A question about Healthcare in the US, please
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Ibuprofen was available by prescription only in the UK until, IIRC, February 1983.
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Also to the point about brand v generic - interesting fact, but generic meds are NOT "pharmaceutically identical", actually. I wasn't aware until only several years ago that in order to be approved as a generic, the new drug has to only be "substantially similar" in pharmacokinetics/dynamics (or "therapeutically equivalent") to the brand name drug. For example, although it's the same compound, it can have different binding agents etc, which have different peak action, onset of action, etc. I used to think patients who said "this brand works better for me" were a bit crazy as it was the same drug, but in fact they were likely right.
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Yup and once Prozac came on the market, everyone followed suit. Then as each of the older drugs went off patent, more new serotonin drugs came on the market.
Personally I think the very old antidepressants work better especially for younger people such as the Tricyclic antidepressants (Amitriptyline or Elival) but doctor seldom prescribe them anymore except for sleep (not addictive like the newer sleep drugs like Ambien, can take them forever, and often works better). In fact there have been studies that Tricyclic antidepressants are better than placebos.
Although as an antidepressant, it is supposed to be taken 3 times per day but it works for some people just before bedtime at a very low dosage (5-10 mg) and it is dirt cheap.
I suspect why Tricyclic antidepressants seem to work for some people is that it can possibly turn off a spinning brain when going to sleep and a person can wake up refreshed. The most common side effect is dry mouth and depending on your metabolism, it can possibly cause tiredness. Some people in the 1970s had good luck with them
Personally I think the very old antidepressants work better especially for younger people such as the Tricyclic antidepressants (Amitriptyline or Elival) but doctor seldom prescribe them anymore except for sleep (not addictive like the newer sleep drugs like Ambien, can take them forever, and often works better). In fact there have been studies that Tricyclic antidepressants are better than placebos.
Although as an antidepressant, it is supposed to be taken 3 times per day but it works for some people just before bedtime at a very low dosage (5-10 mg) and it is dirt cheap.
I suspect why Tricyclic antidepressants seem to work for some people is that it can possibly turn off a spinning brain when going to sleep and a person can wake up refreshed. The most common side effect is dry mouth and depending on your metabolism, it can possibly cause tiredness. Some people in the 1970s had good luck with them
2. Tricyclics have a very narrow therapeutic window between therapeutic and toxic levels.
3. Tricyclics are easily abused and often fatal if overdose is taken. Very difficult to treat.
It is a shame, as they are very effective and cheap, as you mentioned.
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.... Also to the point about brand v generic - interesting fact, but generic meds are NOT "pharmaceutically identical", actually. I wasn't aware until only several years ago that in order to be approved as a generic, the new drug has to only be "substantially similar" in pharmacokinetics/dynamics (or "therapeutically equivalent") to the brand name drug. For example, although it's the same compound, it can have different binding agents etc, which have different peak action, onset of action, etc. I used to think patients who said "this brand works better for me" were a bit crazy as it was the same drug, but in fact they were likely right.
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1. Antidepressants that need to be taken 2 or 3 times per day are much less effective overall as people simply don't adhere to the therapy.
2. Tricyclics have a very narrow therapeutic window between therapeutic and toxic levels.
3. Tricyclics are easily abused and often fatal if overdose is taken. Very difficult to treat.
It is a shame, as they are very effective and cheap, as you mentioned.
2. Tricyclics have a very narrow therapeutic window between therapeutic and toxic levels.
3. Tricyclics are easily abused and often fatal if overdose is taken. Very difficult to treat.
It is a shame, as they are very effective and cheap, as you mentioned.
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The most common medication that is noticeably different are antifungal medications. Some are very greasy and others are dry and then you have sprays and powders but they all have the same active ingredients but different binding agents or inactive ingredients.
