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Yosser Feb 1st 2005 10:58 am

Needy Generation...
 
Don't know if its just me, but has anyone else noticed just how bloody needy the younger generation of yanks are!

For example, I have worked for my present company for 2 years and I was thinking the other day just how many young guys 20,21+ years old that we have gone through expecting to make a fast buck, off the top of my head we have had about 20 people. They all expect to be earning top dollar for the lower rung type of work, but instead of working hard, keeping their heads down etc, nearly all of them expected a pay rise in less that 8 weeks.

Second example, I was in Houston all last week, took 2 - 21 year old helpers with me, they bitched about meal allowance ($40 a day) they bitched about the hotel room (not having a hot tub by the pool) called me a tight arse 'cause we booked into a $70.00 a night hotel, bitched about how much they were earning per hour (they were bloody well on time and a half!).

To top it off they bitched about how tired they were because they only had 7 hours sleep one night. One of the helpers has a brand new truck, a jet ski, and a 4x4 quad all paid for by mummy and daddy but was stressed because his girlfriend wanted a $400 ring for her birthday.

What the f@ck! when I was 20 I was earning 40 squid a week on YTS and had trouble paying my car loan on a 1988 ford transit.

Manc Feb 1st 2005 11:08 am

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See my other posts about this nation raising a generation of ponces.

Bob Feb 1st 2005 12:28 pm

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bunch of nonces...i'd be happy with a job, even a shite one right now...

Englishmum Feb 1st 2005 12:34 pm

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Originally Posted by Manc
See my other posts about this nation raising a generation of ponces.

Which posts?

Bob Feb 1st 2005 12:56 pm

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Originally Posted by Englishmum
Which posts?

there's a few of 'em :D

Manc Feb 1st 2005 1:01 pm

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Originally Posted by Englishmum
Which posts?

remember those 16 and 17 year olds running in and out of your house all weekend?

Englishmum Feb 1st 2005 1:54 pm

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Originally Posted by Manc
remember those 16 and 17 year olds running in and out of your house all weekend?


Oh those little gits?

One of the not-so-slim boys dived onto our futon in the basement and has broken the slats. I only discovered that today....and I was about to phone his parents when I heard the boy is currently at the emergency room as he jumped out of his window for a prank this evening and has a suspected broken leg.

I also found they'd hidden a lot of empty bottles of Corona and cans of Bud in a rucksack in the basement LOL!

It's also possible that quite a few of my son's X-Box games have been nicked....but it's his responsibility, I've also discovered that some of the kids he 'invited' into our house he didn't really know (friends of friends) and I guess may have appropriated the games. I suspect he's learned a valuable lesson but he's keeping quiet and doesn't want to discuss it.

The Chinese girl who was definitely the worse for wear apparently managed to conceal it from her parents...I was going to phone them to collect her (I didn't want to drive her home and have her puking in the car....had that done to me in my old Cortina donkeys years ago and it's *not* nice) but all the Chinese girls begged me not to phone them (and I know just how strict some of the Asian parents are....in Singapore the Chinese parents would frequently cane their children for mild misdemeanors) so Lisa was carted off to her friend's house a few doors down to sober up.

Yeah.... I do agree Manc, most of the kids over here really are mollycoddled....if my son only knew the things his mum got up to at his age.... ;) :D

Bob Feb 1st 2005 2:08 pm

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Originally Posted by Englishmum
I also found they'd hidden a lot of empty bottles of Corona and cans of Bud in a rucksack in the basement LOL!

nice...all those bottle return deposits :D

AdobePinon Feb 2nd 2005 2:51 am

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Originally Posted by Yosser
For example, I have worked for my present company for 2 years and I was thinking the other day just how many young guys 20,21+ years old that we have gone through expecting to make a fast buck, off the top of my head we have had about 20 people.

