IKnowNothing

Could be worse, could be the Russian "Mega Thugs", although they'll be let in soon too.

Bipat

The Lisbon Treaty and the Charter of Fundamental Rights gives the ECJ power to rule on deportations if they involve a foreigners with UK born children. A recent case involving a Moroccan mother convicted of a crime.

Millhouse

It's worrying...

Pulaski

I can already see the headline "It's The Sun Wot Won It!"

Millhouse

I suspect your "we need to leave" is more do to with your short positions on all major indices and currencies. ...

IKnowNothing

To be fair, The Sun does usually get it right with the feelings of the "man on the street".

DXBtoDOH

The poll at the top of this thread currently stands at 42% remain and 58% leave.

I wonder how close to the final results it will be? If I had the guts I'd wager at 57% leave to 43% remain

I read the Guardian daily and while the columnists are always for Remain (Polly Toynbee alone merits voting for Brexit) in the last 10 or so days there's been a steady increase in articles quietly acknowledging that the Labour heartland isn't coming out for Remain in numbers hoping for.

A growing realisation among many that the end may be coming Toynbee's article today is already sounding like a reluctant admission of defeat for Remain.

I'm wondering if we're starting to really see signs of a majorly shifting tide and that the final result won't be as close as polls predict (or hope for) but we'll see a tsunami? (see above bet).

Millhouse

I've always struggled to see why the labour heartland would vote remain. Labour voters are typically poorer and so are a demographic more likely to be affected by EU migration (assuming this is the underlying reason of the vote).

No polish guy is after my job, he is however ripping my Sun-reading best mate's building business to pieces.

I also agree that #Remain seem to be admiting defeat. Certainly a sudden loss of momentum. When you have to wheel out Gordon Brown (surely only second to a joint Blair-Savil combo in Britian's most hated list) you know you are in trouble.

Millhouse

My uncle was the political editor until about 10 years ago.

DaveLovesDee

Trevor?

Azitwaz

Hear hear

iggle

your maths are incorrect - atm its 61.63% to leave.

Millhouse

yup.

Actually my Dad's cousin. Not an uncle, but still in the millhouse tree.

Millhouse

True or not, this is what the masses are reading on faceache:

Cadbury moved factory to Poland 2011 with EU grant.
Ford Transit moved to Turkey 2013 with EU grant.
Jaguar Land Rover has recently agreed to build a new plant in Slovakia with EU grant, owned by Tata, the same company who have trashed our steel works and emptied the workers pension funds.
Peugeot closed its Ryton (was Rootes Group) plant and moved production to Slovakia with EU grant.
British Army's new Ajax fighting vehicles to be built in SPAIN using SWEDISH steel at the request of the EU to support jobs in Spain with EU grant, rather than Wales.
Dyson gone to Malaysia, with an EU loan.
Crown Closures, Bournemouth (Was METAL BOX), gone to Poland with EU grant, once employed 1,200.
M&S manufacturing gone to far east with EU loan.
Hornby models gone. In fact all toys and models now gone from UK along with the patents all with with EU grants.
Gillette gone to eastern Europe with EU grant.
Texas Instruments Greenock gone to Germany with EU grant.
Indesit at Bodelwyddan Wales gone with EU grant.
Sekisui Alveo said production at its Merthyr Tydfil Industrial Park foam plant will relocate production to Roermond in the Netherlands, with EU funding.
Hoover Merthyr factory moved out of UK to Czech Republic and the Far East by Italian company Candy with EU backing.
ICI integration into Holland’s AkzoNobel with EU bank loan and within days of the merger, several factories in the UK, were closed, eliminating 3,500 jobs
Boots sold to Italians Stefano Pessina who have based their HQ in Switzerland to avoid tax to the tune of £80 million a year, using an EU loan for the purchase.
JDS Uniphase run by two Dutch men, bought up companies in the UK with £20 million in EU 'regeneration' grants, created a pollution nightmare and just closed it all down leaving 1,200 out of work and an environmental clean-up paid for by the UK tax-payer. They also raided the pension fund and drained it dry.
UK airports are owned by a Spanish company.
Scottish Power is owned by a Spanish company.
Most London buses are run by Spanish and German companies.
The Hinkley Point C nuclear power station to be built by French company EDF, part owned by the French government, using cheap Chinese steel that has catastrophically failed in other nuclear installations. Now EDF say the costs will be double or more and it will be very late even if it does come online.
Swindon was once our producer of rail locomotives and rolling stock. Not any more, it's Bombardier in Derby and due to their losses in the aviation market, that could see the end of the British railways manufacturing altogether even though Bombardier had EU grants to keep Derby going which they diverted to their loss-making aviation side in Canada.
39% of British invention patents have been passed to foreign companies, many of them in the EU
The Mini cars that Cameron stood in front of as an example of British engineering, are built by BMW mostly in Holland and Austria. His campaign bus was made in Germany even though we have Plaxton, Optare, Bluebird, Dennis etc., in the UK. The bicycle for the Greens was made in the far east, not by Raleigh UK but then they are probably going to move to the Netherlands too as they have said recently.

Anyone who thinks the EU is good for British industry or any other business simply hasn't paid attention to what has been systematically asset-stripped from the UK. Name me one major technology company still running in the UK, I used to contract out to many, then the work just dried up as they were sold off to companies from France, Germany, Holland, Belgium, etc., and now we don't even teach electronic technology for technicians any more, due to EU regulations.

I haven't detailed our non-existent fishing industry the EU paid to destroy, nor the farmers being paid NOT to produce food they could sell for more than they get paid to do nothing, don't even go there.
I haven't mentioned what it costs us to be asset-stripped like this, nor have I mentioned immigration, nor the risk to our security if control of our armed forces is passed to Brussels or Germany.

Find something that's gone the other way, I've looked and I just can't. If you think the EU is a good idea,
1/ You haven't read the party manifesto of The European Peoples' Party.
2/ You haven't had to deal with EU petty bureaucracy tearing your business down.
3/ You don't think it matters.

Tr1boy

"If voting made a difference, they wouldn't let us do it"