Driver License issues
Jun 21st 2003, 4:24 pm
#1
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Driver License issues
Question: I am currently staying with my aunt in Alhambra. She is
senior citizen who has very bad backache and know nothing about
English. She is living by herself, I have to stay here to provide the
help till she get the senior house.
I am Canadian Citizen, but I do not have my Canadian driver license
except the learning one. There serveral question I need ask you:
1.Is there any way that I can get your state driver license?
2.Because I don't have the SSN, do I need get any special document
from you in order to apply SSN for driver license purpose?
3.If it is the case, what kind of document I need provided in order to
get that done?
4.Or since I have the learning license from Canada, can I drive when
other qualificated driver sit next to me?
Thanks for your time
senior citizen who has very bad backache and know nothing about
English. She is living by herself, I have to stay here to provide the
help till she get the senior house.
I am Canadian Citizen, but I do not have my Canadian driver license
except the learning one. There serveral question I need ask you:
1.Is there any way that I can get your state driver license?
2.Because I don't have the SSN, do I need get any special document
from you in order to apply SSN for driver license purpose?
3.If it is the case, what kind of document I need provided in order to
get that done?
4.Or since I have the learning license from Canada, can I drive when
other qualificated driver sit next to me?
Thanks for your time
Jun 21st 2003, 5:15 pm
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Re: Driver License issues
peter wrote:
>
> Question: I am currently staying with my aunt in Alhambra. She is
> senior citizen who has very bad backache and know nothing about
> English. She is living by herself, I have to stay here to provide the
> help till she get the senior house.
First, you are performing illegal work, even though it is a relative and
you're only "helping" them. This makes the status of your visit
illegal.
The scenario stinks but that's the law. She is in effect also paying
you by providing room and board which makes her also guilty of hiring an
alien without authorization.
> I am Canadian Citizen, but I do not have my Canadian driver license
> except the learning one. There serveral question I need ask you:
> 1.Is there any way that I can get your state driver license?
No, you're a visitor - you do not have residence in the US to get a DL.
> 2.Because I don't have the SSN, do I need get any special document
> from you in order to apply SSN for driver license purpose?
An SSN is NOT a legal requirement for a drivers license, although many
states try to make it one, and you cannot get an SSN as a visitor and
aren't entitled to a drivers license either. Your Canadian license is
valid for the 6 months you're legally permitted to visit the US.
> 3.If it is the case, what kind of document I need provided in order to
> get that done?
You can't.
>
> 4.Or since I have the learning license from Canada, can I drive when
> other qualificated driver sit next to me?
>
> Thanks for your time
>
> Question: I am currently staying with my aunt in Alhambra. She is
> senior citizen who has very bad backache and know nothing about
> English. She is living by herself, I have to stay here to provide the
> help till she get the senior house.
First, you are performing illegal work, even though it is a relative and
you're only "helping" them. This makes the status of your visit
illegal.
The scenario stinks but that's the law. She is in effect also paying
you by providing room and board which makes her also guilty of hiring an
alien without authorization.
> I am Canadian Citizen, but I do not have my Canadian driver license
> except the learning one. There serveral question I need ask you:
> 1.Is there any way that I can get your state driver license?
No, you're a visitor - you do not have residence in the US to get a DL.
> 2.Because I don't have the SSN, do I need get any special document
> from you in order to apply SSN for driver license purpose?
An SSN is NOT a legal requirement for a drivers license, although many
states try to make it one, and you cannot get an SSN as a visitor and
aren't entitled to a drivers license either. Your Canadian license is
valid for the 6 months you're legally permitted to visit the US.
> 3.If it is the case, what kind of document I need provided in order to
> get that done?
You can't.
>
> 4.Or since I have the learning license from Canada, can I drive when
> other qualificated driver sit next to me?
>
> Thanks for your time
Jun 21st 2003, 6:11 pm
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Re: Driver License issues
Very arguable to the least.
First he is not being paid, so he is not "working", he is helping her in
LIVING not in a business, or any way way helping them to run a business or
have a profit with anything.
Second, since when is it ilegal to have a relative giving you room and board
when you visit?? That would make +40% of tourist ilegal.
You see VERY often people from India that have the mother coming to the US
on a toursit visa to help with the first months of a newborn baby, as it
seem to be traditional there, yet that does not put them in an ilegal
status. I am certain if there would ever be a problem, the BCIS would not
see the situation as ilegal.
