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TimFountain Dec 19th 2008 2:56 pm

Oh, you have a green card? Please face the camera..... Oh and welcome home
 
Haven't we been fingerprinted, photographed, background checked and medical'ed enough. The DHS is totally out of control.

http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-10126625-38.html

Grr, I am getting pissed off with this. Land of the free my arse, as Jim Royle would say....

Ridski Dec 19th 2008 5:30 pm

Re: Oh, you have a green card? Please face the camera..... Oh and welcome home
 

Originally Posted by TimFountain (Post 7082599)
Haven't we been fingerprinted, photographed, background checked and medical'ed enough. The DHS is totally out of control.

http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-10126625-38.html

Grr, I am getting pissed off with this. Land of the free my arse, as Jim Royle would say....

Oh, FFS...

:curse:

Rete Dec 19th 2008 5:34 pm

Re: Oh, you have a green card? Please face the camera..... Oh and welcome home
 
Definitely a crock. You have given another fingerprints during the course of obtaining the residency status. If they had a data base, they wouldn't need another set.

Brit3964 Dec 19th 2008 6:02 pm

Re: Oh, you have a green card? Please face the camera..... Oh and welcome home
 

Originally Posted by TimFountain (Post 7082599)
Haven't we been fingerprinted, photographed, background checked and medical'ed enough. The DHS is totally out of control.

http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-10126625-38.html

Grr, I am getting pissed off with this. Land of the free my arse, as Jim Royle would say....

I agree completely. I posted in another thread about this started by Folinskyinla:

http://britishexpats.com/forum/showt...50#post7083050

I also assume once they start the exit checks, you'll have to comply with that as well. The only way any potential terrorist could possibly bypass this new system was if they kidnapped you while abroad, had plastic surgery to look like you and scalped your fingerprint and grafted it onto theirs! That's quite a lot to do, even for the most committed terrorist.

There must be a little DHS thinktank somewhere whose only purpose in life is to dream up all the possible ways to enter the country via fraudulent methods and ways to stop it, no matter how absurd it seems.

Another issue is, what line will you use to enter as an LPR in future? The USC/LPR or the visitor lines? Given currently all the equipment needed for US-VISIT is on the visitor lines, I guess you might have a long wait to enter the country you live in.

meauxna Dec 19th 2008 6:28 pm

Re: Oh, you have a green card? Please face the camera..... Oh and welcome home
 

Originally Posted by Brit3964 (Post 7083152)
There must be a little DHS thinktank somewhere whose only purpose in life is to dream up all the possible ways to enter the country via fraudulent methods and ways to stop it, no matter how absurd it seems.

After ignoring the obvious 'walking over the border'. :blink:

Brit3964 Dec 19th 2008 6:43 pm

Re: Oh, you have a green card? Please face the camera..... Oh and welcome home
 

Originally Posted by meauxna (Post 7083213)
After ignoring the obvious 'walking over the border'. :blink:

Yes exactly! :rofl: I'm so pissed by this obvious DUMB expansion by the DHS, I just sent emails to my Senator and Congressman saying what a load of s*it this idea is.

robin1234 Dec 19th 2008 7:19 pm

Re: Oh, you have a green card? Please face the camera..... Oh and welcome home
 

Originally Posted by meauxna (Post 7083213)
After ignoring the obvious 'walking over the border'. :blink:

I remember about 20 years ago visiting a (unstaffed) state park in northern Vermont - Lake Something-or-other, just south of the Canadian border. We took the trail map, and started out on the circular trail. About half way around, I realised that we were very close to the Canadian border although that wasn't shown on the trail map. I bushwacked off the trail, and, as I has estimated, got to the border swathe in about 100 yards. Just for the heck of it, I crossed back and forth into Canada a couple of times.

I realise that the US Border Patrol is more active now in randomly stopping cars in the border regions of the USA, but I assume it would still be pretty easy to rendezvous with someone who'd crossed illegally in a place like that, and drive them out of the border region.

I wouldn't do it of course, but I'll bet some folks do..

scrubbedexpat099 Dec 19th 2008 7:36 pm

Re: Oh, you have a green card? Please face the camera..... Oh and welcome home
 

Originally Posted by Brit3964 (Post 7083267)
Yes exactly! :rofl: I'm so pissed by this obvious DUMB expansion by the DHS, I just sent emails to my Senator and Congressman saying what a load of s*it this idea is.

All Governments do the same, go after the easy targets.

