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If it isn't then we have a problem :mad: Very true about attendance at christian colleges, its sky-rocketing. Along with nonsensical practices, here are two for example: At a local baptist college (belmont) the 'in' thing right now is not 'no sex before marriage' its 'NO KISSING BEFORE MARRIAGE' Another example is a couple of born again muppets I know. They dated for years having a normal relationship (in my eyes) (i.e. shagging) They broke up for a couple of years and during this time they both found the Jesus. Then then got back together again but decided not to have sex again before marrige (about 18 months total of dating and being engaged), these people did not kiss either. WTF? I'm not sure about there being an omnipotent being, and I'm pretty sure someone called Jesus was not his son or sent down here to save us. I am however open to the idea of a bloke called Jesus who went round trying to get people to practice good values to each other. So when people do things which I think are nutty, I ask myself - what would jesus think? Would he think kissing before marriage is bad? Would he thing that a union between two people of the same sex is bad? Would he think that drinking and dancing at weddings (or in general) is bad? (the baptists for those who are flummoxed) |
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Originally Posted by BritGuyTN
Is this a piss-take?
If it isn't then we have a problem :mad: Very true about attendance at christian colleges, its sky-rocketing. Along with nonsensical practices, here are two for example: At a local baptist college (belmont) the 'in' thing right now is not 'no sex before marriage' its 'NO KISSING BEFORE MARRIAGE' Another example is a couple of born again muppets I know. They dated for years having a normal relationship (in my eyes) (i.e. shagging) They broke up for a couple of years and during this time they both found the Jesus. Then then got back together again but decided not to have sex again before marrige (about 18 months total of dating and being engaged), these people did not kiss either. WTF? I'm not sure about there being an omnipotent being, and I'm pretty sure someone called Jesus was not his son or sent down here to save us. I am however open to the idea of a bloke called Jesus who went round trying to get people to practice good values to each other. So when people do things which I think are nutty, I ask myself - what would jesus think? Would he think kissing before marriage is bad? Would he thing that a union between two people of the same sex is bad? Would he think that drinking and dancing at weddings (or in general) is bad? (the baptists for those who are flummoxed) If I was a homophobic, racist, bigot what better way to get others to accept my views than to get them to believe in a God, then to believe that if they dont do as God says they'll have an eternity of suffering and THEN tell them that all my polarised and frankly disgusting views are actually God's Will and if they dont tow the line then it's hellfire and brimstone for you chummy! All the Church (and religion) does is to play on peoples fear of the unknown...and the fact that most people can't come to terms with the thought that this is it...life and nothing afterwards. |
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What amazes me is how people constantly buy into this shit over here. Some of these "Christian Fundamentalists" or whatever you want to call them, are openly power crazed a-holes and are doing it so they can control people and makes tons of money. They get exposed as the liars they are on TV, living in their big mansions with a brace of hookers around the pool and Ferraris in the drive......yet still, people flock to them. I just can't understand why.
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Originally Posted by Dan725
What amazes me is how people constantly buy into this shit over here. Some of these "Christian Fundamentalists" or whatever you want to call them, are openly power crazed a-holes and are doing it so they can control people and makes tons of money. They get exposed as the liars they are on TV, living in their big mansions with a brace of hookers around the pool and Ferraris in the drive......yet still, people flock to them. I just can't understand why.
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Originally Posted by Angry White Pyjamas
All the Church (and religion) does is to play on peoples fear of the unknown...and the fact that most people can't come to terms with the thought that this is it...life and nothing afterwards. |
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Originally Posted by Angry White Pyjamas
and the fact that most people can't come to terms with the thought that this is it...life and nothing afterwards.
or Hull as it is also known :D |
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You hit the nail on the head with the word 'fundamentalist'
I am a believer in God that's my choice, I do not agree with some peoples lifestyle choices but I do them no harm it is their choice. You cannot group all Christians together as you can't group all muslims together. As far as I'm concerned I try to live as a good Christian, I fail dismally most of the time but I try. |
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Extremists from any walk of life are a menace. Religion and politics being but two of them. While I thought the video was frightening in some aspects and pure propoganda in others I find some of the views expressed on BE to be equally extreme. It is what you want to believe that matters.
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Originally Posted by BritGuyTN
I am however open to the idea of a bloke called Jesus who went round trying to get people to practice good values to each other.
