New consoles
Nov 13th 2006, 5:08 pm
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Re: New consoles
Originally Posted by anotherlimey
Have you learnt nothing from your time on the Internet? 
and I thought it was just for fun 
Nov 13th 2006, 5:13 pm
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Re: New consoles
...having...trouble...refusing...to...be...drawn.. .
Them thar's fightin' words.
Got it from here. I'm extremely sorry to relied on a patently unreliable source. I lose at the internet. Anyway, the point I was making remains.
...which is why I qualified it with "probably".
Originally Posted by USBound
wow you're well into the PR aint ya.
1. it has 1xHDMI see
Specs
Specs
2. "most powerful" is a VERY misleading statement...
Nov 13th 2006, 5:18 pm
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Re: New consoles
Originally Posted by Hiro11
...which is why I qualified it with "probably".
Nov 13th 2006, 5:20 pm
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Re: New consoles
Originally Posted by BritGuyTN
Yeah I know the res - my 18 month old radeon and 18 month old athlon 64 both do far cry at 1920 x 1200 (just about)
I know this is a console thread - I started it, I am definitely into the gameplay aspect of consoles, I was merely highlighting that the marketing that sony has put out implying that the PS3 is the best thing available period is wrong....
I know this is a console thread - I started it, I am definitely into the gameplay aspect of consoles, I was merely highlighting that the marketing that sony has put out implying that the PS3 is the best thing available period is wrong....
pc's are still WAY behind 360 & ps3, we're probably talking 2 more years before a $400 pc comes anywhere near the currently $400 360 unit for shear processing power and gpu throughput.
even a $5k pc falls short on the processing power.
Nov 13th 2006, 5:26 pm
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Re: New consoles
Originally Posted by BritGuyTN
Yeah I know the res - my 18 month old radeon and 18 month old athlon 64 both do far cry at 1920 x 1200 (just about)
I know this is a console thread - I started it, I am definitely into the gameplay aspect of consoles, I was merely highlighting that the marketing that sony has put out implying that the PS3 is the best thing available period is wrong....
I know this is a console thread - I started it, I am definitely into the gameplay aspect of consoles, I was merely highlighting that the marketing that sony has put out implying that the PS3 is the best thing available period is wrong....
Even if sony can truthfully say it is the best thing available the PC will soon win back that crown due to it's upgrade capability, with quad core around the corner and SLI/Xfire graphics configurations.
Nov 13th 2006, 5:30 pm
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Re: New consoles
Originally Posted by dan_alford
The point is if you have a powerfull pc gaming rig there is little point in buying a powerfull console gaming to play games of the same genres. The Wii is the lowest spec of all the machines but it is going to feature unique gameplay that you will not get anywhere else.
Even if sony can truthfully say it is the best thing available the PC will soon win back that crown due to it's upgrade capability, with quad core around the corner and SLI/Xfire graphics configurations.
Even if sony can truthfully say it is the best thing available the PC will soon win back that crown due to it's upgrade capability, with quad core around the corner and SLI/Xfire graphics configurations.
Completely agree, i'm looking forward to looking like a complete nonce prancing around the living room with a Wee controller...
Nov 13th 2006, 5:34 pm
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Re: New consoles
Originally Posted by BritGuyTN
Completely agree, i'm looking forward to looking like a complete nonce prancing around the living room with a Wee controller...
Nov 13th 2006, 5:38 pm
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Re: New consoles
Originally Posted by USBound
I agree that sony's marketting is simply bad... but its doing its job and getting people buzzed.
pc's are still WAY behind 360 & ps3, we're probably talking 2 more years before a $400 pc comes anywhere near the currently $400 360 unit for shear processing power and gpu throughput.
even a $5k pc falls short on the processing power.
pc's are still WAY behind 360 & ps3, we're probably talking 2 more years before a $400 pc comes anywhere near the currently $400 360 unit for shear processing power and gpu throughput.
even a $5k pc falls short on the processing power.
Whats the explanation if they have so much processing power and gpu thoughput? I'm interested to hear it from a programmer perspective....
And i really think the $5000 claim cannot be backed up - not with quad core cpus and dual latest gen SLI graphics...
Nov 13th 2006, 5:45 pm
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Re: New consoles
Originally Posted by USBound
this isn't the case and the fact that you think it is the case means Sony's PR campaign is working.
HD for games is possible with the new machines only in 720p. The hardware itself CAN output 1080p BUT the pixel throughput required for a 1080p game is double that for a 720p game. Many games right now struggle with running in 720p. There will be VERY few games actually running at 1080p.... I'd hazzard a guess that those we do see will be puzzle games or VERY VERY simple games.
Don't be expecting Ratchet & Clank in 1080p anytime soon.
Further - 360 can do HD exactly the same as sony can... its just that Sony advertise dreams, MS advertise reality; I prefer reality.
