execution of Stanley 'Tookie' Williams..
#31
Re: execution of Stanley 'Tookie' Williams..
Originally Posted by BigDavyG
That's a good point. I have to say that many people who commit such crimes probably aren't capable of thinking 10 seconds into the future so they prob don't realise what they're letting themselves in for.
That said, I'm not trying to justify the dp, just explain the reasoning behind it. If you let a significant proportion of the people sentanced to death off then there's no point in having it as a punishment.
Whether its justifiable to have it as a punishment in the first place is another matter entirely.
That said, I'm not trying to justify the dp, just explain the reasoning behind it. If you let a significant proportion of the people sentanced to death off then there's no point in having it as a punishment.
Whether its justifiable to have it as a punishment in the first place is another matter entirely.
#32
Re: execution of Stanley 'Tookie' Williams..
Originally Posted by CarlM
I think you hit the nail on the head there, at the moment the crime is commited, people arent thinking of the possible retribution.. its the cold light of day when they suddenly develop the 'oh sh*t' factor!
#33
Joined: Oct 2002
Posts: 1,750
Re: execution of Stanley 'Tookie' Williams..
The bible is a bit like statistics, you can use it to prove what you want. Having never looked at it outside school, I had to dig a little! Here's some apt quotes:
Exodus 21:23-25 -- If any harm follows, then you shall give life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, burn for burn, wound for wound, stripe for stripe.
Leviticus 24:19-20 -- Anyone who maims another shall suffer the same injury in return: fracture for fracture, eye for eye, tooth for tooth; the injury inflicted is the injury to be suffered.
Deuteronomy 19:21 -- Show no pity: life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot.
Exodus 21:23-25 -- If any harm follows, then you shall give life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, burn for burn, wound for wound, stripe for stripe.
Leviticus 24:19-20 -- Anyone who maims another shall suffer the same injury in return: fracture for fracture, eye for eye, tooth for tooth; the injury inflicted is the injury to be suffered.
Deuteronomy 19:21 -- Show no pity: life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot.
#34
Lost in BE Cyberspace
Joined: Feb 2004
Posts: 14,578
Re: execution of Stanley 'Tookie' Williams..
Originally Posted by CarlM
I think you hit the nail on the head there, at the moment the crime is commited, people arent thinking of the possible retribution.. its the cold light of day when they suddenly develop the 'oh sh*t' factor!
Its a completely different way of thinking to mainstream society.
#35
Lost in BE Cyberspace
Joined: Feb 2004
Posts: 14,578
Re: execution of Stanley 'Tookie' Williams..
Originally Posted by Chorlton
The bible is a bit like statistics, you can use it to prove what you want. Having never looked at it outside school, I had to dig a little! Here's some apt quotes:
Exodus 21:23-25 -- If any harm follows, then you shall give life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, burn for burn, wound for wound, stripe for stripe.
Leviticus 24:19-20 -- Anyone who maims another shall suffer the same injury in return: fracture for fracture, eye for eye, tooth for tooth; the injury inflicted is the injury to be suffered.
Deuteronomy 19:21 -- Show no pity: life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot.
Exodus 21:23-25 -- If any harm follows, then you shall give life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, burn for burn, wound for wound, stripe for stripe.
Leviticus 24:19-20 -- Anyone who maims another shall suffer the same injury in return: fracture for fracture, eye for eye, tooth for tooth; the injury inflicted is the injury to be suffered.
Deuteronomy 19:21 -- Show no pity: life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot.
#36
Re: execution of Stanley 'Tookie' Williams..
Originally Posted by anotherlimey
these types of people
#37
Re: execution of Stanley 'Tookie' Williams..
Originally Posted by anotherlimey
So really we should shoot him in the back from point blank range and dance over his body.
#38
Lost in BE Cyberspace
Joined: Feb 2004
Posts: 14,578
Re: execution of Stanley 'Tookie' Williams..
