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woodsey Sep 28th 2005 8:47 am

Re: Circumcision
 

Originally Posted by NJ_Dave
Maybe that's why 85% (or whatever the statistic was) of American boys have had the chop: they just can't be trusted with foreskin :D

yes it obviously starts at a very young age this fascination men have with putting things in places they shouldn't put things in.. :eek:

Celtic_Angel Sep 28th 2005 8:50 am

Re: Circumcision
 

Originally Posted by NJ_Dave
Maybe that's why 85% (or whatever the statistic was) of American boys have had the chop: they just can't be trusted with foreskin :D

you know I heard the Army introduced it to discourage masturbation....wonder if there's any truth in it?....also to bring up a post of lions.....no foreskin = less masturbation?= crazy serial killers? :confused:


food for thought...but hold the cheese :p :D

Manc Sep 28th 2005 8:52 am

Re: Circumcision
 
what've people got against wanking?

I think it's ace.

Ray Sep 28th 2005 8:57 am

Re: Circumcision
 

Originally Posted by Manc
what've people got against wanking?
I think it's ace.

I agree ..it seems to be a fond memory .. ..I think ..

Angry White Pyjamas Sep 28th 2005 8:58 am

Re: Circumcision
 

Originally Posted by Ray
I was not talking about yours

Er yeah. I kinda spotted that. Hence the quote in ref to the RID part of his name and the fact he's been circumcised.. But now i've explained it it kind loses the punch so never mind.

Angry White Pyjamas Sep 28th 2005 9:00 am

Re: Circumcision
 

Originally Posted by Celtic_Angel
you know I heard the Army introduced it to discourage masturbation....wonder if there's any truth in it?....also to bring up a post of lions.....no foreskin = less masturbation?= crazy serial killers? :confused:


food for thought...but hold the cheese :p :D

Maybe you're confusing Circumcision with the taking of Bromide? I hope the army docs didnt also make that same potentially painful mistake. :scared:

Wintersong Sep 28th 2005 9:02 am

Re: Circumcision
 

Originally Posted by mrcusa
There are NO medical benefits.

It is purely a religious and/or strange custom, in the same way female genital mutilation is practised by some African tribes.

Not strictly speaking true. Many studies have shown medical benefits. However, the fact is that the infections etc which are supposedly reduced by circumcision are pretty rare to begin with (UTIs in small boys, penile cancer etc etc).

Besides which, it seems to me like shoehorning the facts to fit (i.e. circumcision has been around for ages, they are only now doing studies which show medical benefits and are trying to use that as a justification for the act) - it certainly didn't start off for medical reasons. I remember reading somewhere that the origins of male circumcision may be in child sacrifice... did anyone else read the same thing? :eek:

We stopped routinely docking puppy dog tails because it was seen as inhumane and cruel, despite the fact that pro- tail dockers were touting medical reasons (docked tails don't get caught, broken or gnawed on by rats blah blah). Do you think we'll ever manage to get around to making the same decision for human babies?

Celtic_Angel Sep 28th 2005 9:05 am

Re: Circumcision
 

Originally Posted by Manc
what've people got against wanking?

I think it's ace.

and it's free too!!! :D

anotherlimey Sep 28th 2005 9:08 am

Re: Circumcision
 

Originally Posted by Wintersong
Not strictly speaking true. Many studies have shown medical benefits. However, the fact is that the infections etc which are supposedly reduced by circumcision are pretty rare to begin with (UTIs in small boys, penile cancer etc etc).

Besides which, it seems to me like shoehorning the facts to fit (i.e. circumcision has been around for ages, they are only now doing studies which show medical benefits and are trying to use that as a justification for the act) - it certainly didn't start off for medical reasons. I remember reading somewhere that the origins of male circumcision may be in child sacrifice... did anyone else read the same thing? :eek:

We stopped routinely docking puppy dog tails because it was seen as inhumane and cruel, despite the fact that pro- tail dockers were touting medical reasons (docked tails don't get caught, broken or gnawed on by rats blah blah). Do you think we'll ever manage to get around to making the same decision for human babies?