Unfortunately the first thing they get taught in college is that their starting salary is going to be $120k to $150k. :rolleyes:

adeshell Feb 2nd 2005 2:57 am

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Originally Posted by AdobePinon
Unfortunately the first thing they get taught in college is that their starting salary is going to be $120k to $150k. :rolleyes:

Then find out that there are no jobs, every man and his dog has a Bachelors nowadays anyway so it doesn't mean anything or the job requires a Masters now because everyone has a bachelors and they need someone 'better qualified''.

Bob Feb 2nd 2005 4:11 am

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Originally Posted by adeshell
Then find out that there are no jobs, every man and his dog has a Bachelors nowadays anyway so it doesn't mean anything or the job requires a Masters now because everyone has a bachelors and they need someone 'better qualified''.

old boys network...either that, of have someone from you uni in all the top spots...works for Brunel elite...head designers at virgin, BA, Dyson...loads of places except black and decker after a student screwed them royally over a patent :D

BritGuyTN Feb 2nd 2005 7:04 am

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Originally Posted by AdobePinon
Unfortunately the first thing they get taught in college is that their starting salary is going to be $120k to $150k. :rolleyes:

yeah - this is hilarious :D

one of my friends is currently doing his MBA - he pulled out the statistic the other day about the average salary for people graduating where he is studying is 75k

he currently earns around 40 i think and he really thinks he will get a magic 85% payrise

what he has maybe failed to consider is that many of the people going into the course are in middle management and already earning 75k....

if he gets it then all the best, but it seems people have huge (misguided) expectations

this is probably the reason why i find most people under 30 seem to be up to their eyebrows in debt trying to live a lifestyle beyond their means with the help of credit cards and 5 year car loans

Englishmum Feb 2nd 2005 8:45 am

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Originally Posted by Bob
old boys network...either that, of have someone from you uni in all the top spots...works for Brunel elite...head designers at virgin, BA, Dyson...loads of places except black and decker after a student screwed them royally over a patent :D

He he, my daughter is at Brunel University.....pity she's not doing an engineering or technical degree though....

My husband sometimes recruits project managers from outside the company and he says he's not been that impressed when he interviews some of the applicants with Masters from the Ivy League colleges, they don't seem to have the drive and commitment that the applicants from less elite institutions have.

(Here's me hoping that on the latest 'Apprentice' series the team members who didn't go to college beat the 'smart Alecs' LOL!).

Bob Feb 2nd 2005 10:19 am

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Originally Posted by Englishmum
He he, my daughter is at Brunel University.....pity she's not doing an engineering or technical degree though....

.

Brunel...very practical sense of crush the life out of you with shear weight of work, and you will work 10 times harder than someone at bournmouth and your first year projects will be better than anyone elses' final year project...
but black and decker was good, student designed a part that houses a motor for a drill, but before he left after his placement, he sold the design to bosch for £30K, B&D couldn't sue because he was a student and was under casual employment, also they never had him sign a confidentiality agreement...last time they made that mistake, and last time they employed a Bruenl student :D

Brunel also good at sports, very good at law, one of the top international law and management courses...which surprised me *lol*

Dan725 Feb 2nd 2005 1:43 pm

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Needy young generation? More like needy every genereation if you ask me, bunch of ponces propping up a futre bunch of ponces :) All buying crap they don't need, getting into debt and pretending they have really important jobs with complicated titles that just mean "office clerk" or "security guard"!

psb182 Feb 2nd 2005 1:55 pm

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Originally Posted by Dan725
Needy young generation? More like needy every genereation if you ask me, bunch of ponces propping up a futre bunch of ponces :) All buying crap they don't need, getting into debt and pretending they have really important jobs with complicated titles that just mean "office clerk" or "security guard"!