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The Bible says NOTHING about sex before marriage, and nothing about not kissing your intended etc.
This is a prime example of the culture here affecting peoples faiths. America is a place of extremes and obviously that also includes religion. I went to a strict church high school in England and know many Christians back home and none of them act like this, and get really quite angry at Americans for basically turning many people off having a faith in God because the message being sent is - you have to be some rigid uber-Conservative wacko or you won't get into heaven. Think of the Vicars and church services you've been to back home, they could be further apart from how Christianity is presented over here. |
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Originally Posted by Sarah
The Bible says NOTHING about sex before marriage, and nothing about not kissing your intended etc.
This is a prime example of the culture here affecting peoples faiths. America is a place of extremes and obviously that also includes religion. I went to a strict church high school in England and know many Christians back home and none of them act like this, and get really quite angry at Americans for basically turning many people off having a faith in God because the message being sent is - you have to be some rigid uber-Conservative wacko or you won't get into heaven. Think of the Vicars and church services you've been to back home, they could be further apart from how Christianity is presented over here. http://britishexpats.com/forum/showp...5&postcount=81 |
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Originally Posted by Dan725
What amazes me is how people constantly buy into this shit over here. Some of these "Christian Fundamentalists" or whatever you want to call them, are openly power crazed a-holes and are doing it so they can control people and makes tons of money. They get exposed as the liars they are on TV, living in their big mansions with a brace of hookers around the pool and Ferraris in the drive......yet still, people flock to them. I just can't understand why.
Religion PAYS in the USA. It is the only reason that TBN is alive and well on planet USA. |
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Originally Posted by BritGuyTN
Is this a piss-take?
If it isn't then we have a problem :mad: Very true about attendance at christian colleges, its sky-rocketing. Along with nonsensical practices, here are two for example: At a local baptist college (belmont) the 'in' thing right now is not 'no sex before marriage' its 'NO KISSING BEFORE MARRIAGE' Another example is a couple of born again muppets I know. They dated for years having a normal relationship (in my eyes) (i.e. shagging) They broke up for a couple of years and during this time they both found the Jesus. Then then got back together again but decided not to have sex again before marrige (about 18 months total of dating and being engaged), these people did not kiss either. WTF? I'm not sure about there being an omnipotent being, and I'm pretty sure someone called Jesus was not his son or sent down here to save us. I am however open to the idea of a bloke called Jesus who went round trying to get people to practice good values to each other. So when people do things which I think are nutty, I ask myself - what would jesus think? Would he think kissing before marriage is bad? Would he thing that a union between two people of the same sex is bad? Would he think that drinking and dancing at weddings (or in general) is bad? (the baptists for those who are flummoxed) |
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Originally Posted by anotherlimey
He's obviously publicity-hungry and will jump on whatever disaster he can and say its because of someone elses sins. I hope he get caught paying a gang of rent boys for sex. |
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My neighbours in Solihull were born-again Christians constantly ramming it down your throat, but were also extremely snobby, totally hung up on wealth and prestige, in fact completely "un Christian" as I saw it in their attitude to everything. Previously in Barnet I lived next door to a born-again Christian from Cananda, who was a lovely lady, but totally obsessed with sex, or rather not having sex. It seemed she needed the church to stop her sleeping with every man she met :confused:
Personally I can control my sexual desires and greed without needing supernatural powers. |
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Originally Posted by Thydney
You hit the nail on the head with the word 'fundamentalist'
I am a believer in God that's my choice, I do not agree with some peoples lifestyle choices but I do them no harm it is their choice. You cannot group all Christians together as you can't group all muslims together. As far as I'm concerned I try to live as a good Christian, I fail dismally most of the time but I try. When we lived in NY, we were in an area where churches attracted people because they had little else to give them hope. The churches were either traditional ones with old folk mouldering in the back aisles or modern ones (born-again types) which sprung up, died out and generally absorbed the lives of those who went to them. There was no happy medium. Shame, its very important for kids, at least I think so. |
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Originally Posted by Thydney
I am a believer in God that's my choice, I do not agree with some peoples lifestyle choices but I do them no harm it is their choice. |
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Originally Posted by gardnma
Nice comment, honest.