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I don't know many who do this - sometimes we write the brand name, but the prescription itself requires you to check "no brand substitution" if you won't accept the generic, and that's a rare day. In fact, I only ever use it for immunosuppression or thyroid meds where the absorption varies between brands. In fact, use of generics helps both prescribers and patients, because 100% of the medications they don't take, don't work - and many, many people can barely afford the $4/month generic meds, let alone the brand names. Prescribing decisions are often based on what the patient can/will afford to take, rather than the most efficacious med for them.
Also to the point about brand v generic - interesting fact, but generic meds are NOT "pharmaceutically identical", actually. I wasn't aware until only several years ago that in order to be approved as a generic, the new drug has to only be "substantially similar" in pharmacokinetics/dynamics (or "therapeutically equivalent") to the brand name drug. For example, although it's the same compound, it can have different binding agents etc, which have different peak action, onset of action, etc. I used to think patients who said "this brand works better for me" were a bit crazy as it was the same drug, but in fact they were likely right.
Also to the point about brand v generic - interesting fact, but generic meds are NOT "pharmaceutically identical", actually. I wasn't aware until only several years ago that in order to be approved as a generic, the new drug has to only be "substantially similar" in pharmacokinetics/dynamics (or "therapeutically equivalent") to the brand name drug. For example, although it's the same compound, it can have different binding agents etc, which have different peak action, onset of action, etc. I used to think patients who said "this brand works better for me" were a bit crazy as it was the same drug, but in fact they were likely right.
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Back to the OP:
My OH has Crohn's. We are insured through his employer and so far he has had no problem getting and maintaining the same treatment routine as he had before we moved here.
We had a make or break moment when his company said that the health insurance wouldn't kick in until 6 months into his contract. We looked into private expat insurance (almost no one would offer any coverage in the US. The ones that did wouldn't cover anything related to the Crohn's and quoted about GBP 1000 per month for coverage). He then thought he'd 'just pay for treatment' out of pocket until the insurance kicked in. Then we found out that the infusions he has every 6 weeks cost $12,000 a pop. I then put my foot down and he told them that he couldn't accept the position unless he could be insured from the outset. Fortunately they said yes.
He finds the standard of care way higher than back home. Feel free to message me privately if you want more details of treatments etc.
My OH has Crohn's. We are insured through his employer and so far he has had no problem getting and maintaining the same treatment routine as he had before we moved here.
We had a make or break moment when his company said that the health insurance wouldn't kick in until 6 months into his contract. We looked into private expat insurance (almost no one would offer any coverage in the US. The ones that did wouldn't cover anything related to the Crohn's and quoted about GBP 1000 per month for coverage). He then thought he'd 'just pay for treatment' out of pocket until the insurance kicked in. Then we found out that the infusions he has every 6 weeks cost $12,000 a pop. I then put my foot down and he told them that he couldn't accept the position unless he could be insured from the outset. Fortunately they said yes.
He finds the standard of care way higher than back home. Feel free to message me privately if you want more details of treatments etc.
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Yeah, well I agree, that's daft. I have no particular concerns about medically valid decisions, but prescribing high cost drugs/ treatments is, IMO quite rightly, being clamped down on, when there are low(er) cost alternatives that are either generics, or similar low-cost drugs that have a similar likelihood of being effective.
So given the 60 mile journey each way, that was nearly 6 hours of time to tell us exactly what we already knew. And, having exactly the same condition, do not agree with the suggested long term treatment plan of "straightening the eye" which is absolutely pointless when you have no central vision in that eye. She at least admitted it was for "cosmetic reasons only" which - again in my experience - would actually be extremely detrimental to an eye/brain trying to see the bloody thing. But she's a doctor with perfect eyesight and I'm not her patient with the same condition so WTF do I know.
Yeah, we have really crap insurance at the moment, as I'm aware I've bleated about more than once. And this is a renowned childrens' hospital apparently.
BTW she also spotted a camouflaged animal at LA Zoo long before any of the normal sighted members of our family did, and spots planes in the sky with far more ease than I. I think she'll be ok.
Last edited by GeoffM; Jan 2nd 2015 at 4:32 am.