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#121
British/Irish(ish) Duncs





Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 700
From: Cambridge MA, via Mississippi and Belfast Northern Ireland.







Originally posted by rincewind
Atheist argues against 'Under God' before high court
I wonder what will happen when I get naturalized and I refuse to say "under god?"
Hmmmmm

God knows what the court was thinking
Atheist argues against 'Under God' before high court
I wonder what will happen when I get naturalized and I refuse to say "under god?"
Hmmmmm

God knows what the court was thinking
"I hereby declare, on oath, that I absolutely and entirely renounce and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state, or sovereignty of whom or which I have heretofore been a subject or citizen; that I will support and defend the Constitution and laws of the United States of America against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I will bear arms on behalf of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform noncombatant service in the Armed Forces of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform work of national importance under civilian direction when required by the law; and that I take this obligation freely without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; so help me God."
In some cases, INS allows the oath to be taken without the clauses:
". . .that I will bear arms on behalf of the United States when required by law; that I will perform noncombatant service in the Armed Forces of the United States when required by law. . ."
So not much better. i am waiting to see how Mr Nedows supreme court case goes in which case you could write to USCIS and ask them to allow for an affirmation instead of the oath to God.
Last edited by Duncs; Apr 4th 2004 at 7:36 am.
#122
Originally posted by rincewind
Mom who said she killed on God's orders acquitted
Mom who said she killed on God's orders acquitted
#123
Originally posted by nxylas
She's only following the lead of her President, who bombed an entire country because he thought God told him to.
She's only following the lead of her President, who bombed an entire country because he thought God told him to.
#127
Originally posted by Jabba1
There are many things in the Bible that we do not understand, but this does not (imho) prove that "God" doesn't exist. It simply means that there are things that we don't fully understand, and may never fully understand.
There are many things in the Bible that we do not understand, but this does not (imho) prove that "God" doesn't exist. It simply means that there are things that we don't fully understand, and may never fully understand.
#128
Originally posted by SteveBannister
And you never will until you open your eyes AND your mind.
And you never will until you open your eyes AND your mind.