I mean, someone comes to the US visit a aunt for a few weeks, during that
time, that person being educated helps around setting the table and doing
the dishes after dinner, does that places this person in an ilegal status ??
I think not.
He would be in an ilegal situation if he was providing some sort of
specialized health care, like some therapy or massages she would need, and
from what he say I am assuming he is not.
JC
"S B" wrote in message
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> peter wrote:
> >
> > Question: I am currently staying with my aunt in Alhambra. She is
> > senior citizen who has very bad backache and know nothing about
> > English. She is living by herself, I have to stay here to provide the
> > help till she get the senior house.
> First, you are performing illegal work, even though it is a relative and
> you're only "helping" them. This makes the status of your visit
> illegal.
> The scenario stinks but that's the law. She is in effect also paying
> you by providing room and board which makes her also guilty of hiring an
> alien without authorization.
> > I am Canadian Citizen, but I do not have my Canadian driver license
> > except the learning one. There serveral question I need ask you:
> > 1.Is there any way that I can get your state driver license?
> No, you're a visitor - you do not have residence in the US to get a DL.
> > 2.Because I don't have the SSN, do I need get any special document
> > from you in order to apply SSN for driver license purpose?
> An SSN is NOT a legal requirement for a drivers license, although many
> states try to make it one, and you cannot get an SSN as a visitor and
> aren't entitled to a drivers license either. Your Canadian license is
> valid for the 6 months you're legally permitted to visit the US.
> > 3.If it is the case, what kind of document I need provided in order to
> > get that done?
> You can't.
> >
> > 4.Or since I have the learning license from Canada, can I drive when
> > other qualificated driver sit next to me?
> >
> > Thanks for your time
First he is not being paid, so he is not "working", he is helping her in
LIVING not in a business, or any way way helping them to run a business or
have a profit with anything.
Second, since when is it ilegal to have a relative giving you room and board
when you visit?? That would make +40% of tourist ilegal.
You see VERY often people from India that have the mother coming to the US
on a toursit visa to help with the first months of a newborn baby, as it
seem to be traditional there, yet that does not put them in an ilegal
status. I am certain if there would ever be a problem, the BCIS would not
see the situation as ilegal.
I mean, someone comes to the US visit a aunt for a few weeks, during that
time, that person being educated helps around setting the table and doing
the dishes after dinner, does that places this person in an ilegal status ??
I think not.
He would be in an ilegal situation if he was providing some sort of
specialized health care, like some therapy or massages she would need, and
from what he say I am assuming he is not.
JC
"S B" wrote in message
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> peter wrote:
> >
> > Question: I am currently staying with my aunt in Alhambra. She is
> > senior citizen who has very bad backache and know nothing about
> > English. She is living by herself, I have to stay here to provide the
> > help till she get the senior house.
> First, you are performing illegal work, even though it is a relative and
> you're only "helping" them. This makes the status of your visit
> illegal.
> The scenario stinks but that's the law. She is in effect also paying
> you by providing room and board which makes her also guilty of hiring an
> alien without authorization.
> > I am Canadian Citizen, but I do not have my Canadian driver license
> > except the learning one. There serveral question I need ask you:
> > 1.Is there any way that I can get your state driver license?
> No, you're a visitor - you do not have residence in the US to get a DL.
> > 2.Because I don't have the SSN, do I need get any special document
> > from you in order to apply SSN for driver license purpose?
> An SSN is NOT a legal requirement for a drivers license, although many
> states try to make it one, and you cannot get an SSN as a visitor and
> aren't entitled to a drivers license either. Your Canadian license is
> valid for the 6 months you're legally permitted to visit the US.
> > 3.If it is the case, what kind of document I need provided in order to
> > get that done?
> You can't.
> >
> > 4.Or since I have the learning license from Canada, can I drive when
> > other qualificated driver sit next to me?
> >
> > Thanks for your time
Jun 21st 2003, 6:17 pm
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Re: Driver License issues
>Subject: Driver License issues
>From: [email protected] (peter)
>Date: 6/21/03 12:24 PM Eastern Daylight Time
>Message-id:
>Question: I am currently staying with my aunt in Alhambra. She is
>senior citizen who has very bad backache and know nothing about
>English. She is living by herself, I have to stay here to provide the
I thought the Alhambra was in Spain...where in the US is it?
>From: [email protected] (peter)
>Date: 6/21/03 12:24 PM Eastern Daylight Time
>Message-id:
>Question: I am currently staying with my aunt in Alhambra. She is
>senior citizen who has very bad backache and know nothing about
>English. She is living by herself, I have to stay here to provide the
I thought the Alhambra was in Spain...where in the US is it?
