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Speedwell Nov 3rd 2013 9:14 am

Help the Yank make fish and chips!
 
Hello all! I went and bought a bunch of cod and potatoes to make fish and chips as a surprise for my husband. He gave me an alarmed look when I said I intended to fry them as I have deep-fried things all my life, in an open pan of hot oil. :eek: I got rushed out immediately to buy a proper fryer. :thumbsup:

We have plenty of fish, the proper sort of potatoes (according to him), we're making a beer batter because he likes it, and we're using good fresh peanut oil to cook in (I won't use soya, rapeseed, or corn oils to deep fry, and the fryer manual says not to use shortening or lard without some very stupid extra precautions).

My main question is this. Since I have only one fryer, in which order should I make the fish and the chips? Should the fish hold warm while we fry the chips, or can we hold the chips warm while we fry the fish? What do you do at home? :britflag:

Mr Weeze Nov 3rd 2013 9:36 am

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Part do the chips, do the fish, hold it warm in the oven, finish the chips.

Don't forget the mushy peas.

steveq Nov 3rd 2013 10:18 am

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Originally Posted by Speedwell (Post 10975177)
My main question is this. Since I have only one fryer, in which order should I make the fish and the chips? Should the fish hold warm while we fry the chips, or can we hold the chips warm while we fry the fish? What do you do at home? :britflag:

good chips should be around 5/8" square in section.....

Speedwell Nov 3rd 2013 2:53 pm

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All went well thanks, took Mr. Weeze's advice, and I let him cut the chips :) We're stuffed lol!

Steerpike Nov 3rd 2013 6:04 pm

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Originally Posted by Speedwell (Post 10975177)
Hello all! I went and bought a bunch of cod and potatoes to make fish and chips as a surprise for my husband. He gave me an alarmed look when I said I intended to fry them as I have deep-fried things all my life, in an open pan of hot oil. :eek: I got rushed out immediately to buy a proper fryer. :thumbsup:
...

what is his idea of a 'proper fryer' and how did it differ, in your opinion, to the use of an open pan of hot oil? The only 'special' thing we had as kids was a pan that had a close-fitting basket for removal of fried food when done. Much later, we got a fancier fryer that had a proper lid, with built-in filters, and such. Chips never tasted as good with the new device :). I love home made chips (we also used to use lard :) )

steveq Nov 3rd 2013 6:51 pm

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Originally Posted by Steerpike (Post 10975488)
.... later, we got a fancier fryer that had a proper lid, with built-in filters, and such. Chips never tasted as good with the new device :). I love home made chips (we also used to use lard :) )

lidded deep fat fryers tend to steam them.

Speedwell Nov 3rd 2013 10:39 pm

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Originally Posted by Steerpike (Post 10975488)
what is his idea of a 'proper fryer' and how did it differ, in your opinion, to the use of an open pan of hot oil? The only 'special' thing we had as kids was a pan that had a close-fitting basket for removal of fried food when done. Much later, we got a fancier fryer that had a proper lid, with built-in filters, and such. Chips never tasted as good with the new device :). I love home made chips (we also used to use lard :) )

One with a basket, thermostat, lid, and ready light. He said the old-fashioned pan was a fire hazard and he disliked them. We didn't leave the lid on all the way during frying though for just the reason steveq said.

steveq Nov 3rd 2013 11:21 pm

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Originally Posted by Speedwell (Post 10975679)
One with a basket, thermostat, lid, and ready light. He said the old-fashioned pan was a fire hazard and he disliked them. We didn't leave the lid on all the way during frying though for just the reason steveq said.

Clearly your DH is an aficianado....

The local fire service here is trying to "stamp out" the conventional chip pan fire - responsible for nearly 3000 serious fires a year.

AilsWallace Nov 4th 2013 2:04 am

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Damn! Now I have a hankering for a fish supper!

