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cresta57 Apr 5th 2008 1:22 am

Re: For All Tradesmen
 

Originally Posted by Pinny (Post 6154747)
Hi SBOZ:thumbs_up:
I see you say you "set up within days". Does this mean i have been misinformed that you can't set up you own business until you have been in the country for 2 years. I own a Carpentry Contracting Company and would like to set up again as soon as possible. 2 other quick questions - 1/ Do the locals get a bit upset with the immigrants setting up companies & taking there work (just as we do with the poles etc) 2/ How did you get work so quickly, did you advertise or was it word of mouth.
cheers
Stuart
:beer:


Originally Posted by SBOZ (Post 6155936)
Hey..
1A...misinformed-Yep
1B...not really,if they did, tell them to stop bitching and take you're chuffin' sunnies off while you're fixing bloody plasterboard
2...Got off me arse and did everything myself, I've still $1200 worth of printing(flyers),promo goods in my garage getting in the way as I've never needed to send any out, as I mentioned if youre any good then work will always be there and its getting to meet tradie types to... O and drinking tea ;)

I wouldn't say you've been misinformed, just that some immigrants chose to go down the legal route towards being a contractor. That means they have their skills assessed by the DET who then decide if any further training is necessary to bring the applicant up to the same level of skills/ knowledge as their Aussie contemporaries. If further training is deemed necessary it could well be up to two years before you could gain a legitimate contractors licence. It took me over nine months to get mine & it was a straight forward application. Despite what you may read they are a legal requirement for any work over $1100 bucks. Don't take my word for it, a quick search reveals the following cases where tradies have been fined for failing to have a current trade licence:
$15000 fine for unlicenced trading
Unlicenced trader fined
Unlicenced fence erector fined $6000 dollars for first offence
New legislation passed

It's up to the individual which route they want to go down. I chose to comply with the legislation in place the other poster chooses not to.
Bear in mind that different states have different licence requirements as licencing is state law not federal.
The immigration website gives full details of individual state licencing requirements.
For Queensland the following websites are a good source of information:

http://www.trainandemploy.qld.gov.au...licensing.html

http://www.beconstructive.com.au/

http://www.bsa.qld.gov.au/Home/

Probably the most important one would be this one: http://www.legislation.qld.gov.au/LE...uildSerR03.pdf

It explains the necessary legal requirements with regards to licencing for any work over $1100 dollars inclusive of labour & materials.

Pinny Apr 5th 2008 2:21 am

Re: For All Tradesmen
 

Originally Posted by cresta57 (Post 6163114)
I wouldn't say you've been misinformed, just that some immigrants chose to go down the legal route towards being a contractor. That means they have their skills assessed by the DET who then decide if any further training is necessary to bring the applicant up to the same level of skills/ knowledge as their Aussie contemporaries. If further training is deemed necessary it could well be up to two years before you could gain a legitimate contractors licence. It took me over nine months to get mine & it was a straight forward application. Despite what you may read they are a legal requirement for any work over $1100 bucks. Don't take my word for it, a quick search reveals the following cases where tradies have been fined for failing to have a current trade licence:
$15000 fine for unlicenced trading
Unlicenced trader fined
Unlicenced fence erector fined $6000 dollars for first offence
New legislation passed

It's up to the individual which route they want to go down. I chose to comply with the legislation in place the other poster chooses not to.
Bear in mind that different states have different licence requirements as licencing is state law not federal.
The immigration website gives full details of individual state licencing requirements.
For Queensland the following websites are a good source of information:

http://www.trainandemploy.qld.gov.au...licensing.html

http://www.beconstructive.com.au/

http://www.bsa.qld.gov.au/Home/

Probably the most important one would be this one: http://www.legislation.qld.gov.au/LE...uildSerR03.pdf

It explains the necessary legal requirements with regards to licencing for any work over $1100 dollars inclusive of labour & materials.

I have a feeling that a licence is not required in Melbourne but i will check on the immigration website, cheers for the info:thumbup:

if anyone in the Melbourne area knows anymore info i would appreciate it.

Just to confirm can you use 110V tools on site (union) with a transformer using an adaptor for the english plugs.

