scrubbedexpat141

Didn't mean to be patronising and should have balanced it a bit more as I have previously with the lies spouted by all.

I'm talking about both sides in reality. Neither side had a fully educated group of support who chose to inform themselves to the best degree.

My point was that lots of people will very quickly latch onto the first thing that supports their claims whether BS or not, without much further thought and these things can end up being pedaled by them as fact, as truth, as the utter gospel.

I laughed when I first heard the 350m a week claim. You might have done too. Some people would have thought it was low. Some would have thought high. But I bet out of the four people there - they didn't all go trying to find out if it was true...

mission

so almost 3 days later, all those who voted to leave, are you dumb-asses still happy with your decision?

mission

'you' folks have turned England into a big melting pot of racist, ignorant, xenophobia bunch of mofo's

Millhouse

to be fair it was that before the vote.

Remember, the desi areas also voted overwhelmingly to leave. The desi taxi drivers were worried about the poles too.

IKnowNothing

The fact the germans and french came out with "We never liked you anyway" says it all.

Why stay in an unhappy marriage.

Bring on BoJo and Trump.

iggle

Splendid Isolation

Google it - Nothing new.

mission

yes I know it isn't anything new, except it is now seemingly widespread accepted...that's what I meant by my comment.

Bipat

Not quite true. The Times of India analysed the 'Desi vote'--it was much the same as other British-- In general---the young or wealthy--Remain. The older or less well off--Brexit.

Inselaffen

of course Remain supporters from the home counties with a degree in English Literature will have a perfect understanding of the political and economical implications of voting leave or remain. May just be that they are worried that it will put up the cost of their annual Skiing holiday in Chamonix!

Millhouse

And the desi are mostly in the less-well off category.

Irishbeekeeper

yep
I made it a point to ask ALL of my desi friends there how they voted and almost ALL of them voted leave. Very few voted remain and those few were either in the financial sector and understood what it really would mean to leave or were better off than the rest in that spectrum.
I hereby proclaim that it was the desi vote that swung it all

Millhouse

I think it did.

The irony.

captainflack

Well, since you ask:

Nearly half of Britons believe Vote Leave's false '£350 million a week to the EU' claim | UK Politics | News | The Independent

Nearly half of the British public believe Vote Leave’s claim that the UK pays £350 million a week to the European Union despite the figure being debunked, a poll shows.
Ipsos MORI found that 47 per cent of the public believe that the claim, which has been repeatedly criticised by the UK Statistics Authority, is true.
Just 39 per cent realise the figure, which has formed the centerpiece of the Leave campaign, is false, while 14 per cent do not know.


But the public do not believe Treasury forecasts that households would be £4,300 permanently worse off after Brexit, the same poll shows.


You're most welcome.

captainflack

Honestly, everyone is wasting their time worrying about this now.

I would say now that the UK is simply not going to leave. We bluffed, and they called us. It's game over.

Carswell is still on TV saying we want single market access, but not membership. Not going to happen. It simply is not.

The choice therefore is very simple. Totally in, or totally out. Most of the Tory 'out' side was driven by the mistaken belief that the EU would roll over and do a cusy deal. It won't. It doesn't have to, because if it offers no deal, the UK just stays, because the alternative is just unthinkable. The only thing holding the UK economy together now is the prospect that something, some kind of deal to keep the UK in the single market will be done. If you push the button, it's goodnight forever. The UK economy will be finished.

The EU is not going to be happy with this uncertainty, but after a few months, people will slowly realize that the UK is simply not going to ever push the button and things will stabilize and recover.

As a face saving deal, the UK then might be offered something so that the EU and UK can close the final loose end. This deal would basically to convert the UK's membership to a bilateral deal, kind of like Switzerland has. But it'd be quick, it simply maintains all the UK's obligations and benefits.

The UK would lose its seat at the EU table, so would no longer have input over rules. But it would not be obliged to any further integration, EU army, etc. The UK contribution would be slashed from 350m to 70m (80%!), but the UK would no longer receive any rebate or EU funds back such as CAP, etc. (the smart ones will have noticed, this is exactly net what the UK pays at present, but thanks to the 350m lie, it will be easy for the UK to sell this to the plebs as an 80% cut... kind of hard for the same people who put 350m on the bus to argue that was a lie and we actually only paid 70m anyway).

And everyone will live happily ever after. UK passports won't say European Union on, business carries on, banks stay in London (though London no longer sets the rules), etc.

Remember, the referendum was never about immigration or the single market. It was only about leaving the EU, which the UK in the above solution would have done. The PM would champion it as a victory, he cut the UK's contribution by 80%, maintain single market access and left the EU.

I should also add, for this reason I think GBP and the FTSE have been oversold. They are going to suffer for 6 months, but the longer this goes on, the longer people realize nothing will change, and things will just revert back to where they were beforehand.

Millhouse

I love polls. They are always right