Michael Moore on US healthcare...
#61
Re: Michael Moore on US healthcare...
A few, but its a pretty young office so not as many as there could be.
I get annoyed with myself if I drink more than 4 cans a week, though did a bit of Brit shopping today and got some lucozade and club orange. Our fizzy drinks aren't nearly as toxic as they don't have that corn syrup crap in them
I get annoyed with myself if I drink more than 4 cans a week, though did a bit of Brit shopping today and got some lucozade and club orange. Our fizzy drinks aren't nearly as toxic as they don't have that corn syrup crap in them
#63
Re: Michael Moore on US healthcare...
I cut out all sugared sodas and drinks. Felt a lot better after I did that. Trying to keep aspartame to a minimum too as i find it gives me a headache if I have too much. Try to cut out caffeine but I have to be able to have a real cup of tea every once in a while . Sticking to water and diet raspberry snapple, yummy!
#64
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Re: Michael Moore on US healthcare...
BigDavyG - I did indeed have to pay up. Fortunately I could afford it, but the insurance company did a real dirty number on me - ****ers Megalife is the one to avoid btw
#65
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Re: Michael Moore on US healthcare...
BULL SHIT.
In the UK 2 years ago... my mums best (58yo) friend found a lump in her breast... went to her docs and was told her next mammogram wasn't for another 6months... come back then.
8months later (2months AFTER the mammogram)... they tell her she has breast cancer, full blown... 18months & 2 mastectomy's later and she's STILL got cancer....
she's been told that if they'd caught it earlier she'd likely have kept both breasts and be cured now... as it is she's still being "treated" which means she has an appointment every 6 weeks.
She will likely die soon...
my mum found a lump in her breast last summer... her mastectomy wasn't until feb just gone... thankfully she's fine.
In the US the story would have gone....
9am - find lump...
if insured
10am - docs for mastectomy
11am - referral to oncologist
2pm - start treatment.
else
die.
I'd rather have the option to pay.
In the UK 2 years ago... my mums best (58yo) friend found a lump in her breast... went to her docs and was told her next mammogram wasn't for another 6months... come back then.
8months later (2months AFTER the mammogram)... they tell her she has breast cancer, full blown... 18months & 2 mastectomy's later and she's STILL got cancer....
she's been told that if they'd caught it earlier she'd likely have kept both breasts and be cured now... as it is she's still being "treated" which means she has an appointment every 6 weeks.
She will likely die soon...
my mum found a lump in her breast last summer... her mastectomy wasn't until feb just gone... thankfully she's fine.
In the US the story would have gone....
9am - find lump...
if insured
10am - docs for mastectomy
11am - referral to oncologist
2pm - start treatment.
else
die.
I'd rather have the option to pay.
I have seen way too many children especially, die in this country through lack of medical insurance. My fave story was when the child wasn't treated and died in the ER on a ventilator, the donor coordinator then came to ask the family to donate her organs......
Please don't think the treatment here is in any way better than either the UK or any other western country, it is, only if you can afford it, otherwise you will get 20 year old chemo drugs made in India imported here on the cheap, sold on for mega profits.
Spend one day volunteering in a hospital to learn the reality, then make your mind up.
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Re: Michael Moore on US healthcare...
The problem is that because access to it is so problematic financially for so many people, the healthcare isn't fine at all. You really can't separate out the "health" side of healthcare from the financial side when so many people either (i) get bankrupted by healthcare bills - which then impacts health outcomes further down the road, or (ii) don't get access in the first place due to lack of insurance etc.
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I cut out all sugared sodas and drinks. Felt a lot better after I did that. Trying to keep aspartame to a minimum too as i find it gives me a headache if I have too much. Try to cut out caffeine but I have to be able to have a real cup of tea every once in a while . Sticking to water and diet raspberry snapple, yummy!
#70
Re: Michael Moore on US healthcare...
The problem is that because access to it is so problematic financially for so many people, the healthcare isn't fine at all. You really can't separate out the "health" side of healthcare from the financial side when so many people either (i) get bankrupted by healthcare bills - which then impacts health outcomes further down the road, or (ii) don't get access in the first place due to lack of insurance etc.
Truly even for the insured there is often a lack of care as the doctors really aren't free to treat based on clinical knowledge its led by people in suits ensuring that their share holders get top dollars, I work with a couple of doctors who are constantly frustrated by how tied their hands are.
#71
Re: Michael Moore on US healthcare...
read my post... it says...
if insured
/// blah blah blah
else
// die
can you tell I'm a programmer?
btw - we're discussing the service itself... everyone eventually pays for their medical coverage either directly, by employer contributions or by taxes. Personally I prefer paying for what I consider to be WAY better than anything I got in the UK.
if insured
/// blah blah blah
else
// die
can you tell I'm a programmer?
btw - we're discussing the service itself... everyone eventually pays for their medical coverage either directly, by employer contributions or by taxes. Personally I prefer paying for what I consider to be WAY better than anything I got in the UK.
#72
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Re: Michael Moore on US healthcare...
im so desperate for tea, temporarily living at my inlaws, that i have to boil the water in a microwave and use half and half (as my sister in law drinks milk like its going out of style and theres never any left in the morning.) cant wait for a proper cuppa when i get back. i'm still amazed at how much tea my mum drinks in england. i end up peeing like a horse. (prolly healthy though?) (just thought i'd let you know this)
#73
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Re: Michael Moore on US healthcare...
I don't get it... why don't you buy some teabags? Actually yes your mum really is helping herself by drinking so much tea. Just read an article on the beeb website about it yesterday - course can't find it now! - about how tea is better for you than water as it contains antioxidants and flavonoids, and is very much a rehydrating drink. I think most of us knew the last point there. Even on hot Summer days I'd rather have a nice cuppa than a glass of water.
#74
Re: Michael Moore on US healthcare...
oh, whoops, forgot to add in the part about adding tea, hot water and milk, urgh! i have pg tips and tetley tea but the water goes all frothy when i add the tea to the nuked water. we have a kettle but its packed away in the basement waiting delivery to our next house.
http://thescotsman.scotsman.com/index.cfm?id=41352007
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Re: Michael Moore on US healthcare...
150 million workers
Let's take a really low figure of $7/hr on average.
8% contributions/month = $90
$90 x 150M = $13.5 Billion monthly
Where does that all go?
Let's take a really low figure of $7/hr on average.
8% contributions/month = $90
$90 x 150M = $13.5 Billion monthly
Where does that all go?