HD for games is possible with the new machines only in 720p. The hardware itself CAN output 1080p BUT the pixel throughput required for a 1080p game is double that for a 720p game. Many games right now struggle with running in 720p. There will be VERY few games actually running at 1080p.... I'd hazzard a guess that those we do see will be puzzle games or VERY VERY simple games.
Don't be expecting Ratchet & Clank in 1080p anytime soon.
Further - 360 can do HD exactly the same as sony can... its just that Sony advertise dreams, MS advertise reality; I prefer reality.
Seeing this is a public forum, and we all know who you work for, do you think Sony will be happy at you slagging their new baby off?
Nov 13th 2006, 5:56 pm
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Re: New consoles
Originally Posted by Big D
Seeing this is a public forum, and we all know who you work for, do you think Sony will be happy at you slagging their new baby off?
Nov 13th 2006, 6:02 pm
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Re: New consoles
Originally Posted by BritGuyTN
OK, a $800 PC (not a $400 admittedly) can easily do 1080p in the latest games, but you said the consoles have problems pushing 1080p?
Whats the explanation if they have so much processing power and gpu thoughput? I'm interested to hear it from a programmer perspective....
And i really think the $5000 claim cannot be backed up - not with quad core cpus and dual latest gen SLI graphics...
Whats the explanation if they have so much processing power and gpu thoughput? I'm interested to hear it from a programmer perspective....
And i really think the $5000 claim cannot be backed up - not with quad core cpus and dual latest gen SLI graphics...
further, a quad core cpu is still 2 less cores than 360 and 5 "cores" less than ps3, further to that a pc cpu is massively hampered by backwards compatibility meaning its silicon has a large amount of "VERY last gen" hardware to pander to.
in terms of RAW number crunching, the ps3 spe's will beat almost anything on the market right now.. I say almost only because some large scale solutions are obviously faster; home pc's are not.
Nov 13th 2006, 6:16 pm
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Re: New consoles
I have been trying to follow this thread so I can understand the subject better but yet again I am afraid it is so way over my head
Nov 13th 2006, 6:18 pm
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Re: New consoles
Originally Posted by USBound
pushing 1080p and processing power are not the same thing...1080p is produced by separate hardware and NOT the cpu. Further those pc's are NOT limited to a specific framerate, consoles are and 1080p is 30fps... that a pc costing $800 can output 1080p isn't an issue, that it can output it at playable levels definitely isn't a given.
further, a quad core cpu is still 2 less cores than 360 and 5 "cores" less than ps3, further to that a pc cpu is massively hampered by backwards compatibility meaning its silicon has a large amount of "VERY last gen" hardware to pander to.
in terms of RAW number crunching, the ps3 spe's will beat almost anything on the market right now.. I say almost only because some large scale solutions are obviously faster; home pc's are not.
further, a quad core cpu is still 2 less cores than 360 and 5 "cores" less than ps3, further to that a pc cpu is massively hampered by backwards compatibility meaning its silicon has a large amount of "VERY last gen" hardware to pander to.
in terms of RAW number crunching, the ps3 spe's will beat almost anything on the market right now.. I say almost only because some large scale solutions are obviously faster; home pc's are not.
(BTW when ever someone asks me "who is going to win the next gen war?" I respond IBM )One of the interesting ( and scary) things about PC's now is that the GPU's are getting more powerfull than CPU's. This is in part to not being tied back to the older X86 spec. FoldingAtHome did a recent test with GPU's that showed 30x performance over a CPU. The new nVidia 8 series has been opened up to allow the use of its GPU as a processing unit.
Nov 13th 2006, 6:21 pm
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Re: New consoles
lol - this falls right into where I was about to go next.
the architechture put forward in the cell processor is simple. Produce something that does a job quick, is limited in WHAT it can do and use many of them.
gpu's run shaders, many of them, on small elements on the main chip.
sound familiar?
the architechture put forward in the cell processor is simple. Produce something that does a job quick, is limited in WHAT it can do and use many of them.
gpu's run shaders, many of them, on small elements on the main chip.
sound familiar?
Nov 13th 2006, 6:23 pm
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Re: New consoles
Originally Posted by irnbru4u
I have been trying to follow this thread so I can understand the subject better but yet again I am afraid it is so way over my head
360 = Still powerfull and graphically impressive. Mid range pricing - also "established" e.g. one year old. Built in DVD HD
Wii = Graphically very similar to Gamecube. Big selling point is unique motion sensing, spatially aware controller, allowing for more "human" games, e.g. In tennis, you swing the controller as if it was a racket.
PC = Easilly upgradeable and best choice for certain types of games ( MMORPG's ( World of Warcraft), Strategy ( Sims, Sim City etc) and FPS (Quake, Doom style games). Technology is updated several times a year.