Stuart:blink:

LoneRanger Apr 5th 2008 2:32 am

Re: For All Tradesmen
 

Originally Posted by cresta57 (Post 6163114)
I wouldn't say you've been misinformed, just that some immigrants chose to go down the legal route towards being a contractor. That means they have their skills assessed by the DET who then decide if any further training is necessary to bring the applicant up to the same level of skills/ knowledge as their Aussie contemporaries. If further training is deemed necessary it could well be up to two years before you could gain a legitimate contractors licence. It took me over nine months to get mine & it was a straight forward application. Despite what you may read they are a legal requirement for any work over $1100 bucks. Don't take my word for it, a quick search reveals the following cases where tradies have been fined for failing to have a current trade licence:
$15000 fine for unlicenced trading
Unlicenced trader fined
Unlicenced fence erector fined $6000 dollars for first offence
New legislation passed

It's up to the individual which route they want to go down. I chose to comply with the legislation in place the other poster chooses not to.
Bear in mind that different states have different licence requirements as licencing is state law not federal.
The immigration website gives full details of individual state licencing requirements.
For Queensland the following websites are a good source of information:

http://www.trainandemploy.qld.gov.au...licensing.html

http://www.beconstructive.com.au/

http://www.bsa.qld.gov.au/Home/

Probably the most important one would be this one: http://www.legislation.qld.gov.au/LE...uildSerR03.pdf

It explains the necessary legal requirements with regards to licencing for any work over $1100 dollars inclusive of labour & materials.

Cheers Cresta

Good information, very useful.

Lone Ranger

pommy Apr 5th 2008 7:09 am

Re: For All Tradesmen
 
looks like theres a lot of chippies heading to oz hope your not all going to the sunshine coast :D only joking thanks for all the info very helpfull
good luck to all of you
pommy:thumbsup:

cresta57 Apr 5th 2008 11:38 am

Re: For All Tradesmen
 
Anyone wishing to check relevant state licence issues for their trade, info is available on the immi.gov website. From the main page it's four clicks to the actual trade info:
http://www.immi.gov.au/
http://www.immi.gov.au/immigration.htm
http://www.immi.gov.au/skilled/index.htm
http://www.immi.gov.au/skilled/gener...tion/index.htm
http://www.immi.gov.au/asri/index.htm
For example: Carpenter 4411-13, Wall and Floor Tiler 4416-11 or Painter and Decorator 4421-11 etc. etc. When you click on the link it will show individual state responsibilities for each trade.

steve`o Apr 5th 2008 11:39 am

Re: For All Tradesmen
 

Originally Posted by Pinny (Post 6163299)

Just to confirm can you use 110V tools on site (union) with a transformer using an adaptor for the english plugs.

Stuart:blink:

nope as the secondry winding wont trip the rcd ( safety switch ) if theres a fault

ukecadet Apr 5th 2008 2:43 pm

Re: For All Tradesmen
 

Originally Posted by Pinny (Post 6163299)
I have a feeling that a licence is not required in Melbourne but i will check on the immigration website, cheers for the info:thumbup:

if anyone in the Melbourne area knows anymore info i would appreciate it.

Just to confirm can you use 110V tools on site (union) with a transformer using an adaptor for the english plugs.

Stuart:blink:

No licence required and no for the 110v

Iggle piggle Apr 6th 2008 12:19 am

Re: For All Tradesmen
 

Originally Posted by ivanjjordan (Post 6110895)
i would take ur 240 tools and sell ur 110 stuff when i was over there at xmas i priced buyin new hand tools but they are not cheap so i will b takin mine havent got price for shipping them yet but its around 140 quid for a t chest size box by sea hope this helps :)

Hi
Got any idea of the average rate for workshop joiners in perth.
Do you have to join a union to get into a workshop.
This tool shipping info is all good , but i;ve got a workshop full of kit .mortice and tennon machines panel saw .i' ve been quoted about £3200 to fill a 20 foot container.It's just not worth selling it in the uk.I,ll probably store it for about 6 to 12 months(costly but not much choice) Then hopefully set up a joinery shop.If not i'll just have to sell it.I just could'nt bear to have to buy all my kit again from scratch.

Nozzys Apr 6th 2008 1:18 am

Re: For All Tradesmen
 

Originally Posted by LoneRanger (Post 6110490)
I know this has probably been discussed many times but as we are nearing our time to head to Brisbane I was looking at the best way to ship out tools and equipment.

I am a Joiner and have just about 2 of everything and all in great condition. The thing is that we had hoped to ship our things out in advance of us arriving but the other side of the coin is the small matter of keeping enough here to earn/ work with up until we leave which will be when our house sale settles.

What did you all do with respect to tools and equipment?

Did you sell off in the UK and buy new in Oz?

Did you keep enough/ basics in UK to tide you over and then ship them over when you're leaving?

