Mail opening
Jan 11th 2006, 8:12 am
#76
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Re: Mail opening
Originally Posted by Angry White Pyjamas
Unarmed combat Vs several armed people in a confined space. Interesting. I think we saw the results of that in the 4th plane that crashed.
Jan 11th 2006, 8:14 am
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Re: Mail opening
Originally Posted by BigDavyG
I agree about Chechens, but don't look a gift horse in the mouth so to speak - middle eastern types are a good group to focus on in the present climate, though whether this actually represents profiling is extremely debateable in my opinion.
Still, regardless of your opinion of profiling surely it must be better than random searches given that law enforcement bodies have limited resources.
Still, regardless of your opinion of profiling surely it must be better than random searches given that law enforcement bodies have limited resources.
If law enforcement searched every ME looking male, and then some of the "Black Widow" Chechen females decided to walk into a public place in any US city and blow themselves up, it would turn the whole system upside down.
You'd then be back to square one - random searches.
Jan 11th 2006, 8:17 am
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Re: Mail opening
Originally Posted by Angry White Pyjamas
Unarmed combat Vs several armed people in a confined space. Interesting. I think we saw the results of that in the 4th plane that crashed.
I'd love to see the effect 50,000 volts would have on a planes systems should the tazer contact hit the wrong part.
You could say armoured doors to the cockpit are a good deterent, except all the terrorists do then is threaten to pop off the passengers if the flight crew dont open up.
I'd love to see the effect 50,000 volts would have on a planes systems should the tazer contact hit the wrong part.
You could say armoured doors to the cockpit are a good deterent, except all the terrorists do then is threaten to pop off the passengers if the flight crew dont open up.
The tazer would have a lot less of an effect than a bullet ripping through the fuselage - don't planes get hit by lightening fairly regularly ??
Jan 11th 2006, 8:18 am
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Re: Mail opening
Originally Posted by anotherlimey
You'd then be back to square one - random searches.
Jan 11th 2006, 8:19 am
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Re: Mail opening
Originally Posted by BigDavyG
Err, no. You'd then be searching middle eastern men and women of chechen extract.
I certainly wouldn't be able to pick them out of a crowd. Especially if they dressed like an average American woman (even worse - a regular female executive).
Jan 11th 2006, 8:27 am
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Re: Mail opening
Originally Posted by anotherlimey
Do you know what a woman of Chechen 'extract' looks like?
I certainly wouldn't be able to pick them out of a crowd. Especially if they dressed like an average American woman (even worse - a regular female executive).
I certainly wouldn't be able to pick them out of a crowd. Especially if they dressed like an average American woman (even worse - a regular female executive).
The job of the security services is to make the bomberss task as difficult as possible - they will never be able to make the bombers' task impossible, so why do you keep posting comments that make it sound like there is a solution to this mess.
Also I would imagine that women of chechen extract have quite hairy faces
Jan 11th 2006, 8:32 am
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Re: Mail opening
Originally Posted by BigDavyG
If someone wants to blow up a plane or building badly enough and they have half a brain they will be able to do it - FACT.
The job of the security services is to make the bomberss task as difficult as possible - they will never be able to make the bombers' task impossible, so why do you keep posting comments that make it sound like there is a solution to this mess.
Also I would imagine that women of chechen extract have quite hairy faces
The job of the security services is to make the bomberss task as difficult as possible - they will never be able to make the bombers' task impossible, so why do you keep posting comments that make it sound like there is a solution to this mess.
Also I would imagine that women of chechen extract have quite hairy faces
Jan 11th 2006, 8:42 am
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Re: Mail opening
Originally Posted by Angry White Pyjamas
Well generally it makes them as sane as can be hoped. I assume you wouldnt feel safe then knowing that some passengers were legally armed, having been trained in the use of firearms and undergone extensive background checks?
Jan 11th 2006, 8:44 am
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Re: Mail opening
Originally Posted by Partystar
It all depends. Are you referring to Air Marshalls?
The idea put forward was to arm all passengers.
Jan 11th 2006, 8:45 am
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Re: Mail opening
Originally Posted by BigDavyG
Not if they're trigger happy yanks I wouldn't, no.
Look at their army after all the training they get.
Besides guns on planes are daft full stop in my opinion. If you want to ensure safety station Bruce Lee in front of the cockpit on all planes or issue air marshalls with tazers - this is actually a serious point I'm making by the way.
Look at their army after all the training they get.
Besides guns on planes are daft full stop in my opinion. If you want to ensure safety station Bruce Lee in front of the cockpit on all planes or issue air marshalls with tazers - this is actually a serious point I'm making by the way.
Jan 11th 2006, 8:48 am
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Re: Mail opening
Originally Posted by Partystar
The tazar is a good idea!
Surely no good for more than one terrorist?
Perhaps you could issue all passengers with tazers?
Although I think everyone would be tazering their friends for a laugh.
Jan 11th 2006, 8:53 am
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Re: Mail opening
Originally Posted by britontour
Not sure Bruce Lee would be any good in his current state. 
Jan 11th 2006, 8:57 am
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Re: Mail opening
Originally Posted by anotherlimey
Now you're watering down the master plan!
The idea put forward was to arm all passengers.
The idea put forward was to arm all passengers.
Jan 11th 2006, 9:00 am
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Re: Mail opening
Originally Posted by anotherlimey
I've never used a tazar but aren't they single use until you can reset them?
Surely no good for more than one terrorist?
Perhaps you could issue all passengers with tazers?
Although I think everyone would be tazering their friends for a laugh.
Surely no good for more than one terrorist?
Perhaps you could issue all passengers with tazers?
Although I think everyone would be tazering their friends for a laugh.
Jan 11th 2006, 9:04 am
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Re: Mail opening
sorry, didn't check to see if it's been mentioned yet, but my friend is a pilot, and she told me that they're allowed to carry guns now too. I don't know how i feel about that...
