Response to me saying universal healthcare is inevitable in the US
Mar 3rd 2008, 8:41 pm
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Re: Response to me saying universal healthcare is inevitable in the US
Mar 3rd 2008, 8:46 pm
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Mar 3rd 2008, 8:52 pm
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Mar 3rd 2008, 9:25 pm
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Mar 3rd 2008, 9:50 pm
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And YOU'RE paying for it!
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Mar 3rd 2008, 10:46 pm
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Re: Response to me saying universal healthcare is inevitable in the US
Only five patients? Pfft, that's socialized medicine for you. Under the US insurance-based system, nurses are much more efficient at killing:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8378620/
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8378620/
http://www.crimelibrary.com/serial_k..._harvey/1.html
My uncle was a deputy at the correctional facility he was being held before and during his trial. My aunt would go in and visit him (weird I know) to try and see what made him tick. He was a big-time weirdo even by criminal standards.
Mar 3rd 2008, 11:10 pm
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Re: Response to me saying universal healthcare is inevitable in the US
OBAMACARE 2008!!!
Mar 4th 2008, 12:56 am
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Re: Response to me saying universal healthcare is inevitable in the US
My wife is trying to get an appointment with one but the best they can do is two months away!
So does this go both ways, i.e. can a vet deliver babies? Perhaps I could call a vet for my wife?
So does this go both ways, i.e. can a vet deliver babies? Perhaps I could call a vet for my wife?
Mar 4th 2008, 2:10 am
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Re: Response to me saying universal healthcare is inevitable in the US
Mar 4th 2008, 2:24 am
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Re: Response to me saying universal healthcare is inevitable in the US
Must be an OB-GYN thing... after my last appointment I was told to set up my appointment for next years annual prod and poke... There was no appointments avail so I now have an appointment that will be 15 months after after the last one and I have to go to the other office my Dr works at which is on the other side of town.
Mar 4th 2008, 2:31 am
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Re: Response to me saying universal healthcare is inevitable in the US
They were still doing vasectomies in the hospital in 1987? Must have been nice.
He was only 50 and did not have to lose weight by any means. This is a man who was still running the London marathon when he was in his forties. He was also a soccer referree at the time. He said he had to wait because they said he had to wait his turn. It wasn't a life threatening disease. He couldn't believe it himself.
He was only 50 and did not have to lose weight by any means. This is a man who was still running the London marathon when he was in his forties. He was also a soccer referree at the time. He said he had to wait because they said he had to wait his turn. It wasn't a life threatening disease. He couldn't believe it himself.
Regardless there is comfort in knowing you will get the treatment even if you have to wait and you will not go bankrupt, verses suffering knowing you have no insurance and cannot afford to pay for the treatment.
Mar 4th 2008, 6:37 am
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Re: Response to me saying universal healthcare is inevitable in the US
My Dutch husband had the snip courtesy of the Netherlands' health care scheme. Very little wait time and I'm pretty sure this was done in a clinic and not a hospital (I was in the US, we were waiting on his visa). Straightforward.
two points:
* there are many universal systems out there to consider, not just the NHS.
* if the ratio of average worker pay to average doctor pay is 1:4 at a minimum, and 1:20 in some cases, then it's unsustainable. Lower the doctor's pay, raise workers' pay, or seriously revisit taxes.
two points:
* there are many universal systems out there to consider, not just the NHS.
* if the ratio of average worker pay to average doctor pay is 1:4 at a minimum, and 1:20 in some cases, then it's unsustainable. Lower the doctor's pay, raise workers' pay, or seriously revisit taxes.
Mar 4th 2008, 6:42 am
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Re: Response to me saying universal healthcare is inevitable in the US
My Dutch husband had the snip courtesy of the Netherlands' health care scheme. Very little wait time and I'm pretty sure this was done in a clinic and not a hospital (I was in the US, we were waiting on his visa). Straightforward.
two points:
* there are many universal systems out there to consider, not just the NHS.
* if the ratio of average worker pay to average doctor pay is 1:4 at a minimum, and 1:20 in some cases, then it's unsustainable. Lower the doctor's pay, raise workers' pay, or seriously revisit taxes.
two points:
* there are many universal systems out there to consider, not just the NHS.
* if the ratio of average worker pay to average doctor pay is 1:4 at a minimum, and 1:20 in some cases, then it's unsustainable. Lower the doctor's pay, raise workers' pay, or seriously revisit taxes.
Several of my nurse-turned-doctor friends in the UK have that they should never have gone over to the dark side, as they'd be earning more money as a nurse, with less responsibility.
(Eventually the Dr salary goes past the nurse salary, but when you considered the 5 or 5 yrs out to retrain, it doesn't make fianancial sense.)
Mar 6th 2008, 6:16 pm
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