When we lived in NY, we were in an area where churches attracted people because they had little else to give them hope. The churches were either traditional ones with old folk mouldering in the back aisles or modern ones (born-again types) which sprung up, died out and generally absorbed the lives of those who went to them. There was no happy medium. Shame, its very important for kids, at least I think so. |
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Originally Posted by Sally
Do you mean homosexuality?
I hope he did not... It has been proven conclusively that homosexuality if not a "lifestyle choice". To think that it is would demean the real love that some people of the same sex share. |
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Originally Posted by fatbrit
Let's face it: Jesus was a liberal!
Absolutely! I wonder what they guy would make of the way things have turned out... |
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Originally Posted by Sarah
That Phelps guy is almost laughable if he wasn't such a sick f--k.
He's obviously publicity-hungry and will jump on whatever disaster he can and say its because of someone elses sins. I hope he get caught paying a gang of rent boys for sex. |
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Originally Posted by Elvira
I hope he did not...
It has been proven conclusively that homosexuality if not a "lifestyle choice". To think that it is would demean the real love that some people of the same sex share. |
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Originally Posted by tony126
Isn't that what Foley was trying to do? Share his love. Interestingly he has admitted to being gay but is now labelled a pervert by a lot of people. Cannot have it both ways in my book, well you know what I mean.
And I'm not quite sure what you mean... |
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Originally Posted by Elvira
I thought the perversion was with regard to his emails to underaged boys, not his homosexuality as such?
And I'm not quite sure what you mean... I wonder if those advocating a life of celibacy for homosexuals could live like that themselves? |
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Sex with a miner is legal.
Sex with a minor is Illegal. |
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Originally Posted by TouristTrap
What is wrong with people having the right to follow what THEY want to follow? Isn't imposing your views on them just as bad? Freedom entails allowing other people to follow whatever they desire to follow - otherwise we're stuck in the USSR.
PS - The Amish are Christians. :D |
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Originally Posted by Sarah
That Phelps guy is almost laughable if he wasn't such a sick f--k.
He's obviously publicity-hungry and will jump on whatever disaster he can and say its because of someone elses sins. I hope he get caught paying a gang of rent boys for sex. I turned down a job in Topeka Kansas partly because of that Phelps TWAT. But get this...2 of his sons, who he has disowned, are gay! hahaha... |
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Freedom - should it include the indoctrination of childen?
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Originally Posted by tony126
Isn't that what Foley was trying to do? Share his love. Interestingly he has admitted to being gay but is now labelled a pervert by a lot of people. Cannot have it both ways in my book, well you know what I mean.
So is he a perv for being gay, or a perv for liking young men, or a perv for sending them email? If the boy was 18 at the time, could he have come out (no pun intended) and told the world it was his personal life and none of their buisiness? Does the fact that this was investigated by FL newspapers over a year ago and dropped due to lack of cooperation by the boy...before being leaked to CREW who sent it to the FBI and the media even matter? To me it smells of a fully orchestrated and choreographed October surprise, and makes the Dems look so damn two faced it is incredible. Clinton gets BJ's on the oral office by a 20 year old intern and it's no problem.... Republican sends dirty emails to a 17 year old and the world comes down on him. Fu ck politicians, every one of them. Term limits should be applied- 8 years, then they take them out back and shoot them. |
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Originally Posted by ironporer
I have to wonder what the Gay community thinks of this whole issue. It seems Foley like his boys young, but in most states 17 is above the age for legal consent I believe.
So is he a perv for being gay, or a perv for liking young men, or a perv for sending them email? If the boy was 18 at the time, could he have come out (no pun intended) and told the world it was his personal life and none of their buisiness? Does the fact that this was investigated by FL newspapers over a year ago and dropped due to lack of cooperation by the boy...before being leaked to CREW who sent it to the FBI and the media even matter? To me it smells of a fully orchestrated and choreographed October surprise, and makes the Dems look so damn two faced it is incredible. Clinton gets BJ's on the oral office by a 20 year old intern and it's no problem.... Republican sends dirty emails to a 17 year old and the world comes down on him. Fu ck politicians, every one of them. Term limits should be applied- 8 years, then they take them out back and shoot them. |
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Originally Posted by ironporer
I have to wonder what the Gay community thinks of this whole issue. It seems Foley like his boys young, but in most states 17 is above the age for legal consent I believe.
