Re: Why do they need SO MUCH information?
Neither the paper Form 47SP nor Form 40SP ask for anything other than previous marriages or de facto partners. The online Form 47SP does ask "Has the applicant been in any previous relationships with persons other than the sponsor?" but if you click on the help symbol it provides the following definition:
Previous relationships For the sponsor Give the name and details of any person the sponsor was in a committed relationship with, including marriages and same or opposite sex de facto relationships. For the applicant Give the name and details of any person the applicant was in a committed relationship with, including marriages and same or opposite sex de facto relationships.
Originally Posted by LaLaLayla
(Post 12379727)
Thanks Pollyanna. I am finding it all incredibly hard. It's not just the Spouse Visa, it's my son's Citizenship as well. His school are getting quite heavy with us, but there's nothing we can do. The Citizenship people have requested that an Australian national with a professional job signs the back of his passport photos, but we don't know any! They have to have known him for a while.
We asked his school teacher from Dubai to sign them, and sent those in, but they won't accept them. Now the Citizenship department are ignoring our emails. If we don't get it sorted soon, we're gonna get a massive bill from the school for fees which we are not in a position to pay. With me not working (another nasty surprise, not getting a bridging visa that allows me to work), we're gonna have to consider going home. Did you receive a new Evidence of Australian Citizenship certificate for your daughter? |
Re: Why do they need SO MUCH information?
Originally Posted by LaLaLayla
(Post 12379713)
Sure, I get that. I was obviously being facetious in my example. Nonetheless, it does seem unnecessarily intrusive.
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Re: Why do they need SO MUCH information?
Originally Posted by BritInParis
(Post 12379731)
For children aged six and over the person signing your son's identity declaration needs to be an Australian citizen, in a specified profession or occupation, who has known your son for at least a year. Had you applied from the UAE before you left then an UAE citizen could also have completed the form.
Did you receive a new Evidence of Australian Citizenship certificate for your daughter? No, not yet. |
Re: Why do they need SO MUCH information?
Originally Posted by BritInParis
(Post 12379731)
For children aged six and over the person signing your son's identity declaration needs to be an Australian citizen, in a specified profession or occupation, who has known your son for at least a year. Had you applied from the UAE before you left then an UAE citizen could also have completed the form. If your son was under six years old then they also wouldn't have to known him for at least a year. Did you receive a new Evidence of Australian Citizenship certificate for your daughter? |
Re: Why do they need SO MUCH information?
Originally Posted by LaLaLayla
(Post 12379881)
It's unfortunate that we don't know anybody like that.
No, not yet.
Originally Posted by moneypenny20
(Post 12380112)
Surely taking all relevant documentation to a JP would work?
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Re: Why do they need SO MUCH information?
Originally Posted by BritInParis
(Post 12380125)
I presume your husband is Australian - he really doesn't know any professional Australian citizens anywhere in the world whatsoever?
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Re: Why do they need SO MUCH information?
Originally Posted by LaLaLayla
(Post 12379881)
It's unfortunate that we don't know anybody like that.
No, not yet. I'm genuinely not having a dig at you, but trying to make the point for others who come after you....... :) |
Re: Why do they need SO MUCH information?
Originally Posted by Tr1boy
(Post 12379809)
If you have an aversion to mind numbing, time wasting bureaucracy and needless grubberment intrusions, Oz definitely isn't your happy place.:lol:
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Re: Why do they need SO MUCH information?
Originally Posted by BritInParis
(Post 12380125)
I presume your husband is Australian - he really doesn't know any professional Australian citizens anywhere in the world whatsoever?
. As an extra point - she has already submitted her initial application for the spouse visa, and (it seems finally) paid for it a few weeks back - how long would they give her to submit 40SP (or the online equivalent) as this thread initially says she is only just completing it now for her husband to sign? I'm only accustomed to the old paper application when 40SP and 47SP were forms that had to be submitted at the start of the process. She has enough problems already without being caught out by submitting forms late...... |
Re: Why do they need SO MUCH information?
Originally Posted by Pollyana
(Post 12380190)
I;ev discovered that some of the most unlikely people are JPs, s its worth the OP investigating all her husbands friends and asscoiates!
