Local tragedy
#31
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Re: Local tragedy
Originally Posted by BritGuyTN
this morning I have been researching shot guns, and the racking sound has both for and against it seems.
1. some intruders may be scared
2. it gives away your position and wastes a shell
1. some intruders may be scared
2. it gives away your position and wastes a shell
Remember that what you see on television and films is wrong, it is not easy to aim a weapon accurately, particularly when you are stressed and dealing with an armed, moving opponent. Even police officers often fail to hit their targets when using their weapons under duress -- hitting moving targets in varying conditions is much harder than hitting a predictable target that doesn't pose a threat.
#32
Re: Local tragedy
Originally Posted by BritGuyTN
http://www.tennessean.com/apps/pbcs....511120352/1001
This occurred outside my house last night. I was browsing BE at the time and heard the gunshot. The man in question is my next door neighbour who was a great guy.
Two black men are current suspects
Question for RAY or other Floridians/Texans
I need some serious suggestions on 'protection' for
My House
My Car
My Person
Both me and wifey will be getting a concelaed weapons permit
This occurred outside my house last night. I was browsing BE at the time and heard the gunshot. The man in question is my next door neighbour who was a great guy.
Two black men are current suspects
Question for RAY or other Floridians/Texans
I need some serious suggestions on 'protection' for
My House
My Car
My Person
Both me and wifey will be getting a concelaed weapons permit
I think there's nothing worse than in a genuine life threatening situation when one freezes or worse still cannot handle their weapon safely.
Also, if you're going to get a concealed carry permit, even if there's a class to take in order to get the permit, be very clear about the circumstances when can carry a concealed weapon and when it can be used.
Laws vary from state to state so it's up to you to check on the laws in your state (and possibly even your city or county).
In the last couple of weeks I've just recertified (safety and pistol test) with my local gun club in order to remain a member there.
NC Penguin
#33
Re: Local tragedy
Originally Posted by BritGuyTN
Actually, Ray, one of my redneck friends is a big proponet of the shotgun in the house - any particularly good makes?
Also, there have been carjackings where the driver gets shot just for the hell of it.
The worst thing is, I live in a REASONABLE area. Most properties around me are owned by teachers/attorneys/architects. We can move to a 'better' area, but we would sacrifice postive aspects of our lifestyle like having short walks to bars/restaurants etc.<<snip>>
Also, there have been carjackings where the driver gets shot just for the hell of it.
The worst thing is, I live in a REASONABLE area. Most properties around me are owned by teachers/attorneys/architects. We can move to a 'better' area, but we would sacrifice postive aspects of our lifestyle like having short walks to bars/restaurants etc.<<snip>>
Another tip. Doesn't matter how good the brand of your firearm, if you have poorly made ammo, you're going to be screwed when it comes to crunch time. You do not want a jam or a misfire occurring...
NC Penguin
#34
Mr. Grumpy
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Re: Local tragedy
Originally Posted by NC Penguin
For self-protection in the home, a pistol is the safest option. Small and easy to handle. The right pistol (to be kept in the house) should be one that both you and your wife can handle safely with ease. This probably narrows down the choice unless you're prepared to get one each.
Another tip. Doesn't matter how good the brand of your firearm, if you have poorly made ammo, you're going to be screwed when it comes to crunch time. You do not want a jam or a misfire occurring...
NC Penguin
Another tip. Doesn't matter how good the brand of your firearm, if you have poorly made ammo, you're going to be screwed when it comes to crunch time. You do not want a jam or a misfire occurring...
NC Penguin
I will also investigate pistol grip shotgun with the shortest legal barrel length. at 4 am and disorientated, a shotgun may be more viable, maybe not
#35
Re: Local tragedy
Originally Posted by BritGuyTN
I will also investigate pistol grip shotgun with the shortest legal barrel length. at 4 am and disorientated, a shotgun may be more viable, maybe not
And stick to small calibres....high velocity makes a big mess, also a much bigger chance of missing...
Has anyone thought of a .22 for a car? I know there fairly high velocity and won't stop a car, but for close range in a car you don't want to be deafened and blind firing the first shot if the shit were to happen...
#36
Re: Local tragedy
Originally Posted by BritGuyTN
at 4 am and disorientated, a shotgun may be more viable, maybe not
#37
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Re: Local tragedy
Originally Posted by Elvira
And the point of highlighting that they were black is...?