Speedwell Nov 4th 2013 2:29 am

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The results (removed too-big photo): https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.n...58122468_o.jpg Homemade tartar sauce there; I hate the sweet gooey crap so I made a spicy, rich version with fresh lemon juice, sour cornichons, a few pickled jalapenos, shallots, and parsley :)

scrubbedexpat097 Nov 4th 2013 2:42 am

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Originally Posted by Speedwell (Post 10976095)
The results (removed too-big photo): https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.n...58122468_o.jpg Homemade tartar sauce there; I hate the sweet gooey crap so I made a spicy, rich version with fresh lemon juice, sour cornichons, a few pickled jalapenos, shallots, and parsley :)

:goodpost:

Well done that lady:thumbup:

Bob Nov 4th 2013 2:52 am

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Originally Posted by Speedwell (Post 10976095)
The results (removed too-big photo): https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.n...58122468_o.jpg Homemade tartar sauce there; I hate the sweet gooey crap so I made a spicy, rich version with fresh lemon juice, sour cornichons, a few pickled jalapenos, shallots, and parsley :)

The chips look amazing! What kind of spuds did you get?

Around here, it's pretty much russets and that's about it at the moment. During the summer, there's the Maine spuds, which are a bit more white and less firm or the expensive red spuds.

One thing I miss is the battered sausages.

Speedwell Nov 4th 2013 3:30 am

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Originally Posted by Bob (Post 10976131)
The chips look amazing! What kind of spuds did you get?

Around here, it's pretty much russets and that's about it at the moment. During the summer, there's the Maine spuds, which are a bit more white and less firm or the expensive red spuds.

One thing I miss is the battered sausages.

Some sort of rock-hard, medium-sized, smooth-skinned white potato that DH says is the kind the chip shops use, not a russet but a boiling potato type of thing. I got that kind totally by accident; the market was out of the gold kind he likes to get! He did mention battered sausages as the next thing he wants to make. I have a feeling the purchase of the fryer was of the same ilk as the age-old "buy the wife a power drill for Christmas" stunt. :)

sir_eccles Nov 4th 2013 4:10 am

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Originally Posted by Speedwell (Post 10976095)
The results (removed too-big photo): https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.n...58122468_o.jpg Homemade tartar sauce there; I hate the sweet gooey crap so I made a spicy, rich version with fresh lemon juice, sour cornichons, a few pickled jalapenos, shallots, and parsley :)

Can I come round your house for dinner?

Mr Weeze Nov 4th 2013 4:15 am

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You can actually do a bunch of chips and part fry then freeze them. Double cooking is meant to be nicer anyway, can't say I've ever noticed the difference though.

Weeze Nov 4th 2013 5:19 am

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That looks fab.

It's such a fish and chips kind of a day....

Ruth16 Nov 4th 2013 5:44 am

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Originally Posted by Mr Weeze (Post 10976220)
You can actually do a bunch of chips and part fry then freeze them. Double cooking is meant to be nicer anyway, can't say I've ever noticed the difference though.

Double cooking,s the only way to get good fries

Mr Weeze Nov 4th 2013 5:54 am

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Originally Posted by Ruth16 (Post 10976343)
Double cooking,s the only way to get good fries

Mine always seem to be a touch overdone that way. Maybe I should turn the oil down a bit for the second cooking?

steveq Nov 4th 2013 5:55 am

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Originally Posted by Ruth16 (Post 10976343)
Double cooking,s the only way to get good fries

The really poncy method Is to parboil them, cool them, dry them and then fry them twice.....

I have determined that life is way too short....

steveq Nov 4th 2013 5:57 am

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Originally Posted by Mr Weeze (Post 10976358)
Mine always seem to be a touch overdone that way. Maybe I should turn the oil down a bit for the second cooking?

most if the cooking should be done at a lower temperature than the final stage - that's when the crisping happens, and it doesn't take long.

Speedwell Nov 4th 2013 6:35 am

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Originally Posted by steveq (Post 10976360)
The really poncy method Is to parboil them, cool them, dry them and then fry them twice.....

I have determined that life is way too short....

My husband told me about that. I actually didn't believe him. He laughed when I asked him what desperate person with too much time on their hands thought up that one. I expect the next iteration of the recipe to specify which tune I need to whistle in what key as I stand on my head facing North while the chips fry.