Dan you are on the ball with that comment.....a "TITLE" over here means a lot to people......and I know guys who's wives are on the qvc channel all fuggin day buying junk on credit cards that will eventually catch up with them and drag them into the gutter.......imo if you can't write a check then you can't afford it......thats not saying everyone is irresponsible with credit cards but many have balances that will take as long as your mtg to pay off......give it a few years there will be auctions everywhere homes on the chopping block left right and center

Perfumdiva1 Feb 2nd 2005 2:21 pm

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Originally Posted by psb182
Dan you are on the ball with that comment.....a "TITLE" over here means a lot to people......and I know guys who's wives are on the qvc channel all fuggin day buying junk on credit cards that will eventually catch up with them and drag them into the gutter.......imo if you can't write a check then you can't afford it......thats not saying everyone is irresponsible with credit cards but many have balances that will take as long as your mtg to pay off......give it a few years there will be auctions everywhere homes on the chopping block left right and center


You are so right..

It is definately a "must have life style here" to impress the neighbours

My son will have his drivers license in the summer, and we plan on buying him something safe and not outrageously priced.

But, when his friends are having new BMW's, Escaldes, Mustangs, Mercedes, and belive me, I am not joking, they all think it is quite normal

We are British, and my husbands first car was a 50 quid mini which he rebuilt, and mine was a mega old MG Midget, but we were so proud of them.

Me thinks, he is gonna be seriously disappointed

Had to laugh, he asked if Grandpa could sent over his spare Jag for him to drive..

Bless

Innocence is bliss

Tami2 Feb 2nd 2005 2:28 pm

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Originally Posted by Perfumdiva1
You are so right..

It is definately a "must have life style here" to impress the neighbours

My son will have his drivers license in the summer, and we plan on buying him something safe and not outrageously priced.

But, when his friends are having new BMW's, Escaldes, Mustangs, Mercedes, and belive me, I am not joking, they all think it is quite normal

We are British, and my husbands first car was a 50 quid mini which he rebuilt, and mine was a mega old MG Midget, but we were so proud of them.

Me thinks, he is gonna be seriously disappointed

Had to laugh, he asked if Grandpa could sent over his spare Jag for him to drive..

Bless

Innocence is bliss

I understand what you're saying about the status symbols, and I agree, my first car (in 1979) was a 1972 Cutlass Supreme...but

As parents, aren't we all working hard so that we can give our kids a good life; maybe give them more or better than we had growing up. My husband was DIRT poor growing up in Iran and he has worked his @ss off, getting his PhD here in the states, working for 16 years for the big oil companies and now that he finally has his own firm and is doing well, who's to tell him he can't give his kids the good life. I guess you just have to be careful that they don't forget where it all comes from and how hard Dad had to work to get there. :rolleyes:

Bob Feb 2nd 2005 2:36 pm

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Originally Posted by Perfumdiva1
We are British, and my husbands first car was a 50 quid mini which he rebuilt, and mine was a mega old MG Midget, but we were so proud of them.

better than my crappy renault 11 then :D
that thing was a tank, but had a massive boot, very handy for lugging shite to uni :)

Perfumdiva1 Feb 2nd 2005 2:37 pm

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Originally Posted by Tami2
I understand what you're saying about the status symbols, and I agree, my first car (in 1979) was a 1972 Cutlass Supreme...but

As parents, aren't we all working hard so that we can give our kids a good life; maybe give them more or better than we had growing up. My husband was DIRT poor growing up in Iran and he has worked his @ss off, getting his PhD here in the states, working for 16 years for the big oil companies and now that he finally has his own firm and is doing well, who's to tell him he can't give his kids the good life. I guess you just have to be careful that they don't forget where it all comes from and how hard Dad had to work to get there. :rolleyes:


Yip

My husband came from a very affluent background, but his parents still made him appreciate a pound.

Everything we do is for our kids, but I am not going to buy him a top of the range sports car, for his first car, for numerous reasons, but my main one, after safety, is that everything is not handed to you on a plate, and everyone has to have a dream,

My parent didnt have much money at all, but everything they had to spare went on us kids

Funny thing is, even though my husband had to save for things when he was a child at boarding school, and I did not, he is always more willing to give the kids almost everything they ask for.

Me, the older I get, the more cautious I am of throwing things at them, even though I did this up until recently.