When in doubt, Wiki it:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History...e_circumcision

Eskimo Sep 28th 2005 9:10 am

Re: Circumcision
 

Originally Posted by woodsey
I will confess though that the issue has concerned me when I think about how other kids or future girlfriends will react when he's older ..

why worry ? his penis is huge ... :D

snowbunny Sep 28th 2005 9:15 am

Re: Circumcision
 
Oh no..... not the circ wars.....

This is one of the most controversial subjects on the Internet. Because it involves the parents' religious and "medical" beliefs, and that decision is more or less permanently visited upon their infant son, it brings everyone out of the woodwork. Toss in the fact that it also affects the boy's future sex life and locker room talk, and ..... BOOOOOOOOOOOOOM

I am so glad to not have had to make this decision.

snowbunny Sep 28th 2005 9:27 am

Re: Circumcision
 

Originally Posted by anotherlimey

The one issue that is not mentioned in here is that the female partners of uncircumcised males who have HPV (genital warts, more common than you think) are more likely to develop the disease. HPV is by far the leading cause of cervical cancer, which can kill any woman who is old enough to be sexually active; it's why there are Pap smears and if those are misread by an overworked or lazy laboratory, women can and have died.

This is the ONLY reason I believe circ has an edge (ouch) on uncirc in terms of medicine. Of course, the male isn't promiscuous, then it isn't an issue.

I personally would not circ and leave it up to my son. Circing at an older age is not nearly as painful as some would have you believe. From the guys I know who have had it done, it sucks, but.... so does childbirth. If the boy wants to look like everyone else, he'll do it, or if more medical research turns up links to support it, etc.

snowbunny Sep 28th 2005 9:32 am

Re: Circumcision
 

Originally Posted by mrcusa
There are NO medical benefits.

It is purely a religious and/or strange custom, in the same way female genital mutilation is practised by some African tribes.

Erm, female genital mutilation is a much much more severe modification that leads to a life of constant pain and extremely high risks of death in childbirth, not to mention that the clitoris is removed, meaning No Orgasm Ever. That's a very very clear case of medical risk being higher *with* the "circumcision" than without. It is an atrocity which should be outlawed -- and which is carried out when a girl nears puberty, meaning she has every memory of being painfully violated.

There are extremely, extremely slight medical benefits to being circ'd but not overwhelmingly so. I say leave it up to the boy when he's older. Other than that, it is a religious issue. Just as female genital mutilation is outlawed in some countries, some people wish to outlaw non-medically-necessary male circumcision. I would not go that far, but I would not circ a son.

Angry White Pyjamas Sep 28th 2005 9:39 am

Re: Circumcision
 

Originally Posted by snowbunny
Erm, female genital mutilation is a much much more severe modification that leads to a life of constant pain and extremely high risks of death in childbirth, not to mention that the clitoris is removed, meaning No Orgasm Ever. That's a very very clear case of medical risk being higher *with* the "circumcision" than without. It is an atrocity which should be outlawed -- and which is carried out when a girl nears puberty, meaning she has every memory of being painfully violated.

There are extremely, extremely slight medical benefits to being circ'd but not overwhelmingly so. I say leave it up to the boy when he's older. Other than that, it is a religious issue. Just as female genital mutilation is outlawed in some countries, some people wish to outlaw non-medically-necessary male circumcision. I would not go that far, but I would not circ a son.

I would. I would also outlaw parents giving their kids stupidly inane and obviously ridiculous names which can lead to a life of torment and riducule for the poor child.

Celtic_Angel Sep 28th 2005 10:17 am

Re: Circumcision
 

Originally Posted by snowbunny
Erm, female genital mutilation is a much much more severe modification that leads to a life of constant pain and extremely high risks of death in childbirth, not to mention that the clitoris is removed, meaning No Orgasm Ever. .

yeah I don't think you can really compare female v's male circumcision.....it's like comparing having your tubes tied to having a vasectomy :rolleyes:

nowadays women can actually choose to get their pussy flaps trimmed :eek: , I saw on the t.v this doctor who does it for women who are unhappy with the size of their labia.....god damn it....do we have to be unhappy..with EVERY aspect of our bodies?? :rolleyes: :eek:


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