I also think that soufleed potatoes, with its best-case 50-percent success rate, is what perfectionists are forced to cook in Hell.

Ruth16 Nov 4th 2013 6:43 am

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Is lard better to do fish&chips than oil ? I've never tried Lard , whats the difference if any ?

steveq Nov 4th 2013 6:57 am

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Originally Posted by Ruth16 (Post 10976423)
Is lard better to do fish&chips than oil ? I've never tried Lard , whats the difference if any ?

mainly that they ain't vegetarian anymore....

Shezi59 Nov 4th 2013 6:59 am

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Originally Posted by Ruth16 (Post 10976343)
Double cooking,s the only way to get good fries

'Tis true, all the decent chip shops do it - they call it 'blanching' and will say that's how you get the soft fluffy centre (it also works for roast potatoes by 'par-boiling' before roasting).

Lard is out-dated, the od-fashioned stuff is made from animal fat (rather than veg) and is seriously high in cholesterol.

Before I left the UK, I'd started using something called PURA which was in a big solid block like the lard my mum used, but it was vegetable fat. Can't find it anywhere down here in TN. I prefer it in a fryer because solidified fat is easier to store than oil.

sir_eccles Nov 4th 2013 7:15 am

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Originally Posted by Shezi59 (Post 10976440)
(it also works for roast potatoes by 'par-boiling' before roasting).

One of several reasons that I fell in love with my wife, her roast potatoes.

kimilseung Nov 4th 2013 7:15 am

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:The chips look perfect, the fish maybe a bit too thick on the batter, looks a tad stodgy. I think I agree on the open fryer, we always had one at home as a kid, but don't think I would do it now, because of fire risk.

Nutmegger Nov 4th 2013 7:19 am

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Originally Posted by Shezi59 (Post 10976440)

Before I left the UK, I'd started using something called PURA which was in a big solid block like the lard my mum used, but it was vegetable fat. Can't find it anywhere down here in TN. I prefer it in a fryer because solidified fat is easier to store than oil.

Sounds as if it could be similar to Crisco. At home the lard was always allowed to solidify in the pan in between frying sessions (mind you, that wasn't long, something was getting fried most days!) and the pan was put in a cupboard with the fat. I'm horrified at the thought these days . . .

Speedwell, you made me smile thinking of the time many years ago when I decided to cook fish and chips for two friends in my NYC kitchen. I only had one small fryer with a basket in it and it took so many frying sessions to get food on everyone's plate -- we basically had to eat in relays as I fried up a storm. Not a successful dinner party from the gourmet dining point of view, but one of those times you never forget!

Bink Nov 4th 2013 8:52 am

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Speedwell - it looks great. Nice job!


Originally Posted by steveq (Post 10976360)
The really poncy method Is to parboil them, cool them, dry them and then fry them twice.....

I have determined that life is way too short....

+1

Although I normally just par boil then fry mine as I don't have the patience. More often than not I just do sweet potato fries these days though which I just straight up fry.

I just fry in a deep saucepan with a basket. None of this deep fat electric fryer business! :p

Bink Nov 4th 2013 8:52 am

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Originally Posted by Weeze (Post 10976307)
That looks fab.

It's such a fish and chips kind of a day....

Ain't that the truth, it's miserable today.

civilservant Nov 4th 2013 8:59 am

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Originally Posted by Speedwell (Post 10976095)
The results (removed too-big photo): https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.n...58122468_o.jpg Homemade tartar sauce there; I hate the sweet gooey crap so I made a spicy, rich version with fresh lemon juice, sour cornichons, a few pickled jalapenos, shallots, and parsley :)

Where have you been all my life??? :thumbsup:

Steerpike Nov 4th 2013 4:40 pm

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"When I was a lad" ... growing up in the 60s, 'up north', we used lard in an open pan with a basket. no par-boiling, no pre-cooking. I used to peel the potatoes (big russets, I think) and cut them. I absolutely loved the chips and used to steal them out of the pan as they cooked!

I remember that when you dropped the basket full of potatoes into the hot oil, the oil would react violently and almost boil over ... and that's the fire hazard, I presume. But hell, they were good cooked that way!

