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Here we go again . Millions of people now can't get up on a plane within an hour of a flight left (which could mean 2 hours or more if your delayed in the air). You can't even use a laptop anymore within the hour or two).
it's pathetic. This guy was on a watch list and his Dad contacted US authorities to warn he was a danger (and the UK barred him from entering the UK). And because of the screw ups by our Governments NOW we have to go through more checks that will me meaningless and punish us all (businesses and personal). We are letting the terrorists win. All they have to do is say BOOH and we all forced to change the way we travel again. I for one won't feel ANY safer until our Governments do their part properly and that ain't EVER going to happen, is it? End RANT. |
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......We're sheep.
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Not getting the bit about making people sit down for the last hour of the flight. :blink:
I mean, If you were future Islamic nutjob with a bomb and you managed to board a flight knowing that you would be confined to your seat for the last hour, wouldn't you just attempt to set your bomb off *before* that point anyway? Am I missing something, or have I been playing too many Wii games lately? |
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No, you are not missing anything. It's all pathetic and I hope we eventually make a stand because the last thing this country needs is another layer of security on top of something that obviously never has worked.
Did someone say profiling? yes ME !
Originally Posted by The Horticulturalist
(Post 8199790)
Not getting the bit about making people sit down for the last hour of the flight. :blink:
I mean, If you were future Islamic nutjob with a bomb and you managed to board a flight knowing that you would be confined to your seat for the last hour, wouldn't you just attempt to set your bomb off *before* that point anyway? Am I missing something, or have I been playing too many Wii games lately? |
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Originally Posted by The Horticulturalist
(Post 8199790)
Not getting the bit about making people sit down for the last hour of the flight. :blink:
I mean, If you were future Islamic nutjob with a bomb and you managed to board a flight knowing that you would be confined to your seat for the last hour, wouldn't you just attempt to set your bomb off *before* that point anyway? |
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And from the NY times - if it wasn't serious this would be hilarious....
"Airline officials also said the carriers were told to turn off the maps on in-flight entertainment systems that show a plane’s location. The rule apparently was intended to prevent travelers from knowing when a plane had reached the United States. However, industry officials pointed out there are route maps in the backs of airline magazines, and that a traveler could simply time the journey using a watch" Or I guess you could look out of the friggen window. or sense when the plane started it's descent or 15 mins when they told you not to get out of you seat. MADNESS......... |
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Where is the proof this is happening btw?
These are the new rules of the game. If you object, don't get a plane ride. You'll soon change your tune when one of these fockers succeeds in their objectives. |
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Originally Posted by Ginblossom
(Post 8199916)
Where is the proof this is happening btw?
These are the new rules of the game. If you object, don't get a plane ride. You'll soon change your tune when one of these fockers succeeds in their objectives. |
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No one is forced to take a plane trip.
If you object in principle to the measures being undertaken to enforce security, then don't buy a ticket. Find alternative means whereby your route, and any travel restrictions don't conflict with your political and philosophical reasoning. |
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Originally Posted by Ginblossom
(Post 8199916)
These are the new rules of the game. If you object, don't get a plane ride.
You'll soon change your tune when one of these fockers succeeds in their objectives. He didn't succeed. All these new rules do is punish everybody else, that's 99.9999999999999999% of the traveling public. I guarantee you anybody stupid enough to think they could blow up a plane by setting light to themselves without attracting attention and being jumped on by at least 6 other passengers is an idiot. I totally agree with franc111s. We lost our freedoms 8 years ago and it's getting worse. BL & Co have already won. Ginblossom and his like are speeding the decline into a "your papers please" society. |
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Boeing just announced a new version of their B787 Dreamliner to meet the new TSA rules on International airline travel to the USA....;)
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Originally Posted by AdobePinon
(Post 8199947)
And toss out your brain while you're at it.
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Originally Posted by Ginblossom
(Post 8199956)
No one is forced to take a plane trip.