So is he a perv for being gay, or a perv for liking young men, or a perv for sending them email? If the boy was 18 at the time, could he have come out (no pun intended) and told the world it was his personal life and none of their buisiness? Does the fact that this was investigated by FL newspapers over a year ago and dropped due to lack of cooperation by the boy...before being leaked to CREW who sent it to the FBI and the media even matter? To me it smells of a fully orchestrated and choreographed October surprise, and makes the Dems look so damn two faced it is incredible. Clinton gets BJ's on the oral office by a 20 year old intern and it's no problem.... Republican sends dirty emails to a 17 year old and the world comes down on him. Fu ck politicians, every one of them. Term limits should be applied- 8 years, then they take them out back and shoot them. http://blogs.abcnews.com/theblotter/...nyearold_.html And apparently, the Republican party knew about Foley's behaviour years ago. :rolleyes: And so much for a Democrat leak: http://www.hillnews.com/thehill/expo...506/news2.html Still I'm sure you can find something to blame the Democrats for... :rolleyes: |
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Originally Posted by ironporer
I have to wonder what the Gay community thinks of this whole issue. It seems Foley like his boys young, but in most states 17 is above the age for legal consent I believe.
So is he a perv for being gay, or a perv for liking young men, or a perv for sending them email? If the boy was 18 at the time, could he have come out (no pun intended) and told the world it was his personal life and none of their buisiness? Does the fact that this was investigated by FL newspapers over a year ago and dropped due to lack of cooperation by the boy...before being leaked to CREW who sent it to the FBI and the media even matter? To me it smells of a fully orchestrated and choreographed October surprise, and makes the Dems look so damn two faced it is incredible. Clinton gets BJ's on the oral office by a 20 year old intern and it's no problem.... Republican sends dirty emails to a 17 year old and the world comes down on him. Fu ck politicians, every one of them. Term limits should be applied- 8 years, then they take them out back and shoot them. |
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He is a criminal for trying to seduce under-aged boys.
He is a criminal for sexually harassing people in subordinate positions and abusing his position of power. He is incorrigible for now blaming his behavior on alcohol and previous abuse by a clergyman. He's a perv for thinking that boys that age would find him attractive and acting on his own delusional overly high opinion of himself. I mean really, he's no better than the men in their mid-forties who hit on 16 year old girls. Being gay should not get him a get out of jail free card when it comes to statutory rape.
Originally Posted by ironporer
I have to wonder what the Gay community thinks of this whole issue. It seems Foley like his boys young, but in most states 17 is above the age for legal consent I believe.
So is he a perv for being gay, or a perv for liking young men, or a perv for sending them email? If the boy was 18 at the time, could he have come out (no pun intended) and told the world it was his personal life and none of their buisiness? Does the fact that this was investigated by FL newspapers over a year ago and dropped due to lack of cooperation by the boy...before being leaked to CREW who sent it to the FBI and the media even matter? To me it smells of a fully orchestrated and choreographed October surprise, and makes the Dems look so damn two faced it is incredible. Clinton gets BJ's on the oral office by a 20 year old intern and it's no problem.... Republican sends dirty emails to a 17 year old and the world comes down on him. Fu ck politicians, every one of them. Term limits should be applied- 8 years, then they take them out back and shoot them. |
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Originally Posted by gruffbrown
Aren't there laws in some States about age differences between consenting adults? I don't know if Florida is one.
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Originally Posted by Leslie66
I think he pulled this nonsense in Washington though.
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Originally Posted by ironporer
<snip>. Clinton gets BJ's on the oral office by a 20 year old intern and it's no problem.... <snip>
I hardly think it was "no problem" the whole thing pretty much stymied his presidency and rendered him ineffectual for the remainder of his term. |
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Originally Posted by Leslie66
I think he pulled this nonsense in Washington though.
I find his behaviour odd, not illegal just odd. just admit you like young lads, which he obviously does..... blaming behaviour on your lifestyle isn't an excuse. being gay and a drunk doesn't make you a Dog......being horny makes you a Dog. |
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Originally Posted by Manc
age of consent in Washington is 16
I find his behaviour odd, not illegal just odd. just admit you like young lads, which he obviously does..... blaming behaviour on your lifestyle isn't an excuse. being gay and a drunk doesn't make you a Dog......being horny makes you a Dog. |
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Originally Posted by ironporer
Fu ck politicians, every one of them. Term limits should be applied- 8 years, then they take them out back and shoot them.
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