As an extra point - she has already submitted her initial application for the spouse visa, and (it seems finally) paid for it a few weeks back - how long would they give her to submit 40SP (or the online equivalent) as this thread initially says she is only just completing it now for her husband to sign? I'm only accustomed to the old paper application when 40SP and 47SP were forms that had to be submitted at the start of the process. She has enough problems already without being caught out by submitting forms late...... In terms of timing it is, of course, advisable to do these as soon as possible but given current processing times for onshore partner applications it's unlikely that any case officer will even be looking at it for at least a year. |
Re: Why do they need SO MUCH information?
Originally Posted by Pollyana
(Post 12380187)
I hate to say it, but if you had gone about this the right way and sorted their citizenship before moving, as well as sorting your own visabefore you became unlawful here without permission to work, life would be a lot simpler now.
I'm genuinely not having a dig at you, but trying to make the point for others who come after you....... :) |
Re: Why do they need SO MUCH information?
Originally Posted by LaLaLayla
(Post 12380251)
You are having a dig, and if I remember rightly you did the same last time I was looking at moving to Australia. I did not come here unlawfully, in spite of what you seem to enjoy telling everybody, it is perfectly acceptable to come here on a Tourist Visa to subsequently apply for a Spouse Visa. I was unexpectedly made redundant from my job in Dubai a few months ago so did not have the luxury of living in Dubai for an extended period of time whilst they sorted out my Spouse Visa and son's Citizenship from offshore.
I must say I don't understand why you had to leave when you lost your job - isn't your husband in Dubai? |
Re: Why do they need SO MUCH information?
Originally Posted by LaLaLayla
(Post 12380251)
You are having a dig, and if I remember rightly you did the same last time I was looking at moving to Australia. I did not come here unlawfully, in spite of what you seem to enjoy telling everybody, it is perfectly acceptable to come here on a Tourist Visa to subsequently apply for a Spouse Visa. I was unexpectedly made redundant from my job in Dubai a few months ago so did not have the luxury of living in Dubai for an extended period of time whilst they sorted out my Spouse Visa and son's Citizenship from offshore.
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Re: Why do they need SO MUCH information?
Originally Posted by LaLaLayla
(Post 12380251)
You are having a dig, and if I remember rightly you did the same last time I was looking at moving to Australia. I did not come here unlawfully, in spite of what you seem to enjoy telling everybody, it is perfectly acceptable to come here on a Tourist Visa to subsequently apply for a Spouse Visa. I was unexpectedly made redundant from my job in Dubai a few months ago so did not have the luxury of living in Dubai for an extended period of time whilst they sorted out my Spouse Visa and son's Citizenship from offshore.
I am actually very sympathetic as you are clearly trying to sort out citizenship and spouse visa issues alone, and while I do not intend to tell you all the reasons WHY I feel sympathetic, as they are not for public consumption, that sympathy is there all the same. That is also why I have continued to try and help - for instance by asking BiP today about the timeline for submitting the 40SP - which you now know does not have to be signed - that fact alone must make things easier with your OH offshore. It is indeed legal to arrive on a tourist visa, with the intent of being a tourist, and change one's mind once onshore, and I have told more than a dozen posters that in my time. What is not quite so sensible is your own route - arriving on a tourist visa with the clear intent of applying onshore for a 820/801. Bringing 2 children who should have travelled as Aussies but instead were holding visas - thus creating you problems further down the line. AND waiting until the very last moment to apply for the 820/801 with the result that you ended up on a bridging visa with no work rights because you became illegal. If you honestly believe that someone who has tried to explain at length such things as the term 'relationship', and the reasons why DIBP need the details of your previous relationships, along with all the info on previous threads, is just 'having a dig' then I am at a loss to know how to actually provide any help and support in the future. |
Re: Why do they need SO MUCH information?
Originally Posted by Pollyana
(Post 12380275)
What is not quite so sensible is your own route - arriving on a tourist visa with the clear intent of applying onshore for a 820/801. Bringing 2 children who should have travelled as Aussies but instead were holding visas - thus creating you problems further down the line. AND waiting until the very last moment to apply for the 820/801 with the result that you ended up on a bridging visa with no work rights because you became illegal
It would have taken me about a year to sort out my son's Citizenship from Dubai. I was told by the Immigration Agent that I had to wait until my Tourist Visa was about to expire before I submitted my application for the Spouse Visa. As it happens, I applied a couple of days before. I am NOT illegal. Please stop saying that. And please stop posting on my threads. Your 'advice' is not helpful. |
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