Jun 21st 2003, 8:05 pm
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Re: Driver License issues
JC wrote:
>
> Very arguable to the least.
> First he is not being paid, so he is not "working", he is helping her in
> LIVING not in a business, or any way way helping them to run a business or
> have a profit with anything.
Being PAID is nothing to do with it. The argument is that if there
isn't an American volunteer to help her, then she would have to pay an
American to provide assistance. He is taking the job of an American.
It's assinine, I agree, but it is the law.
> Second, since when is it ilegal to have a relative giving you room and board
> when you visit?? That would make +40% of tourist ilegal.
Nothing wrong with the room and board for a visitor ... but if you're
working for the relative, then the room and board is considered payment
in kind.
> You see VERY often people from India that have the mother coming to the US
> on a toursit visa to help with the first months of a newborn baby, as it
> seem to be traditional there, yet that does not put them in an ilegal
> status. I am certain if there would ever be a problem, the BCIS would not
> see the situation as ilegal.
Just because you *see* it, does not make it legal. The excuse is that
they are just going to visit. It may be traditional in India but US
immigration law applies. Sure, no INS officer is going to go chase them
because they change the odd diaper. BUT if the arrangement is mum comes
in to be a nanny so son and daughter can get back to their own
employment, this is illegal.
> I mean, someone comes to the US visit a aunt for a few weeks, during that
> time, that person being educated helps around setting the table and doing
> the dishes after dinner, does that places this person in an ilegal status ??
> I think not.
If the person being helped is incapable, then yes, it does. They should
be hiring homecare provided by an American.
> He would be in an ilegal situation if he was providing some sort of
> specialized health care, like some therapy or massages she would need, and
> from what he say I am assuming he is not.
Doesn't need to be specialized health care.
>
> Very arguable to the least.
> First he is not being paid, so he is not "working", he is helping her in
> LIVING not in a business, or any way way helping them to run a business or
> have a profit with anything.
Being PAID is nothing to do with it. The argument is that if there
isn't an American volunteer to help her, then she would have to pay an
American to provide assistance. He is taking the job of an American.
It's assinine, I agree, but it is the law.
> Second, since when is it ilegal to have a relative giving you room and board
> when you visit?? That would make +40% of tourist ilegal.
Nothing wrong with the room and board for a visitor ... but if you're
working for the relative, then the room and board is considered payment
in kind.
> You see VERY often people from India that have the mother coming to the US
> on a toursit visa to help with the first months of a newborn baby, as it
> seem to be traditional there, yet that does not put them in an ilegal
> status. I am certain if there would ever be a problem, the BCIS would not
> see the situation as ilegal.
Just because you *see* it, does not make it legal. The excuse is that
they are just going to visit. It may be traditional in India but US
immigration law applies. Sure, no INS officer is going to go chase them
because they change the odd diaper. BUT if the arrangement is mum comes
in to be a nanny so son and daughter can get back to their own
employment, this is illegal.
> I mean, someone comes to the US visit a aunt for a few weeks, during that
> time, that person being educated helps around setting the table and doing
> the dishes after dinner, does that places this person in an ilegal status ??
> I think not.
If the person being helped is incapable, then yes, it does. They should
be hiring homecare provided by an American.
> He would be in an ilegal situation if he was providing some sort of
> specialized health care, like some therapy or massages she would need, and
> from what he say I am assuming he is not.
Doesn't need to be specialized health care.
Jun 21st 2003, 10:33 pm
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Re: Driver License issues
Anyway.. thank for the advice. I don't think I am in "working" status
now, I am not earning any profit or providing professional care to my
relative... since she not speak English at all, I am only here to help
her organize the English documents, and calling gov agent to clarify
piles of history questions -
. Just without driver license make me
not easy to commute... that's all.. even no bother for me willing to
stay US...
Thanks for all your time
S B wrote in message news:...
> peter wrote:
> >
> > Question: I am currently staying with my aunt in Alhambra. She is
> > senior citizen who has very bad backache and know nothing about
> > English. She is living by herself, I have to stay here to provide the
> > help till she get the senior house.
>
> First, you are performing illegal work, even though it is a relative and
> you're only "helping" them. This makes the status of your visit
> illegal.
>
> The scenario stinks but that's the law. She is in effect also paying
> you by providing room and board which makes her also guilty of hiring an
> alien without authorization.