Originally Posted by BigDavyG
Err, you're on very thin ice here - be extremely careful :scared:
Like the one that shot the entertainment exec who lived next door to our friend from TN.
#39
I approved this message
Joined: Dec 2004
Location: Chicago
Posts: 2,425
Re: execution of Stanley 'Tookie' Williams..
Originally Posted by CarlM
I think you hit the nail on the head there, at the moment the crime is commited, people arent thinking of the possible retribution.. its the cold light of day when they suddenly develop the 'oh sh*t' factor!
I'm not for the death penalty, but it is the law and he was convicted. He's also a very manupulative person (as others have pointed out) who's never accepted culpability for his crimes. NPR (for one) has been portraying him as some kind of saint and he's far, far from it.
Stand-by for:
1. people blaming the Governator for "killing" Tookie
2. people playing the race card
3. Europeans tut-tutting at the barbaric Americans (haw!)
#40
Joined: Oct 2002
Posts: 1,750
Re: execution of Stanley 'Tookie' Williams..
Originally Posted by anotherlimey
So really we should shoot him in the back from point blank range and dance over his body.
#41
Lost in BE Cyberspace
Joined: Feb 2004
Posts: 14,578
Re: execution of Stanley 'Tookie' Williams..
Originally Posted by Chorlton
Dont get out of your pram mate (I've been waiting to say that for so long in the US) . I was making a reference to our Christian society and how the Bible texts can be selected to show anything, thats all. No opinions of mine expressed in that particular post.
#42
Mr. Grumpy
Joined: Jun 2003
Location: Nashville, TN
Posts: 3,100
Re: execution of Stanley 'Tookie' Williams..
Originally Posted by anotherlimey
Yes perhaps I should clarify - I meant gang members etc....
Like the one that shot the entertainment exec who lived next door to our friend from TN.
Like the one that shot the entertainment exec who lived next door to our friend from TN.
I am so over thuggish behaviour
I just read an article on 'Young buck' (member of 50 cents G-unit) who is a nashville native
this guy is a complete f**king thug
ex-drug dealer and has a bunch of dodgy incidents to his name. I think he should be in prison, as aside from the issues he is directly involved in, his music poisons the minds of kids
#43
Joined: Oct 2002
Posts: 1,750
Re: execution of Stanley 'Tookie' Williams..
Originally Posted by anotherlimey
I wasn't really adressing you, just responding to the phrases you posted - they reminded me of the open letter on abortion (?) that was posted last week.
mkay, DM
#44
Re: execution of Stanley 'Tookie' Williams..
Originally Posted by BritGuyTN
Yes
I am so over thuggish behaviour
I just read an article on 'Young buck' (member of 50 cents G-unit) who is a nashville native
this guy is a complete f**king thug
ex-drug dealer and has a bunch of dodgy incidents to his name. I think he should be in prison, as aside from the issues he is directly involved in, his music poisons the minds of kids
I am so over thuggish behaviour
I just read an article on 'Young buck' (member of 50 cents G-unit) who is a nashville native
this guy is a complete f**king thug
ex-drug dealer and has a bunch of dodgy incidents to his name. I think he should be in prison, as aside from the issues he is directly involved in, his music poisons the minds of kids
I always find it amusing how especially in the US people are very good at distancing themselves from the various nasty ways that they make their cash.
#45
Joined: Oct 2002
Posts: 1,750
Re: execution of Stanley 'Tookie' Williams..
Originally Posted by BigDavyG
Before you read this please note that is in no way a comment on your neighbour (i know he worked in theindustry), but if you have a problem with this rapper you need to look at the grubby little b*st*rds in suits behind the scenes who have decided that this lifestyle sells well. Without the backing of record companies these guys will just sink back into the swamp from whence they came.
I always find it amusing how especially in the US people are very good at distancing themselves from the various nasty ways that they make their cash.
I always find it amusing how especially in the US people are very good at distancing themselves from the various nasty ways that they make their cash.
Thats because they go to church every sunday and their sins are washed away