But when they are asking for $40,000 cars, I have to say NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

That would be a big NOOOOOOOOO

Just my opinion :)

PD

psb182 Feb 2nd 2005 2:39 pm

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Originally Posted by Tami2
where it all comes from and how hard Dad had to work to get there. :rolleyes:

Tami thats the problem...."how hard dad had to work for it"......I am not saying you can't do anything you want for your kids,it's your life do as you wish ...but I belive nothing is appreciated as much unless you earn it yourself....I guess it is a culture thing I don't know

psb182 Feb 2nd 2005 2:41 pm

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Originally Posted by Perfumdiva1
Yip

My husband came from a very affluent background, but his parents still made him appreciate a pound.

Everything we do is for our kids, but I am not going to buy him a top of the range sports car, for his first car, for numerous reasons, but my main one, after safety, is that everything is not handed to you on a plate, and everyone has to have a dream,

My parent didnt have much money at all, but everything they had to spare went on us kids

Funny thing is, even though my husband had to save for things when he was a child at boarding school, and I did not, he is always more willing to give the kids almost everything they ask for.

Me, the older I get, the more cautious I am of throwing things at them, even though I did this up until recently.

But when they are asking for $40,000 cars, I have to say NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

That would be a big NOOOOOOOOO

Just my opinion :)




PD


agree 100%

Tami2 Feb 2nd 2005 2:42 pm

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Originally Posted by Perfumdiva1
Yip

My husband came from a very affluent background, but his parents still made him appreciate a pound.

Everything we do is for our kids, but I am not going to buy him a top of the range sports car, for his first car, for numerous reasons, but my main one, after safety, is that everything is not handed to you on a plate, and everyone has to have a dream,

My parent didnt have much money at all, but everything they had to spare went on us kids

Funny thing is, even though my husband had to save for things when he was a child at boarding school, and I did not, he is always more willing to give the kids almost everything they ask for.

Me, the older I get, the more cautious I am of throwing things at them, even though I did this up until recently.

But when they are asking for $40,000 cars, I have to say NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

That would be a big NOOOOOOOOO

Just my opinion :)

PD

I completely agree. I would never buy my kid a $40,000 car. To tell you the truth, my 20 year old doesn't even have her driver's license because we were living in Saudi from the time she was 15-19, but she came back to the states to go to university at 18. Of course, women can't drive in Saudi, so she never learned and now she's afraid to try. But there are three more moving up behind her, so I'm sure we'll be buying them something to drive eventually. I think a nice, old Volvo would be good. Aren't they supposed to be extremely safe, kind of like a tank? :p

Perfumdiva1 Feb 2nd 2005 2:42 pm

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Originally Posted by psb182
Tami thats the problem...."how hard dad had to work for it"......I am not saying you can't do anything you want for your kids,it's your life do as you wish ...but I belive nothing is appreciated as much unless you earn it yourself....I guess it is a culture thing I don't know


Yeah, I didnt get that until I was older

The words "spoilt brat" come to mind LOL

Perfumdiva1 Feb 2nd 2005 2:48 pm

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Originally Posted by Tami2
I completely agree. I would never buy my kid a $40,000 car. To tell you the truth, my 20 year old doesn't even have her driver's license because we were living in Saudi from the time she was 15-19, but she came back to the states to go to university at 18. Of course, women can't drive in Saudi, so she never learned and now she's afraid to try. But there are three more moving up behind her, so I'm sure we'll be buying them something to drive eventually. I think a nice, old Volvo would be good. Aren't they supposed to be extremely safe, kind of like a tank? :p


Hey Girl

My eldest is having his first driving lessons this week-end, and in a Mustang, is it any wonder they want these kind of cars when that is what the driving school is providing

What to do...