If you object in principle to the measures being undertaken to enforce security, then don't buy a ticket. Find alternative means whereby your route, and any travel restrictions don't conflict with your political and philosophical reasoning. |
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Nothing more to add, my feelings are pretty clear on the matter. Others disagree, have different opinions and that's all good and fine too. Nothing troll like about having a different opinion or disagreement.
The moans aside, this is the new forward for airline security, and yes, you have to suck it up if you want to travel by airline. |
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Originally Posted by The Horticulturalist
(Post 8199790)
Not getting the bit about making people sit down for the last hour of the flight. :blink:
I mean, If you were future Islamic nutjob with a bomb and you managed to board a flight knowing that you would be confined to your seat for the last hour, wouldn't you just attempt to set your bomb off *before* that point anyway? Am I missing something, or have I been playing too many Wii games lately? Doesn't make much sense to me but that's why the last hour is 'banned'. |
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Originally Posted by penguinsix
(Post 8200910)
This may sound really weird (and let me just say I think the whole thing is silly too) but the reason there is a ban on the 'last hour' is because the nutjobs really want to detonate "over American soil". In interviews with failed plots and intercepts of their communications, just blowing up over the ocean isn't good enough. They want it to rain down fire and engine parts onto US soil.
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Originally Posted by penguinsix
(Post 8200910)
This may sound really weird (and let me just say I think the whole thing is silly too) but the reason there is a ban on the 'last hour' is because the nutjobs really want to detonate "over American soil". In interviews with failed plots and intercepts of their communications, just blowing up over the ocean isn't good enough. They want it to rain down fire and engine parts onto US soil.
Doesn't make much sense to me but that's why the last hour is 'banned'. Don't you think those in charge have lost the plot a little with the "no-maps" thingy also? Perhaps they'd had too much Christmas Ale when they thought up that little gem:blink: And from memory, US bound flights from the UK are over North America around 2 - 3 hours before landing, at least if you're flying further south/west than New York. |
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Originally Posted by dunroving
(Post 8200552)
No, no-one has a gun held to their head and forced to travel, but plane travel is essential for many and the old "if you don't like it, then don't travel by plane" saw is getting pretty tedious.
It's idiots like you that say we have to live with this when the truth is, we don't. I am ALL for more security, in fact the more the better BUT not pathetic stuff that won't work. I bet you are one of those that don't agree to profiling. You've got a guy that boarded a flight to the USA when we are supposed to all now have bio-metric passports (that cost a fortune) and they scan the lists before we fly!. He was banned from the UK and had known terror-ties. And his own father told authorities he was a fanatic. And you want me to have more security that would NOT have prevented this same guy doing the same thing again! None of the new measures would have prevented this. Muppet. This guy could get up and mix his chemicals in the first 9 hours of the flight - because he can't get up for the last hour now. Muppet. This guy would have to calculate when he was over US soil. I'm sure someone like Homer Simpson wouldn't even be fooled by that silyl rule. Duh. How about when the plane starts it's descent! or when then tell you "Sorry, you can't get up, we are in the last hour of the flight". Duh. No, this is all wrong. We have muppets managing the security and some of the stuff to fix this is easy and it does NOT involve more inconvenience. It involves COMMON sense, profiling, and better technology (that's already here). Heck, I'll feel safer when we can breeze through security because I'll know they've got it right. Muppet. |
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Originally Posted by franc111s
(Post 8201096)
What a silly statement. What about people who have jobs and have to fly? You don't get paid overtime typically if you are in a job that involves flying. It means less time with that persons family as they wait in line.
It's idiots like you that say we have to live with this when the truth is, we don't. . |
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Originally Posted by franc111s
(Post 8201096)
What a silly statement. What about people who have jobs and have to fly? You don't get paid overtime typically if you are in a job that involves flying. It means less time with that persons family as they wait in line.
