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Old Jul 2nd 2010, 8:11 pm
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Originally Posted by chartreuse
I'm less certain. The counter argument is that people don't commit crimes in the expectation of being caught. Of course, then it becomes a question of perception and calculation of probabilities and risk, a complex calculus which we know folks are notoriously poor at.
Whatever.

Some people keep their nose clean, not because they are honest and good and moral, but rather solely because the consequences are too costly. I do not think this is necessarily the vast majority of the population though ... that's why I worded my response the way that I did.

EDIT TO ADD: To clarify, I'm also including in this example people who have had brushes with the law yet never reoffend.

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Old Jul 2nd 2010, 8:22 pm
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It would freak me out being handcuffed. It's also humiliating.
Which is why I always carry a standard handcuff key on the inside of my belt, which is just the perfect height for access should one be unfortunate enough to be detained. Undetectable too.

So here's a thought - how would you restrain a one armed suspect? Cuff his hand to his belt loop? Not strong enough. A belt? Kind of defeats the purpose.
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Originally Posted by Octang Frye
It would freak me out being handcuffed. It's also humiliating.
Which is why I always carry a standard handcuff key on the inside of my belt, which is just the perfect height for access should one be unfortunate enough to be detained. Undetectable too.

So here's a thought - how would you restrain a one armed suspect? Cuff his hand to his belt loop? Not strong enough. A belt? Kind of defeats the purpose.
I actually believe that humiliation is a very effective crime deterrent.

One arm? Handcuff the hand to the opposite leg. That would be pretty humiliating.
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Originally Posted by Octang Frye
So here's a thought - how would you restrain a one armed suspect? Cuff his hand to his belt loop? Not strong enough. A belt? Kind of defeats the purpose.
Just give him some paper to hang, should keep him busy.
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Old Jul 2nd 2010, 8:40 pm
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I actually believe that humiliation is a very effective crime deterrent.

One arm? Handcuff the hand to the opposite leg. That would be pretty humiliating.
That's not going to work. A handcuff won't go around someone's ankle. Leg cuffs are bigger.

Plus, how would the suspect sit in the Crown Vic on the way to the station?
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I shouldn't go here, but what about thalidomide?
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I shouldn't go here, but what about thalidomide?
Well it's not like they're such a threat that they really need to be restrained. I mean what can they do?
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They can speak. Hitler whipped a whole country into a frenzy using the written and spoken word. Free speech can be very dangerous.
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Originally Posted by Octang Frye
That's not going to work. A handcuff won't go around someone's ankle. Leg cuffs are bigger.

Plus, how would the suspect sit in the Crown Vic on the way to the station?
You could hook the handcuff to the leg cuff. Sort of like they do when they use five sets of handcuffs on huge fat people.
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Originally Posted by Octang Frye
They can speak. Hitler whipped a whole country into a frenzy using the written and spoken word. Free speech can be very dangerous.
Just stuff something in their mouths then - it's not like they can stop you. And gouge out their eyes to be safe.
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But they could choke. They have those spit hoods. Perhaps a ring-gag.
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Originally Posted by Octang Frye
That's not going to work. A handcuff won't go around someone's ankle. Leg cuffs are bigger.

Plus, how would the suspect sit in the Crown Vic on the way to the station?
Dying out breed aren't they?
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But they could choke. They have those spit hoods. Perhaps a ring-gag.
What?!?!
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Dying out breed aren't they?
Yes, I think they stop production in 2011. The Crown Vic has an independent chassis, not monocoque. Can handle a lot of abuse.
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So here's a thought - how would you restrain a one armed suspect? Cuff his hand to his belt loop? Not strong enough. A belt? Kind of defeats the purpose.
Originally Posted by Octang Frye
I shouldn't go here, but what about thalidomide?
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Yes, I think they stop production in 2011. The Crown Vic has an independent chassis, not monocoque. Can handle a lot of abuse.
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