He doesnt want my Mama mobile (Expedition), and his Dad's car is a stick shift

So tough luck then, wait until he sees what his parents choose for him for this birthday (just how cruel am I???) LOL

Volvo sounds fab, or how about a really old Saab

Tami2 Feb 2nd 2005 2:48 pm

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Originally Posted by Perfumdiva1
Yeah, I didnt get that until I was older

The words "spoilt brat" come to mind LOL

Again, I agree it shouldn't just be handed to them without any meaning. But, if she graduates from college (she's in the honor's college), and she's managed to learn to drive by then, we've discussed giving her a new little suv for graduation. Thank goodness that's two years down the road! :) We really value and stress education with our kids and they know they have to keep their grades very high. To me, that's their job right now, and if they do it well, then they deserve some reward. We have such a difference in ages, it's really varied. They each get an allowance each month and either a bonus or something special they've been wanting every quarter if their report cards are good. It's just kind of an incentive program. :rolleyes:

Tami2 Feb 2nd 2005 2:51 pm

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Originally Posted by Perfumdiva1
Hey Girl

My eldest is having his first driving lessons this week-end, and in a Mustang, is it any wonder they want these kind of cars when that is what the driving school is providing

What to do...

He doesnt want my Mama mobile (Expedition), and his Dad's car is a stick shift

So tough luck then, wait until he sees what his parents choose for him for this birthday (just how cruel am I???) LOL

Volvo sounds fab, or how about a really old Saab

Exactly!! I drive a Grand Caravan (I need it with 4 kids) and hubby has a Durango over in Dubai. :eek: I never learned to drive a stick, so it's only automatic for me :eek:
A Saab would be good!!!

Perfumdiva1 Feb 2nd 2005 2:53 pm

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Originally Posted by Tami2
Again, I agree it shouldn't just be handed to them without any meaning. But, if she graduates from college (she's in the honor's college), and she's managed to learn to drive by then, we've discussed giving her a new little suv for graduation. Thank goodness that's two years down the road! :) We really value and stress education with our kids and they know they have to keep their grades very high. To me, that's their job right now, and if they do it well, then they deserve some reward. We have such a difference in ages, it's really varied. They each get an allowance each month and either a bonus or something special they've been wanting every quarter if their report cards are good. It's just kind of an incentive program. :rolleyes:


Have you seen the promos, they are doing for SUV's??? not good

I would rather buy her somthing closer to the ground, less roll over

Although, my first choice for my sons was a SUV, until I did some research, he is gonna be 16, and not all that responsibel/cautious, so something closer to the ground would be better for him

But he is a boy, insurance companies say girls are much more sensible drivers, although still need to re-mortage the house to insure either LOL

BTW, good on her for doing so well at college :)

psb182 Feb 2nd 2005 2:56 pm

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Originally Posted by Tami2
Exactly!! I drive a Grand Caravan (I need it with 4 kids) and hubby has a Durango over in Dubai. :eek: I never learned to drive a stick, so it's only automatic for me :eek:
A Saab would be good!!!


how come everyone on here has a husband working in Dubai???????

Tami2 Feb 2nd 2005 2:56 pm

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Originally Posted by Perfumdiva1
Have you seen the promos, they are doing for SUV's??? not good

I would rather buy her somthing closer to the ground, less roll over

Although, my first choice for my sons was a SUV, until I did some research, he is gonna be 16, and not all that responsibel/cautious, so something closer to the ground would be better for him

But he is a boy, insurance companies say girls are much more sensible drivers, although still need to re-mortage the house to insure either LOL

BTW, good on her for doing so well at college :)

Oh, I agree on the SUV if it's a youngish boy. But she'll be 22 by then and she's more levelheaded than I am. And like I said, she's scared shitless to even learn. I think at 16 they think they're immortal and they'll try anything, but 19 or 20, they've seen a bit more and relized that they're not invinceable. She likes the little SUVs and living here in the mountains in Pennsylvania, they do come in handy. We've got a while to wait though, so no worries right now. :D

Tami2 Feb 2nd 2005 2:57 pm

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Originally Posted by psb182
how come everyone on here has a husband working in Dubai???????