It's idiots like you that say we have to live with this when the truth is, we don't. I am ALL for more security, in fact the more the better BUT not pathetic stuff that won't work. I bet you are one of those that don't agree to profiling. You've got a guy that boarded a flight to the USA when we are supposed to all now have bio-metric passports (that cost a fortune) and they scan the lists before we fly!. He was banned from the UK and had known terror-ties. And his own father told authorities he was a fanatic. And you want me to have more security that would NOT have prevented this same guy doing the same thing again! None of the new measures would have prevented this. Muppet. This guy could get up and mix his chemicals in the first 9 hours of the flight - because he can't get up for the last hour now. Muppet. This guy would have to calculate when he was over US soil. I'm sure someone like Homer Simpson wouldn't even be fooled by that silyl rule. Duh. How about when the plane starts it's descent! or when then tell you "Sorry, you can't get up, we are in the last hour of the flight". Duh. No, this is all wrong. We have muppets managing the security and some of the stuff to fix this is easy and it does NOT involve more inconvenience. It involves COMMON sense, profiling, and better technology (that's already here). Heck, I'll feel safer when we can breeze through security because I'll know they've got it right. Muppet. |
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Originally Posted by franc111s
(Post 8199746)
Here we go again . Millions of people now can't get up on a plane within an hour of a flight left (which could mean 2 hours or more if your delayed in the air). You can't even use a laptop anymore within the hour or two).
it's pathetic. This guy was on a watch list and his Dad contacted US authorities to warn he was a danger (and the UK barred him from entering the UK). And because of the screw ups by our Governments NOW we have to go through more checks that will me meaningless and punish us all (businesses and personal). We are letting the terrorists win. All they have to do is say BOOH and we all forced to change the way we travel again. I for one won't feel ANY safer until our Governments do their part properly and that ain't EVER going to happen, is it? End RANT. "Only one carry on? No electronics for the first hour of flight? I wish that, just once, some terrorist would try something that you can only foil by upgrading the passengers to first class and giving them free drinks." - Bruce Schneier. :rofl: |
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Originally Posted by Brit3964
(Post 8200942)
But it won't necessarily do that. Depending on the destination, one hour could put a flight still over the Atlantic or Pacific ocean. Then again, on a flight from London to LA, one hour+ out puts it over lots of US soil. Plenty of time to detonate a bomb. it doesn't make any sense. I think it's an arbitrary figure dreamt up by the TSA.
On many flights, because of the semi-polar route they fly, one hour is basically US soil, with the exception of places like Boston, Chicago and Seattle. NY, DC, ATL, MIA, DFW, SFO, LAX, LAV all come down from Canada so they are over US soil for at least an hour or so (or hugging the coastline--maybe territorial waters count to the jihadists). It might also be because the landing is one of the more tricky bits, with the plane turning and whatnot at a lower speed and less reaction time for the pilots should they lose hydraulic pressure or something. But my vote is also an arbitrary figure dreamed up by the security guard state. I actually wonder if the one-carry on is to speed you through security, where they will now do a longer and more thorough check (taking up more time). |
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So franc111s idea of reasoned debate is to levy insult, calling folks idiots and say muppet repeatedly. How very constructive.
As for profiling, yes I support wholeheartedly. Elderly white men arent trying to blow up airplanes. As I said previously, if you have an objection that renders your patience obsolete, then simply do not fly. Personally I like the editorial in today's Telegraph paper: Many of our readers will spend today squashed into airport queues slowed to a snail's pace by extra security measures. It will be a teeth-grindingly boring ordeal. But it will not be terrifying, unlike the experience of looking up from your in-flight movie to see flames bursting out of the leg of a passenger who is trying to murder you. Get real here, it was pure sheer luck that hundreds of people did not die these last few days. They will try again, and next time you or your family might be sat on that plane. Thats the reality of the situation. I guess you don't get it because you are so selfish you don't want the inconvenience. You mention the word idiot. You are clearly demonstrating the very practice of. Muppet. |
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Originally Posted by Ginblossom
(Post 8200877)
Nothing more to add, my feelings are pretty clear on the matter.
Originally Posted by Ginblossom
(Post 8201271)
So franc111s idea of reasoned debate is to levy insult, calling folks idiots and say muppet repeatedly. How very constructive.
