Jesus Camp
Oct 8th 2006 | 9:37 am
#211
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Re: Jesus Camp
Originally Posted by Elvira
Andy, dear, I think she means you and me too! 
Oct 8th 2006 | 9:37 am
#212
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Re: Jesus Camp
Originally Posted by kellogs
Interesting. You'll believe Jesus came and died simply to give us a 'nice set of values' yet don't mention your thoughts on what Jesus said regarding Who He was and why He came. Because, after all, He never claimed to just be offering fancy values. He came so that we might live, He said. He came so that whoever believes in Him AND repents of their sin, will not go to hell but spend eternity with Him. Just brush all that aside though I guess and take the stuff that's easier to handle? Here's a thought though, if all He was is a good teacher as some claim He was, tell me what GOOD teachers do you know that lie to their pupils? He told them He was the Son of God. He never gave us the option of calling Him anything else.
I love how those who clearly do not read a Bible, have no belief in Christ have this odd tendency to ask themselves WHAT WOULD JESUS DO? How on earth would YOU know? Leave that to those who spend their days and lives trying to get to know Him and learn of Him. Those people who refrained from sex after becoming Christians are doing so because it's something they believe they should have been doing as that is what God's Word says and they are trying to make it right. That's what the word repentance means (something a person MUST do in order to be saved). It means turning our backs on our past sins and promising not to commit them again. Sheesh, and if they did continue their old lifestyles you would call them a hypocrite. I hate this intolerance for Christians in the world. They can't win.
I love how those who clearly do not read a Bible, have no belief in Christ have this odd tendency to ask themselves WHAT WOULD JESUS DO? How on earth would YOU know? Leave that to those who spend their days and lives trying to get to know Him and learn of Him. Those people who refrained from sex after becoming Christians are doing so because it's something they believe they should have been doing as that is what God's Word says and they are trying to make it right. That's what the word repentance means (something a person MUST do in order to be saved). It means turning our backs on our past sins and promising not to commit them again. Sheesh, and if they did continue their old lifestyles you would call them a hypocrite. I hate this intolerance for Christians in the world. They can't win.
Oct 8th 2006 | 10:47 am
#213
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Re: Jesus Camp
Originally Posted by kellogs
Interesting. You'll believe Jesus came and died simply to give us a 'nice set of values' yet don't mention your thoughts on what Jesus said regarding Who He was and why He came. Because, after all, He never claimed to just be offering fancy values. He came so that we might live, He said. He came so that whoever believes in Him AND repents of their sin, will not go to hell but spend eternity with Him. Just brush all that aside though I guess and take the stuff that's easier to handle? Here's a thought though, if all He was is a good teacher as some claim He was, tell me what GOOD teachers do you know that lie to their pupils? He told them He was the Son of God. He never gave us the option of calling Him anything else.
I love how those who clearly do not read a Bible, have no belief in Christ have this odd tendency to ask themselves WHAT WOULD JESUS DO? How on earth would YOU know? Leave that to those who spend their days and lives trying to get to know Him and learn of Him. Those people who refrained from sex after becoming Christians are doing so because it's something they believe they should have been doing as that is what God's Word says and they are trying to make it right. That's what the word repentance means (something a person MUST do in order to be saved). It means turning our backs on our past sins and promising not to commit them again. Sheesh, and if they did continue their old lifestyles you would call them a hypocrite. I hate this intolerance for Christians in the world. They can't win.
I love how those who clearly do not read a Bible, have no belief in Christ have this odd tendency to ask themselves WHAT WOULD JESUS DO? How on earth would YOU know? Leave that to those who spend their days and lives trying to get to know Him and learn of Him. Those people who refrained from sex after becoming Christians are doing so because it's something they believe they should have been doing as that is what God's Word says and they are trying to make it right. That's what the word repentance means (something a person MUST do in order to be saved). It means turning our backs on our past sins and promising not to commit them again. Sheesh, and if they did continue their old lifestyles you would call them a hypocrite. I hate this intolerance for Christians in the world. They can't win.
I am an atheist and I believe that there are no omnipotent beings, whether they represent Christainity, Hinduism, Islam, Shintoism, Bhuddism etc. As such you must understand that I view the bible with as much reverence as the Iliad by Homer.
