ones required for TRA (Visa Application)?

I had an old mate in Scotland who had a great line to potential employers when seeking a job, he used to say 'Give me a week's work and if you don't like me or my work then sack me!' He wasn't the greatest but seemed to get started 95% of the time and was never out of work!

Seems like a good tactic for good reliable tradesmen to get started in Australia don't you think?

Lone Ranger:thumbsup:

Yep there's a list of skills that are deemed the core skills to any construction trade apprenticeship here in Aus the regs drawings rules etc. theory side are all very similar then there are the aspects unique to each trade. The list of core skills for a tiler is here in a post I did ages ago. I was required to get my ex employer to fax a covering letter stating that he had seen ( I faxed it to him) the core skills list & that I was more than capable of carrying out the tasks listed. The DET loved the letter as it detailed all the skills as part of the reference.
The "week for free or sack me" has been known to work in the past, have you been searching my previous posts?;):eek:
Another popular dodge here is to ask all the subbies if they will chip in their labour to build a show home, we've been asked a couple of times & politely declined. I do know a couple that did very nicely out of it though.

BrisbaneBound2008 Apr 14th 2008 3:09 am

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Originally Posted by cresta57 (Post 6198251)
Yep 100% correct, he can work for a bricklaying contractor for wages at first then when he gets a licence in his own right he can become a subcontractor.
Blue card is a simple half day course mainly common sense H&S stuff, costs circa $100 bucks.
By the time you arrive it may have all been simplified, or maybe not this being QLD.
If your O/H is still employed then printing the Bricklaying criteria, it's on the dima link I posted a few posts back, would be beneficial as you can then word a reference around all the skills it says are necessary & get it typed on company letter headed paper. They love seeing things written down here;)

Thanks for that Cresta57, he's been self employed for the last 18yrs but does do some subcontracting work still. Will wait to see if he needs ref's and then approach them in UK for them with that list like you suggested. Getting the TRA declarations done was bad enough, what with him being self employed and no formal quals, just a 4yr apprenticship when he was 16!! I also like the idea of hiring for a week or so to show what he can do. He's a fantastic bricklayer so once he's in the door I don't think he'd have a problem. We'll see how it all goes in May!

Pinny Apr 14th 2008 6:38 am

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Hi
Can i just double check that you can use 240v tools from the Uk in Australia (including on sites) & if this is the case do you use an adaptor or can you change the plug to an Australian plug?
Cheers in advance;)

cresta57 Apr 14th 2008 9:36 am

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Originally Posted by Pinny (Post 6207927)
Hi
Can i just double check that you can use 240v tools from the Uk in Australia (including on sites) & if this is the case do you use an adaptor or can you change the plug to an Australian plug?
Cheers in advance;)

Yep 240 all the way here. Everything must plug into a safety switch, it's just a four way power box with an inbuilt RCD trip switch. It plugs into the "on site" power & everything else plugs into it.

Timber Floor Au Apr 14th 2008 10:15 am

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Originally Posted by cresta57 (Post 6208685)
Yep 240 all the way here. Everything must plug into a safety switch, it's just a four way power box with an inbuilt RCD trip switch. It plugs into the "on site" power & everything else plugs into it.

That is if the sparkies have powered up the sockets.

Then its a fight for the 2 temp sockets in the fuseboard lol

Ste

cresta57 Apr 14th 2008 7:47 pm

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Originally Posted by Timber Floor Au (Post 6208852)
That is if the sparkies have powered up the sockets.

Then its a fight for the 2 temp sockets in the fuseboard lol

Ste

Yep, how this method can be safer I really don't know:confused: A job the other day there was us tiling, the chippies, plumbers, painters & guy who does the downpipes. I had my safety switch plugged in & everyone else had leads plugged into mine:curse: Just one single power point in the temp supply:thumbdown:

Pinny Apr 14th 2008 10:56 pm

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Originally Posted by cresta57 (Post 6208685)
Yep 240 all the way here. Everything must plug into a safety switch, it's just a four way power box with an inbuilt RCD trip switch. It plugs into the "on site" power & everything else plugs into it.

So no problem bringing ANY 240V tools from UK then?

Timber Floor Au Apr 15th 2008 12:35 am

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Originally Posted by cresta57 (Post 6210462)
Yep, how this method can be safer I really don't know:confused: A job the other day there was us tiling, the chippies, plumbers, painters & guy who does the downpipes. I had my safety switch plugged in & everyone else had leads plugged into mine:curse: Just one single power point in the temp supply:thumbdown:

LOL , have you been on site where they drape the power leads thru puddles !

Sometimes I seriously cringe.

cresta57 Apr 15th 2008 1:00 am

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Originally Posted by Pinny (Post 6211281)
So no problem bringing ANY 240V tools from UK then?

Not that I can think of. You do have to get a licenced sparkie to change your plugs to Aussie ones though. It's to technical for your average Queenslander so they made it illegal to change them:huh:


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