As for profiling, yes I support wholeheartedly. Elderly white men arent trying to blow up airplanes. As I said previously, if you have an objection that renders your patience obsolete, then simply do not fly. Personally I like the editorial in today's Telegraph paper: Many of our readers will spend today squashed into airport queues slowed to a snail's pace by extra security measures. It will be a teeth-grindingly boring ordeal. But it will not be terrifying, unlike the experience of looking up from your in-flight movie to see flames bursting out of the leg of a passenger who is trying to murder you. Get real here, it was pure sheer luck that hundreds of people did not die these last few days. They will try again, and next time you or your family might be sat on that plane. Thats the reality of the situation. I guess you don't get it because you are so selfish you don't want the inconvenience. You mention the word idiot. You are clearly demonstrating the very practice of. Muppet. |
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Originally Posted by Ginblossom
(Post 8201271)
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Get real here, it was pure sheer luck that hundreds of people did not die these last few days. They will try again, and next time you or your family might be sat on that plane. Thats the reality of the situation. I guess you don't get it because you are so selfish you don't want the inconvenience. |
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Originally Posted by traceym
(Post 8201305)
The 'sheer luck' is down to some guy jumping on the idiot and putting the 'bomb' out, not down to the security measures that 'should' have stopped him boarding the plane!
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Originally Posted by Ginblossom
(Post 8201318)
You are quite right, so none of us should mind if there is extra security now. Right?
The security measures that confiscate my hair grips don't seem to work too well do they! |
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As I posted elsewhere, think about El Al. Their passengers don't complain about security.
I wonder why. |
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Originally Posted by Ginblossom
(Post 8201347)
As I posted elsewhere, think about El Al. Their passengers don't complain about security.
I wonder why. |
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Originally Posted by another bloody yank
(Post 8201350)
Because they'll be shot?
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Originally Posted by Ginblossom
(Post 8201354)
Many incidents of that you recall ABY?
Don't go anywhere, I'll be right back. |
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Originally Posted by Ginblossom
(Post 8201318)
You are quite right, so none of us should mind if there is extra security now. Right?
I would be fine with everybody having to have a full-body patdown - wouldn't be terribly happy about it, but at least it would be useful in actually catching the villains. If they eliminated carry-on entirely, that would make sense, while being horribly annoying. But instead they half-arse it, which makes it pointless. It's all just to be seen to be doing something. |
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Originally Posted by anotherlimey
(Post 8201120)
Stupidity before security. :thumbdown:
"Only one carry on? No electronics for the first hour of flight? I wish that, just once, some terrorist would try something that you can only foil by upgrading the passengers to first class and giving them free drinks." - Bruce Schneier. :rofl: And a few of the posters in this thread too ;) |
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Originally Posted by Ginblossom
(Post 8201347)
As I posted elsewhere, think about El Al. Their passengers don't complain about security.
I wonder why. |
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Originally Posted by Ginblossom
(Post 8201347)
As I posted elsewhere, think about El Al. Their passengers don't complain about security.
I wonder why. |
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Oh and yes you could use the toilet, whenever you wanted.
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Originally Posted by Ginblossom
(Post 8201318)
You are quite right, so none of us should mind if there is extra security now. Right?
You seem to be blindly accepting any and all measures as 'instructions from our leaders' that we all must follow dutifully. I realize now that you don't even live in the US ... I don't think you've fully grasped the true nature of the US psyche ... questioning authority is a somewhat basic philosophy of this fine country - a country you have yet to even live in. Perhaps you should reconsider your intention to move here if you don't like it when people challenge authority. |
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Originally Posted by Elvira
(Post 8201116)
I think Dunroving was actually agreeing with you...
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Originally Posted by Steerpike
(Post 8201118)
Franc111s - you are quoting the wrong person - Dunroving is agreeing with you and arguing with 'GinBlossom' ...
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Originally Posted by Ginblossom
(Post 8201318)
You are quite right, so none of us should mind if there is extra security now. Right?
If you knew very much about airport and airline security you would be arguing to put right what went wrong and not put in place useless measures which serve no purpose. |
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