#38
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Re: Local tragedy
We baked some muffins and took food round for the partner of the deceased and the other people at the house.
I just cannot comprehend the level of loss
The thing I hope for most is for the cops to find the perps. maybe the surviving relatives can get some closure then
I've lived in the area for nearly two years and nothing like this has occurred - its all very disturbing
I just cannot comprehend the level of loss
The thing I hope for most is for the cops to find the perps. maybe the surviving relatives can get some closure then
I've lived in the area for nearly two years and nothing like this has occurred - its all very disturbing
#39
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Re: Local tragedy
Originally Posted by BritGuyTN
http://www.tennessean.com/apps/pbcs....511120352/1001
This occurred outside my house last night. I was browsing BE at the time and heard the gunshot. The man in question is my next door neighbour who was a great guy.
Two black men are current suspects
Question for RAY or other Floridians/Texans
I need some serious suggestions on 'protection' for
My House
My Car
My Person
Both me and wifey will be getting a concelaed weapons permit
This occurred outside my house last night. I was browsing BE at the time and heard the gunshot. The man in question is my next door neighbour who was a great guy.
Two black men are current suspects
Question for RAY or other Floridians/Texans
I need some serious suggestions on 'protection' for
My House
My Car
My Person
Both me and wifey will be getting a concelaed weapons permit
#40
Re: Local tragedy
Originally Posted by BritGuyTN
On going formal training is not something I have a problem with, and I recognise the value in this.
I will also investigate pistol grip shotgun with the shortest legal barrel length. at 4 am and disorientated, a shotgun may be more viable, maybe not
I will also investigate pistol grip shotgun with the shortest legal barrel length. at 4 am and disorientated, a shotgun may be more viable, maybe not
for something solely for home protection and being hardly used a cheap Mossberg Cruiser (has pistol grip) 12g with an 18.5in barrel would suffice..
Personally I prefer a .38 revolver.. semi autos can jam up if left loaded for a long time without use and regular cleaning....
Bob.. for car carrying I use a .380 with hollow points ..the .22 will stop nobody in ther tracks unless is in the head .. but is good for vermin..
For carry.. I use the .380 or .38P or 9mm...
The choice of ammo can be more important then the size of the calibre
.50 calibre is ideal for nothing..
#41
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Re: Local tragedy
Personal security in your own home and outside of it start way before and go way beyond carrying a weapon. Your best defence in any situation is your awareness of what can happen, your awareness of what is likely to happen and your instinctive reaction to what does happen. A weapon is only of any consequence if all the above function correctly.
Carrying a weapon is a great responsibility and should you choose to do so you must be more willing to not become involved in confrontations than if you are not carrying.
However should you do choose to carry then make sure you spend a lot of time training with a competent instructor on all aspects not least weapons safety.
For myself I have worked with weapons and security for nearly all my adult life as have others on here. I, and they, know how we react in high tension volatile situations. The average person who chooses to arm themselves will not.
Carrying a weapon is a great responsibility and should you choose to do so you must be more willing to not become involved in confrontations than if you are not carrying.
However should you do choose to carry then make sure you spend a lot of time training with a competent instructor on all aspects not least weapons safety.
For myself I have worked with weapons and security for nearly all my adult life as have others on here. I, and they, know how we react in high tension volatile situations. The average person who chooses to arm themselves will not.
Last edited by Angry White Pyjamas; Nov 12th 2005 at 8:25 pm.
#42
Mr. Grumpy
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Re: Local tragedy
Originally Posted by Ray
Personally.. I find wielding a shotgun indoors is difficult and cumbersome
for something solely for home protection and being hardly used a cheap Mossberg Cruiser (has pistol grip) 12g with an 18.5in barrel would suffice
for something solely for home protection and being hardly used a cheap Mossberg Cruiser (has pistol grip) 12g with an 18.5in barrel would suffice
#43
Re: Local tragedy
I am so sorry it must be very frightening and shocking to have something like this happen so close by. My heart goes out to your neighbours partner I cannot begin to imagine how they are feeling
Annette
Annette
#44
Re: Local tragedy
Originally Posted by Bob
less likely have a stray bullet go through a window and kill a neighbour across the street.
#45
Re: Local tragedy
Originally Posted by elfman
when you consider what most US houses are made of they could go through several walls and still harm an innocent party.
but to be frank its very hard to miss a target at that distance ... the use of frangible bullets will prevent that happening anyway ..As I said before ..ammo used can be more important than the calibre ...