I don't eat fried fish or chips on a regular basis these days, partly because I want to live longer, partly because my taste-buds have 'moved on' ... so I wouldn't care about the health aspects of using lard once in a while.

scrubbedexpat097 Nov 4th 2013 11:50 pm

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Originally Posted by Steerpike (Post 10976990)
"When I was a lad" ... growing up in the 60s, 'up north', we used lard in an open pan with a basket. no par-boiling, no pre-cooking. I used to peel the potatoes (big russets, I think) and cut them. I absolutely loved the chips and used to steal them out of the pan as they cooked!

I remember that when you dropped the basket full of potatoes into the hot oil, the oil would react violently and almost boil over ... and that's the fire hazard, I presume. But hell, they were good cooked that way!

I don't eat fried fish or chips on a regular basis these days, partly because I want to live longer, partly because my taste-buds have 'moved on' ... so I wouldn't care about the health aspects of using lard once in a while.


:goodpost:

..and all doors and windows had to be opened to air out the greasy smell afterwards:lol:

Yorkieabroad Nov 5th 2013 12:57 am

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Originally Posted by Sugarmooma (Post 10977392)
:goodpost:

..and all doors and windows had to be opened to air out the greasy smell afterwards:lol:

And the outside of the pan acquired a nasty grungy brown coating....:unsure: one thing was for sure, the chip pan never doubled up for the bedtime milk!!

Yorkieabroad Nov 5th 2013 1:24 am

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Originally Posted by Steerpike (Post 10976990)

I don't eat fried fish or chips on a regular basis these days, partly because I want to live longer, partly because my taste-buds have 'moved on' ... so I wouldn't care about the health aspects of using lard once in a while.

I'm the same....I eat a pretty low fat diet these days (not that it's doing me much good!) but my first meal back when visiting my mam is always fish and chips...always delicious, but the effect of that unexpected assault of lard-fried batter on my inner workings is not pleasant....:(

Speedwell Nov 5th 2013 1:37 am

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Originally Posted by civilservant (Post 10976596)
Where have you been all my life??? :thumbsup:

All YOUR life? Dyeing my hair to cover the gray. :rofl:

No seriously, thanks :D It was a surprise to see that tartar sauce was actually a legitimately edible substance...

Thanks everyone else too for the confidence-boosting compliments and helpful ideas :)

Bob Nov 5th 2013 3:19 am

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Originally Posted by Yorkieabroad (Post 10977491)
And the outside of the pan acquired a nasty grungy brown coating....:unsure: one thing was for sure, the chip pan never doubled up for the bedtime milk!!

But back in the day, you could go to Woolworths and buy a replacement for a quid.

Back in Uni, we didn't even bother wash the fry pan up, would just chuck it out and get a new one every few weeks...eerrr...months :D

Yorkieabroad Nov 5th 2013 3:22 am

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Originally Posted by Bob (Post 10977667)
Back in Uni, we didn't even bother wash the fry pan up, would just chuck it out and get a new one every few weeks...eerrr...months :D

It added character....or was it "culture"....:lol:

Yorkieabroad Nov 5th 2013 3:23 am

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Originally Posted by Speedwell (Post 10977530)
It was a surprise to see that tartar sauce was actually a legitimately edible substance...

It isn't!!

There is no way tartar sauce should come anywhere near real fish and chips.

Newspaper, Salt, Vinegar, Fingers. Nothing else.

Nutek Nov 5th 2013 3:28 am

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Originally Posted by Yorkieabroad (Post 10977675)
It isn't!!

There is no way tartar sauce should come anywhere near real fish and chips.

Newspaper, Salt, Vinegar, Fingers. Nothing else.

Thank you!

:goodpost:

Yorkieabroad Nov 5th 2013 3:35 am

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Actually, I guess technically the newspaper doesn't actually touch
...it's the white butchers paper (or whatever it is) that does the job. But last time back, our local chippy had gone to serving in boxes:eek: the owner reckoned it was an EU directive, but not sure if that's true or not. At least he tried to make up for it by having newsprint on the outside of the boxes:lol:not quite the same though....


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