I've thought about selling some in the UK but I am loathe to do so as they are all top quality tools and plant but would never get what they are worth on the second hand market and the cost to replace / replenish does not equate! Tools and equipment are different to furniture etc and as all tradesmen know there is nothing better than doing work with your own tools and ones that you are used to.

I am quite sure we have all been faced with this dilemma and it would be interesting to know how everyone tackled this problem.

Looking forward to hearing how you did it!

Lone Ranger

My OH is a sparky and he needed his tools pretty quick after arrival too. We sent a lot with the rest of our furniture in the container but the shipping company also dealt with air freight so we air freighted a crate of tools that he would need to get him through before everything else arrived. Definitely worth bringing tools with you. We used PSS for shipping and air freight and found them totally reliable on both accounts. Air freight took approx. two weeks in total including flight and customs.

LoneRanger Apr 6th 2008 5:58 am

Re: For All Tradesmen
 

Originally Posted by Nozzys (Post 6167487)
My OH is a sparky and he needed his tools pretty quick after arrival too. We sent a lot with the rest of our furniture in the container but the shipping company also dealt with air freight so we air freighted a crate of tools that he would need to get him through before everything else arrived. Definitely worth bringing tools with you. We used PSS for shipping and air freight and found them totally reliable on both accounts. Air freight took approx. two weeks in total including flight and customs.

What did the air freight cost?

Thanks

Lone Ranger

brissyboyds Apr 7th 2008 11:04 am

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Originally Posted by kezzabird (Post 6110851)
My OH is a Diesel fitter, Plant machinery mechanic for those that don't know. Luckily for him he had a fabulous employer who allowed him to borrow tools for 6 weeks prior to leaving, whilst his tools were on their way to Oz. He was then lucky enough to find an employer here who was willing to lend tools for another 6 weeks. We spent 3 weeks holidaying in between, so it kinda made things a bit easier. But I know a lot of you chippies are self employed and may not be able to do this, but for those that aren't just ask, it doesn't hurt to ask and they might just surprise you.:)

I'm a fitter like your OH,looked into air frieght for about 25 kgs of tools anywhere from £350 to £550 to ship out,can't borrow tools over here as I work alone out of a van on site.How clean did his tools have to be?Sockets,grips and pliers are a nightmare to clean especially small stuff,any tips on it ?

ashby Apr 8th 2008 3:18 am

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I don't want to hijack this thread so just a quick note--

Will any plumbers--specifically in Queensland--please pm me??
We are looking to go to Cairns. Thanks

Pinny Apr 8th 2008 4:25 am

Re: For All Tradesmen
 
Hi Everyone:)
Does anybody know whether Paslodes 1st & 2nd fix are used in Australia or if it is mainly compressor powered nailers.
If they are used, is there plenty of service outlets.
If they don't use them is there a alternative make of battery powered gas nailers.
Cheers
Stuart:thumbup:

cresta57 Apr 8th 2008 10:08 am

Re: For All Tradesmen
 

Originally Posted by Pinny (Post 6178638)
Hi Everyone:)
Does anybody know whether Paslodes 1st & 2nd fix are used in Australia or if it is mainly compressor powered nailers.
If they are used, is there plenty of service outlets.
If they don't use them is there a alternative make of battery powered gas nailers.
Cheers
Stuart:thumbup:

Yep they have both the framing & the finishing gun, they retail at approx $500.00-600.00.
One thing that some of the U.K chippies that use them here have found is that the gas cartridges don't seem to last as long or pack the same punch. A couple of them get rellies to bring them out by the box full when they come for holidays.

LoneRanger Apr 8th 2008 5:49 pm

Re: For All Tradesmen
 

Originally Posted by cresta57 (Post 6180116)
Yep they have both the framing & the finishing gun, they retail at approx $500.00-600.00.
One thing that some of the U.K chippies that use them here have found is that the gas cartridges don't seem to last as long or pack the same punch. A couple of them get rellies to bring them out by the box full when they come for holidays.

There are problems with the gas cartridges at present in the UK particularly with the finishing gun! Had mine serviced on Friday and still not firing properly!
Paslode have said that there have been problems with gas cartridges for the finisher but wouldn't elaborate, however, they have kindly loaned me one free of charge whilst they sort out mine.

Our shipper has warned that although the guns can be shipped over they must not contain the gas cartridges whilst in transit and that includes any spares that you might have.

There are now quite a lot of compatible (fake/copy?) nails and cartridges that fit the guns available in the UK at a cheaper cost, I haven't tried them yet as I am running down my stock of 'originals' and don't know Paslodes stand on them although I'd imagine that it would have implications re guarantees and warranties etc!

Happy Nailing!


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