>
> > I am Canadian Citizen, but I do not have my Canadian driver license
> > except the learning one. There serveral question I need ask you:
> > 1.Is there any way that I can get your state driver license?
>
> No, you're a visitor - you do not have residence in the US to get a DL.
>
> > 2.Because I don't have the SSN, do I need get any special document
> > from you in order to apply SSN for driver license purpose?
>
> An SSN is NOT a legal requirement for a drivers license, although many
> states try to make it one, and you cannot get an SSN as a visitor and
> aren't entitled to a drivers license either. Your Canadian license is
> valid for the 6 months you're legally permitted to visit the US.
>
> > 3.If it is the case, what kind of document I need provided in order to
> > get that done?
>
> You can't.
>
>
> >
> > 4.Or since I have the learning license from Canada, can I drive when
> > other qualificated driver sit next to me?
> >
> > Thanks for your time
now, I am not earning any profit or providing professional care to my
relative... since she not speak English at all, I am only here to help
her organize the English documents, and calling gov agent to clarify
piles of history questions -
. Just without driver license make menot easy to commute... that's all.. even no bother for me willing to
stay US...
Thanks for all your time
S B wrote in message news:...
> peter wrote:
> >
> > Question: I am currently staying with my aunt in Alhambra. She is
> > senior citizen who has very bad backache and know nothing about
> > English. She is living by herself, I have to stay here to provide the
> > help till she get the senior house.
>
> First, you are performing illegal work, even though it is a relative and
> you're only "helping" them. This makes the status of your visit
> illegal.
>
> The scenario stinks but that's the law. She is in effect also paying
> you by providing room and board which makes her also guilty of hiring an
> alien without authorization.
>
> > I am Canadian Citizen, but I do not have my Canadian driver license
> > except the learning one. There serveral question I need ask you:
> > 1.Is there any way that I can get your state driver license?
>
> No, you're a visitor - you do not have residence in the US to get a DL.
>
> > 2.Because I don't have the SSN, do I need get any special document
> > from you in order to apply SSN for driver license purpose?
>
> An SSN is NOT a legal requirement for a drivers license, although many
> states try to make it one, and you cannot get an SSN as a visitor and
> aren't entitled to a drivers license either. Your Canadian license is
> valid for the 6 months you're legally permitted to visit the US.
>
> > 3.If it is the case, what kind of document I need provided in order to
> > get that done?
>
> You can't.
>
>
> >
> > 4.Or since I have the learning license from Canada, can I drive when
> > other qualificated driver sit next to me?
> >
> > Thanks for your time
Jun 21st 2003, 10:54 pm
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Re: Driver License issues
peter wrote:
>
> Anyway.. thank for the advice. I don't think I am in "working" status
> now, I am not earning any profit or providing professional care to my
> relative... since she not speak English at all, I am only here to help
> her organize the English documents, and calling gov agent to clarify
> piles of history questions -. Just without driver license make me
> not easy to commute... that's all.. even no bother for me willing to
> stay US...
>
> Thanks for all your time
Just so you're clear ... you don't have to "earn" money or providing
professional care to be considered "working".
>
> Anyway.. thank for the advice. I don't think I am in "working" status
> now, I am not earning any profit or providing professional care to my
> relative... since she not speak English at all, I am only here to help
> her organize the English documents, and calling gov agent to clarify
> piles of history questions -
. Just without driver license make me> not easy to commute... that's all.. even no bother for me willing to
> stay US...
>
> Thanks for all your time
Just so you're clear ... you don't have to "earn" money or providing
professional care to be considered "working".
Jun 22nd 2003, 3:01 am
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Re: Driver License issues
LA, California.
"Hnchoksi" wrote in message
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> >Subject: Driver License issues
> >From: [email protected] (peter)
> >Date: 6/21/03 12:24 PM Eastern Daylight Time
> >Message-id:
> >
> >Question: I am currently staying with my aunt in Alhambra. She is
> >senior citizen who has very bad backache and know nothing about
> >English. She is living by herself, I have to stay here to provide the
> >
> I thought the Alhambra was in Spain...where in the US is it?
"Hnchoksi" wrote in message
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> >Subject: Driver License issues
> >From: [email protected] (peter)
> >Date: 6/21/03 12:24 PM Eastern Daylight Time
> >Message-id:
> >
> >Question: I am currently staying with my aunt in Alhambra. She is
> >senior citizen who has very bad backache and know nothing about
> >English. She is living by herself, I have to stay here to provide the
> >
> I thought the Alhambra was in Spain...where in the US is it?
