shiftdelete

because he can't defend it- like any hypocrite, all he's comfortable with is exploiting his own racially warped ideas, from the comfort of his house in Australia.
You're a joke mate What does your conscience say to you when its snug and quiet at midnight, or are you sleeping like a baby

shiftdelete

He's a spy

Campbells

INTEGRATION MY ASS

In June 2002, former Eskom CEO Thulani Gcabashe approved a corporate directive on procurement from black suppliers.

This established a "hierarchy of procurement" which had to be followed in sourcing products and services.

Although existing agreements were to be respected, for any further purchases drawn from outside the company Eskom was required to go first to "black women-owned suppliers", then "small black suppliers", then "large black suppliers", then "black empowering suppliers".

Only once these options had been exhausted could "other" South African suppliers be considered."

The result was that Eskom's coal stockpile was systematically reduced year-on-year, from 61 days in 2000 to just 18 days in 2007.

Now, all his other responsibilities aside, has Gcabashe faced any consequences for that massively destructive policy? No, none. In fact, he is still on Eskom's payroll.

He was responsible for that policy. It failed with devastating results. Yet he hasn't had to face a single consequence.

This does NOT ONLY happen with Eskom, it is the BEE system and a prime example how you are discriminated against if you are a white person in business.

Of course you can offer bribes, it is the African way

MartynK

The power crisis was a catastrophic failure of government and Eskom, but don't be too smug about bribes being "the African way". It's first world companies who usually pay the bribes - witness the arms deal - and they are just as culpable.

shiftdelete

whats there to be smug about- it is the african way.

One option is to refuse .

Another option is to say someone else is just as culpable.

Another option is to blame it on the whites

Here we go again with the eternal shifting of responsibiltity because "I'm black, I can".

Hey- to most african leaders out there- try refusing a bribe Its for the good of your own people choke splutter gag.
:curse:

MartynK

This has nothing to do with shifting responsibility or trying to excuse bribery and corruption amongst black African politicians. It's wrong, but it's also endemic in most societies at various levels, and all the parties involved are culpable.

Just as an example, I believe the Speaker of the House of Commons in the UK is frantically trying to squash the corruption scandal involving MPs, including himself, and their "expense claims". Not so?

FWIW, this thread started with "Opposition to Integration". I am also opposed to any form of compulsory integration, and would go further. I disagree with statutory discrimination, because it is rooted in government policies, but believe that individuals and businesses have an inalienable right to discriminate as much as they please in their own affairs.

There was a fuss recently about the resurrected Black Journalists Forum hosting Jacob Zuma and excluding white journalists from the event. Most white journalists objected, citing racism, but I really don't have any problem with this at all, providing any other group who form an association have the right to exclude anyone they please for any reason at all, without legislative meddling.

Tegwyn

Point is, they don't. Any white group that gets together or chooses to do business with other white companies would be labelled racist and there would be a complete meltdown about it. Does not matter whether they could offer a better product and/or expertise.

Campbells

EXACTLY

shiftdelete

Fair enough- it happens the world over. How often in Africa by comparison and how devastating the consequences on the general population is up for debate.

Also agree- no excuse for any parties involved.

This thread "Opposition to Integration" was started by Juggernaught but motivated along the lines of "see, these whiteys are still in the 80's- they are not integrating". It was factually incorrect but thats beside the point for now. It was a clever trick to 'double post' this with his "Sensless Violence", so one could perhaps draw a conclusion between the killings and white's refusal to integrate.

One could of course also conclude (but less likely to) that some whites refuse to integrate exactly as a result of these continued and uncontrolled barbaric attacks, theft etc against them, which do not seem to attract any government intervention, police protection or warrant the international exposure it deserves.

With respect to your last paragraph, I could not disagree more. We should all have learnt from apartheid as did the Americans, as did the... etc, etc how far back does this sort of discrimination go - DO NOT DISCRIMINATE BASED ON THE COLOUR OF A PERSONS SKIN- END OF STORY. NO GOOD WILL COME FROM THIS.

Tegwyn is exactly right though- Hollywood would never allow the world to accept that whites could form a whites only club. However I suspect no such problems about the Black Journalists Forum. Why on earth do we have a group calling themselves african-american? they're american right? Obviously there must be some advantage to segregating yourself off like this

Pablo

The biggest mistake the outgoing minority government made in 1994 was failing to outlaw racial discrimination. They wanted to, but the ANC opposed it.

Now we can see the result. Under the banner of "empowerment" they have corrupted and debauched all the normal criteria of judgement when it comes to hiring people. Yet again idiots are catapulted into high positions solely on grounds of their skin colour (and ANC affiliations). Little wonder blacks in senior positions wonder whether their white colleagues look down on them.

You work in an office, you simply cannot criticise someone who is black. It doesn't matter how incompetent they are, they will scream "racism" and your career will be over. So you just work around them, or do their work for them, and leave them to drive the big company Merc.

This sort of thing empowers nobody.

shiftdelete

oh, thats interesting- didn't know that (was there till 96)- no wonder then. Unbelievable.
What a mess, but aren't the black elite just creaming it now .

shiftdelete

Actually- was speaking to a saudi guy recently- he said it was unfortunate that the whites had abandoned the blacks in SA!!...I had to compose myself and eventually heard myself saying "rubbish". Said we still have family in Zim..... stayed through sanctions, through the war, through independance, through everything mugabe has been able to throw at them...he said- thats because they couldn't leave, I said, rubbish (again), (communicating not my strongest suit)- SA funds available for a comfortable life if they wanted it thank you.

Even stayed to help teach the gentleman before he stole our farm, and no we didn't steal that farm from anyone! :curse:

Stanley10

Defend What? (still waiting for your factual debate)

That because your white you are not necessarily superior, how warped is that?

I sleep like a baby.

Stanley10

I've often wondered, why is it that the Europeans seem to be more involved in arms deals to the third world than the Americans. Is it because they are more willing to give bribes than the US? Wasn't there a big deal between the BAE and Saudi where bribes were allegedly paid ?

Stanley10

Hollywood is a whites only club, windowdressed with a few black faces.