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ :D

Perfumdiva1 Feb 2nd 2005 2:59 pm

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Originally Posted by psb182
how come everyone on here has a husband working in Dubai???????


I dont

psb182 Feb 2nd 2005 3:02 pm

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Originally Posted by Tami2
Oh, I agree on the SUV if it's a youngish boy. But she'll be 22 by then and she's more levelheaded than I am. And like I said, she's scared shitless to even learn. I think at 16 they think they're immortal and they'll try anything, but 19 or 20, they've seen a bit more and relized that they're not invinceable. She likes the little SUVs and living here in the mountains in Pennsylvania, they do come in handy. We've got a while to wait though, so no worries right now. :D


my son is 15 and I wouldn't wan't him in charge of a tonka truck never mind a car.....it's scary how invincible they think they are.....I know I was the same but just never realized it.....you can't teach experience

Perfumdiva1 Feb 2nd 2005 3:03 pm

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Originally Posted by Tami2
Oh, I agree on the SUV if it's a youngish boy. But she'll be 22 by then and she's more levelheaded than I am. And like I said, she's scared shitless to even learn. I think at 16 they think they're immortal and they'll try anything, but 19 or 20, they've seen a bit more and relized that they're not invinceable. She likes the little SUVs and living here in the mountains in Pennsylvania, they do come in handy. We've got a while to wait though, so no worries right now. :D


Sounds like a plan

More sensible for sure

But what to do with a 16 year old wanting a flash sports car, silly me would say yes, but sensible Mummy me says NO WAY JOSE


:rolleyes:

psb182 Feb 2nd 2005 3:04 pm

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Originally Posted by Perfumdiva1
I dont



I have seen quite a few women with husbands in Dubai......just an observation over the past couple weeks

Tami2 Feb 2nd 2005 3:05 pm

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Originally Posted by psb182
my son is 15 and I wouldn't wan't him in charge of a tonka truck never mind a car.....it's scary how invincible they think they are.....I know I was the same but just never realized it.....you can't teach experience

I really think it depends on the kid too. I was so careful and afraid of having an accident. My sister, on the other hand, totalled my Mom's stationwagon and my Dad's pickup all within a month of getting her license. My two oldest are girls and I think they'd both be very cautious and careful, my boy, God forbid. He can't drive his radio-controlled car!!! And it's awfully hard to drive and play PS2 at the same time...LOL :D

Tami2 Feb 2nd 2005 3:07 pm

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Originally Posted by Perfumdiva1
Sounds like a plan

More sensible for sure

But what to do with a 16 year old wanting a flash sports car, silly me would say yes, but sensible Mummy me says NO WAY JOSE


:rolleyes:

I'd say you're driving the Volvo/Saab until you graduate from college. Then we'll talk about a sports car, if you deserve it!

Perfumdiva1 Feb 2nd 2005 3:07 pm

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Originally Posted by psb182
my son is 15 and I wouldn't wan't him in charge of a tonka truck never mind a car.....it's scary how invincible they think they are.....I know I was the same but just never realized it.....you can't teach experience


Oh My God

You are so right

How I didnt kill myself when I was 17, was truly a miracle, you know, boyfriend with fast cars, who worked off shore, left me his cars etc..

What did I know

Thanks be to God I am still here, this is what make me so worried about my son driving, going by his mothers behaviour, although he shall never know this LOL

Thinks I drive like Miss Daisy NOT

Perfumdiva1 Feb 2nd 2005 3:08 pm

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Originally Posted by psb182
I have seen quite a few women with husbands in Dubai......just an observation over the past couple weeks


OK PSB182

Spill the beans, who are you, where are you etc

Tell all, we wont tell anyone else LOL

Perfumdiva1 Feb 2nd 2005 3:09 pm

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Originally Posted by psb182
I have seen quite a few women with husbands in Dubai......just an observation over the past couple weeks


Tami2 and I are very discreet, right Tami2


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