I follow the school of thought that says religion is only a human construct intended to control the masses and the main difference between a religion and a cult is its size
Based on my above expressed views, you must understand that I cannot give any credibility to your reply to my post.
I am not intolerant of Christiananity or any other religion except where it adversely affects me personally. I also do reserve the right to voice my opinions on occasion when I see people behaving in ways that I regard as irrational or stupid. This is whether they are just being a dumbass in general or doing something related to religious beliefs - I do not discriminate in any way.
Oct 8th 2006 | 11:01 am
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Re: Jesus Camp
"God" does not and cannot exist.
There are plenty of things we dont understand about the universe and it's workings, however to assume that there is some great and omnipotent power that LOOKS LIKE US and is there PURELY FOR OUR BENEFIT is, to my mind, irrational, delusional, and above all the epitomy of conceited arrogance.
In the universe the human race is nothing but a passing fad on the face of a ball of rock that is nothing but a speck of dust in the cosmos. And we have the utter audacity to think we are some kind of special case being looked after by some great and powerful being?
Religion in a creation of Man for the benefit of Man. You don't have to be religious to be a "Good" person and being religious does not automatically mean you are one.
There are plenty of things we dont understand about the universe and it's workings, however to assume that there is some great and omnipotent power that LOOKS LIKE US and is there PURELY FOR OUR BENEFIT is, to my mind, irrational, delusional, and above all the epitomy of conceited arrogance.
In the universe the human race is nothing but a passing fad on the face of a ball of rock that is nothing but a speck of dust in the cosmos. And we have the utter audacity to think we are some kind of special case being looked after by some great and powerful being?
Religion in a creation of Man for the benefit of Man. You don't have to be religious to be a "Good" person and being religious does not automatically mean you are one.
Oct 8th 2006 | 12:25 pm
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Re: Jesus Camp
Originally Posted by Angry White Pyjamas
Religion in a creation of Man for the benefit of Man. You don't have to be religious to be a "Good" person and being religious does not automatically mean you are one.
Hear, hear!
I would just like to add that, within the confines what you have outlined, religion can have validity and meaning for some people, and it would be churlish to either deny them the right to believe, or to ridicule said beliefs.
Oct 8th 2006 | 12:29 pm
#216
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Re: Jesus Camp
Originally Posted by Angry White Pyjamas
"God" does not and cannot exist.
There are plenty of things we dont understand about the universe and it's workings, however to assume that there is some great and omnipotent power that LOOKS LIKE US and is there PURELY FOR OUR BENEFIT is, to my mind, irrational, delusional, and above all the epitomy of conceited arrogance.
In the universe the human race is nothing but a passing fad on the face of a ball of rock that is nothing but a speck of dust in the cosmos. And we have the utter audacity to think we are some kind of special case being looked after by some great and powerful being?
Religion in a creation of Man for the benefit of Man. You don't have to be religious to be a "Good" person and being religious does not automatically mean you are one.
There are plenty of things we dont understand about the universe and it's workings, however to assume that there is some great and omnipotent power that LOOKS LIKE US and is there PURELY FOR OUR BENEFIT is, to my mind, irrational, delusional, and above all the epitomy of conceited arrogance.
In the universe the human race is nothing but a passing fad on the face of a ball of rock that is nothing but a speck of dust in the cosmos. And we have the utter audacity to think we are some kind of special case being looked after by some great and powerful being?
Religion in a creation of Man for the benefit of Man. You don't have to be religious to be a "Good" person and being religious does not automatically mean you are one.
And the fact that religions tend to dicard other religions as not being 'the true religion' is also ridiculous
who has the right to say that cristiananity is one more valid than islam, et al?
comment i had from an ingnorant babtist friend of mine was
'who is this allah guy the muslims keep talking about' I explained to her that he was just as valid as her god, infact a lot more people worship him.
she looked at me as if I was barking mad and wondered whether she needed to call the religious police.
Oct 8th 2006 | 12:32 pm
#217
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Re: Jesus Camp
Originally Posted by Elvira
Hear, hear!
I would just like to add that, within the confines what you have outlined, religion can have validity and meaning for some people, and it would be churlish to either deny them the right to believe, or to ridicule said beliefs.
