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Originally Posted by Angry White Pyjamas
Well generally it makes them as sane as can be hoped. I assume you wouldnt feel safe then knowing that some passengers were legally armed, having been trained in the use of firearms and undergone extensive background checks?
Look at their army after all the training they get.
Besides guns on planes are daft full stop in my opinion. If you want to ensure safety station Bruce Lee in front of the cockpit on all planes or issue air marshalls with tazers - this is actually a serious point I'm making by the way.
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That's profiling which doesn't always work, especially against terrorists who know you are doing it.
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Originally Posted by britontour
Being trained in the use of firearms are you also taught how to stop someone taking the gun off of you.
If you pull a weapon then you have got to be prepared to use it ,otherwise that weapon might get taken off of you and used on you.
If you pull a weapon then you have got to be prepared to use it ,otherwise that weapon might get taken off of you and used on you.
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Originally Posted by BigDavyG
To be fair, with the odd exception like that belgian bird last year most islamic terrorists will have a certain look about them. This isn't racist, just commonsense.
If I know you're profiling, I'll go out of my way to not fit the profile.
Plus Timothy McVeigh (sp?) wasn't from the Middle East, and there's been a few others; and of course not all people who want to kill you are from the ME.
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Originally Posted by anotherlimey
That's profiling which doesn't always work, especially against terrorists who know you are doing it.
So why do we continue to strip search 68 year old american black men and 45 year old Japanese men and so on? For no reason other than to be PC.
Is profiling popular or PC? NO. Does it work: Yes.
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Originally Posted by BigDavyG
Not if they're trigger happy yanks I wouldn't, no.
Look at their army after all the training they get.
Besides guns on planes are daft full stop in my opinion. If you want to ensure safety station Bruce Lee in front of the cockpit on all planes or issue air marshalls with tazers - this is actually a serious point I'm making by the way.
Look at their army after all the training they get.
Besides guns on planes are daft full stop in my opinion. If you want to ensure safety station Bruce Lee in front of the cockpit on all planes or issue air marshalls with tazers - this is actually a serious point I'm making by the way.
I'd love to see the effect 50,000 volts would have on a planes systems should the tazer contact hit the wrong part.
You could say armoured doors to the cockpit are a good deterent, except all the terrorists do then is threaten to pop off the passengers if the flight crew dont open up.
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Originally Posted by ironporer
Yeah thats right. Of all the 9/11 terrorists, the Madrid train bombings, the London tube/bus bombings, the Morocco bombings etc there were exactly ZERO who were not Young Middle Eastern Males between the ages of018-45.
So why do we continue to strip search 68 year old american black men and 45 year old Japanese men and so on? For no reason other than to be PC.
Is profiling popular or PC? NO. Does it work: Yes.
So why do we continue to strip search 68 year old american black men and 45 year old Japanese men and so on? For no reason other than to be PC.
Is profiling popular or PC? NO. Does it work: Yes.
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Originally Posted by ironporer
Yeah thats right. Of all the 9/11 terrorists, the Madrid train bombings, the London tube/bus bombings, the Morocco bombings etc there were exactly ZERO who were not Young Middle Eastern Males between the ages of018-45.
So why do we continue to strip search 68 year old american black men and 45 year old Japanese men and so on? For no reason other than to be PC.
Is profiling popular or PC? NO. Does it work: Yes.
So why do we continue to strip search 68 year old american black men and 45 year old Japanese men and so on? For no reason other than to be PC.
Is profiling popular or PC? NO. Does it work: Yes.
In the same way during the 70's/80's Irish accented people would be more likely to get stopped and searched due to the IRA etc
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Originally Posted by anotherlimey
It's not a race issue.
If I know you're profiling, I'll go out of my way to not fit the profile.
Plus Timothy McVeigh (sp?) wasn't from the Middle East, and there's been a few others; and of course not all people who want to kill you are from the ME.
If I know you're profiling, I'll go out of my way to not fit the profile.
Plus Timothy McVeigh (sp?) wasn't from the Middle East, and there's been a few others; and of course not all people who want to kill you are from the ME.
Surely you have to admit that the overwhelming majority of suicide bombers are males of middle eastern extraction, therefore there is nothing wrong with focusing searches on members of this group.
If middle eastern men don't like it then they should vent their anger against the terrorists from their own communities instead of turning a blind eye to them and accusing the rest of us of being racist.
Is it racist to point out that the fastest people in the world are black men, or to also note that the same group generally can't swim for sh*t ???
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Originally Posted by anotherlimey
See the post above; profiling does work sometimes, but against an educated enemy it doesn't.
A) Certain traits are unable to be covered up
B) You are open to the fact it isnt 100%
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If you want to ensure safety station Bruce Lee in front of the cockpit on all planes or issue air marshalls with tazers - this is actually a serious point I'm making by the way.
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Originally Posted by BigDavyG
McVeigh was not on a plane, nor was he a suicide bomber.
Surely you have to admit that the overwhelming majority of suicide bombers are males of middle eastern extraction, therefore there is nothing wrong with focusing searches on members of this group.
If middle eastern men don't like it then they should vent their anger against the terrorists from their own communities instead of turning a blind eye to them and accusing the rest of us of being racist.
Is it racist to point out that the fastest people in the world are black men, or to also note that the same group generally can't swim for sh*t ???
Surely you have to admit that the overwhelming majority of suicide bombers are males of middle eastern extraction, therefore there is nothing wrong with focusing searches on members of this group.
If middle eastern men don't like it then they should vent their anger against the terrorists from their own communities instead of turning a blind eye to them and accusing the rest of us of being racist.
Is it racist to point out that the fastest people in the world are black men, or to also note that the same group generally can't swim for sh*t ???
It's not a race issue.
But if the terrorist knows you are doing it he will go out of his way not to fit the profile. That's the problem.
Plus, Chechens (sp?) look Russian, some of them would probably love to blow you up too, as well as other White skinned Muslims.
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Not sure Bruce Lee would be any good in his current state. ![Big Grin](https://britishexpats.com/forum/images/smilies/biggrin.gif)
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Originally Posted by Angry White Pyjamas
Profiling does work if
A) Certain traits are unable to be covered up
B) You are open to the fact it isnt 100%
A) Certain traits are unable to be covered up
B) You are open to the fact it isnt 100%
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Originally Posted by anotherlimey
I'm not disagreeing with it, nor the fact that most suicide bombers (in the West) fitted the typical Middle Eastern profile.
It's not a race issue.
But if the terrorist knows you are doing it he will go out of his way not to fit the profile. That's the problem.
Plus, Chechens (sp?) look Russian, some of them would probably love to blow you up too, as well as other White skinned Muslims.
It's not a race issue.
But if the terrorist knows you are doing it he will go out of his way not to fit the profile. That's the problem.
Plus, Chechens (sp?) look Russian, some of them would probably love to blow you up too, as well as other White skinned Muslims.
Still, regardless of your opinion of profiling surely it must be better than random searches given that law enforcement bodies have limited resources.
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