Patrick Hasler Dec 19th 2008 8:36 pm

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Originally Posted by robin1234 (Post 7083380)
I remember about 20 years ago visiting a (unstaffed) state park in northern Vermont - Lake Something-or-other, just south of the Canadian border. We took the trail map, and started out on the circular trail. About half way around, I realised that we were very close to the Canadian border although that wasn't shown on the trail map. I bushwacked off the trail, and, as I has estimated, got to the border swathe in about 100 yards. Just for the heck of it, I crossed back and forth into Canada a couple of times.

I realise that the US Border Patrol is more active now in randomly stopping cars in the border regions of the USA, but I assume it would still be pretty easy to rendezvous with someone who'd crossed illegally in a place like that, and drive them out of the border region.

I wouldn't do it of course, but I'll bet some folks do..

WOW ! ..... Just imagine if the brakes didn't work on my lorry and I overshot the exit for Ben & Jerry's in St Albans :o ... I could end up across the border myself :)

tonrob Dec 19th 2008 8:42 pm

Re: Oh, you have a green card? Please face the camera..... Oh and welcome home
 

Originally Posted by robin1234 (Post 7083380)
I remember about 20 years ago visiting a (unstaffed) state park in northern Vermont - Lake Something-or-other, just south of the Canadian border. We took the trail map, and started out on the circular trail. About half way around, I realised that we were very close to the Canadian border although that wasn't shown on the trail map. I bushwacked off the trail, and, as I has estimated, got to the border swathe in about 100 yards. Just for the heck of it, I crossed back and forth into Canada a couple of times.

I realise that the US Border Patrol is more active now in randomly stopping cars in the border regions of the USA, but I assume it would still be pretty easy to rendezvous with someone who'd crossed illegally in a place like that, and drive them out of the border region.

I wouldn't do it of course, but I'll bet some folks do..


I visited Big Bend National Park, where it would have been possible to roll up your trousers and literally paddle through the Rio Grande to and from Mexico. There was even a little boat where you could pay a guy to row you the few yards to the Mexican side to where you could hike to a nearby place to eat.

Brit3964 Dec 19th 2008 9:02 pm

Re: Oh, you have a green card? Please face the camera..... Oh and welcome home
 

Originally Posted by Boiler (Post 7083418)
All Governments do the same, go after the easy targets.

Yeah, pick off the low hanging fruit first.

Octang Frye Dec 19th 2008 9:09 pm

Re: Oh, you have a green card? Please face the camera..... Oh and welcome home
 
I'm surprised at the attitudes of some of you.
If you have done nothing wrong, you have nothing to hide...

What's wrong with registration and licensing of people? That's what you always ask me.

NC Penguin Dec 19th 2008 9:43 pm

Re: Oh, you have a green card? Please face the camera..... Oh and welcome home
 

Originally Posted by Rete (Post 7083078)
Definitely a crock. You have given another fingerprints during the course of obtaining the residency status. If they had a data base, they wouldn't need another set.

Instead of wasting the money spent on re-fingerprinting and re-photographing GC holders, the money could be directed towards having a shareable database across different government agencies. Unfortunately, I know this is probably a pipe dream because I know how governments work (or not as the case may be).

CarrotCruncher Dec 19th 2008 9:45 pm

Re: Oh, you have a green card? Please face the camera..... Oh and welcome home
 

Originally Posted by Octang Frye (Post 7083809)
I'm surprised at the attitudes of some of you.
If you have done nothing wrong, you have nothing to hide...

What's wrong with registration and licensing of people? That's what you always ask me.

Just about everything is wrong with it, IMO.:huh:

Steerpike Dec 19th 2008 9:49 pm

Re: Oh, you have a green card? Please face the camera..... Oh and welcome home
 

Originally Posted by Octang Frye (Post 7083809)
I'm surprised at the attitudes of some of you.
If you have done nothing wrong, you have nothing to hide...

What's wrong with registration and licensing of people? That's what you always ask me.

I don't give a hoot if they photograph, fingerprint, or otherwise monitor my entry and exit. I'm much more concerned about identity theft, which is rampant because of how commercial entities (banks, insurance companies, etc) use and share your SSN and other data, a practice which the 'freedom loving' Republicans won't curtail because it may stop bank 'x' making a profit.

I was recently asked for my SSN when renewing my homeowners insurance - insurance I've had for 12 years already. When I challenged their right to have my SSN, they said, "yes, you have a right to withhold it, and we have a right to deny your insurance". So for whatever reason, my homeowner's insurance company has my SSN data.


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