I would just like to add that, within the confines what you have outlined, religion can have validity and meaning for some people, and it would be churlish to either deny them the right to believe, or to ridicule said beliefs.
Oct 8th 2006 | 12:34 pm
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Re: Jesus Camp
Originally Posted by Elvira
Hear, hear!
I would just like to add that, within the confines what you have outlined, religion can have validity and meaning for some people, and it would be churlish to either deny them the right to believe, or to ridicule said beliefs.
I would just like to add that, within the confines what you have outlined, religion can have validity and meaning for some people, and it would be churlish to either deny them the right to believe, or to ridicule said beliefs.
Oct 8th 2006 | 12:36 pm
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Re: Jesus Camp
Originally Posted by BritGuyTN
And the fact that religions tend to dicard other religions as not being 'the true religion' is also ridiculous
who has the right to say that cristiananity is one more valid than islam, et al?
comment i had from an ingnorant babtist friend of mine was
'who is this allah guy the muslims keep talking about' I explained to her that he was just as valid as her god, infact a lot more people worship him.
she looked at me as if I was barking mad and wondered whether she needed to call the religious police.
who has the right to say that cristiananity is one more valid than islam, et al?
comment i had from an ingnorant babtist friend of mine was
'who is this allah guy the muslims keep talking about' I explained to her that he was just as valid as her god, infact a lot more people worship him.
she looked at me as if I was barking mad and wondered whether she needed to call the religious police.
Allah is not only just as "valid" as the Christian God - he is the SAME God...
Moreover, muslims believe that Jesus - although not divine - is a prophet.
I think the nonsense that some Christians, especially in the US, proclaim about Islam is quite extraordinary.
Oct 8th 2006 | 12:38 pm
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Re: Jesus Camp
Originally Posted by Elvira
Allah is not only just as "valid" as the Christian God - he is the SAME God...
Moreover, muslims believe that Jesus - although not divine - is a prophet.
I think the nonsense that some Christians, especially in the US, proclaim about Islam is quite extraordinary.
Moreover, muslims believe that Jesus - although not divine - is a prophet.
I think the nonsense that some Christians, especially in the US, proclaim about Islam is quite extraordinary.
Oct 8th 2006 | 12:38 pm
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Re: Jesus Camp
Originally Posted by Sally
It would, but then again some Christians have no problem ridiculing my beliefs and telling me I am going to Hell, and their children have told my children they are going to Hell (this is in England), also Church groups have great political leverage here in the US which atheists do not have.
I know, I know... Religious tolerance is meant to be a two-way street, but here in the US the word bigotry takes on a whole new meaning.
Oct 8th 2006 | 12:40 pm
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Re: Jesus Camp
Originally Posted by Sally
Well "Hindu" is going to be our second language
And don't you know that you are going to have to wear a veil if them Muhammadans are allowed to take over (which they will if we let any more of them in!!! :scared: )!!!
And your husband will take 3 more wives, and you have to address him as Lord and kiss his feet and if you don't obey he will beat you with a broomstick
Oct 8th 2006 | 12:41 pm
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Re: Jesus Camp
Originally Posted by Elvira
Hear, hear!
I would just like to add that, within the confines what you have outlined, religion can have validity and meaning for some people, and it would be churlish to either deny them the right to believe, or to ridicule said beliefs.
I would just like to add that, within the confines what you have outlined, religion can have validity and meaning for some people, and it would be churlish to either deny them the right to believe, or to ridicule said beliefs.
Its interesting because I have rarely met people who have no belief at all and I find atheists as strange as I know, you find believers. Its a funny old world innit?
Oct 8th 2006 | 12:42 pm
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Re: Jesus Camp
Originally Posted by Elvira
you have to address him as Lord and kiss his feet
Oct 8th 2006 | 12:44 pm
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Re: Jesus Camp
Originally Posted by Bradford Lass
I'm not 'religous' and I don't fit in with the stereotype that is regularly parodied here. No one could deny me a belief, because its based on my own experience and not what someone told me.
Its interesting because I have rarely met people who have no belief at all and I find atheists as strange as I know, you find believers. Its a funny old world innit?
Its interesting because I have rarely met people who have no belief at all and I find atheists as strange as I know, you find believers. Its a funny old world innit?
