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Old May 2nd 2006, 5:10 am
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Originally Posted by BigDavyG
Wtf is the point in comparing it to Nazi rhetoric ???
The oroginal mail is utter b*ll*cks - that's a given, but comparing it and therefore the writer to Nazi's who butchered millions is complete nonsense.

I think your ex must wake up every morning thinking he's won the lottery.
The analogy is whipping up hatred of millions of people on the basis of race/ethnic group/religious beliefs. The analogy ends there. Nobody is suggesting that the OP email (bigoted as it is) advocates the mass genocide of illegal immigrants.
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Originally Posted by Boiler
Fallacy

Let them clean their own pools.
Where's the fallacy? Please note my use of the word "if". The answer still remains to be seen, IMO.
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Old May 2nd 2006, 5:11 am
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Originally Posted by Elvira
What about those guys who were proposing to shoot illegals coming across the border?
There are a lot of issues at work here like I have said repeatedly.

Border control is one - a lot of yesterday's protesters are here illegally.

Exploitation of Mexican workers is another.

Best try to seperate the two and discuss it rationally, otherwise it all gets a bit messy.

In the context of border control the above statement would be an extreme strategy that would be unacceptable to most including myself, though try running from North Korea to the South and see what happens.
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Originally Posted by Rompers
Nobody is suggesting that the OP email (bigoted as it is) advocates the mass genocide of illegal immigrants.
So then don't use the Nazi word as it carries with it certain connotations.
Nazis are synonymous with mass genocide.
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Originally Posted by BigDavyG
So then don't use the Nazi word as it carries with it certain connotations.
Nazis are synonymous with mass genocide.
and scapegoating/whipping up hatred of groups on the basis of their race/ethnic group/religious beliefs
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Originally Posted by Elvira
OMG!

I am speechless...
I don't know why... I'm pretty sure IP speaks the truth.
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Originally Posted by anotherlimey
I don't know why... I'm pretty sure IP speaks the truth.
True - anti-semitism was rife in many European countries of the time - visit the Jewish Cemmetary in Prague for a good example going back over 500 years.
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Originally Posted by BigDavyG
Ok, point taken, but do you really think that a Mexican Holocaust could take place in the US today, and as you have just proven comparing anything to the events that took place in Nazi Germany is never a good idea especially in the context of such a controversial issue.
I have no idea what could happen in the US today. However, I will not sit by while people are using hateful propaganda to whip US citizens into a frenzy about an issue that could surely be resolved by much more civilized means.

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Originally Posted by BigDavyG
So then don't use the Nazi word as it carries with it certain connotations.
Nazis are synonymous with mass genocide.
It was also a political party famous for it's effective use of propaganda and I will use whatever damned words I like.
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Originally Posted by Leslie66
I have no idea what could happen in the US today. However, I will not sit by while people are using hateful propoganda to whip US citizens into a frenzy about an issue that could surely be resolved by much more civilized means.
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Originally Posted by BigDavyG
True - anti-semitism was rife in many European countries of the time - visit the Jewish Cemmetary in Prague for a good example going back over 500 years.

There probably was a lot of antisemitism in Europe but to say that "most everyone" hated or at least distrusted the Jews?

Now I will freely admit that I have no information to back up my disbelief, but it just seems so completely outrageous. If someone could point me to some sources...
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Originally Posted by Leslie66
It was also a political party famous for it's effective use of propaganda and I will use whatever damned words I like.
Trouble is it makes you look a prat.

Which interestingly does not seem to have the same connotation in the US.
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Originally Posted by Leslie66
I have no idea what could happen in the US today. However, I will not sit by while people are using hateful propoganda to whip US citizens into a frenzy about an issue that could surely be resolved by much more civilized means.
Interesting reading.

http://www.minutemanproject.com/
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Yes - those were the guys I meant but couldn't remember the name...
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Originally Posted by Elvira
There probably was a lot of antisemitism in Europe but to say that "most everyone" hated or at least distrusted the Jews?

Now I will freely admit that I have no information to back up my disbelief, but it just seems so completely outrageous. If someone could point me to some sources...
Start with 'The Merchant of Venice' by Shakespeare.
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