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Old Dec 30th 2005, 4:37 pm
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Originally Posted by Partystar
I never felt threatened & I remember an incident where they worked very well...
A comprehensive cctv system removed my civil liberties but facilitated the conviction of the horrendous crime of an addict nicking a bag of sweets from a shop. Where's the balance here?
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Originally Posted by fatbrit
Which is back to the argument we had during the death penalty debates. The only way you can control crime totally is with a totalitarian regime. If you don't choose to live under such a tyranny, the next best thing you can do is to prevent people becoming criminals with measures such as equality of opportunity, reducing poverty and education.
Noble thoughts FB but King Canute comes to my mind when reading the above.
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Originally Posted by anotherlimey
You might be onto something.... I never got robbed in Cuba!

<-- added for Echelon's analysts.

I believe the crime rate is even lower in Saudi :scared:
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Old Dec 30th 2005, 4:39 pm
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Originally Posted by anotherlimey
You might be onto something.... I never got robbed in Cuba!

<-- added for Echelon's analysts.

You don't really stop crime though. You just allow crime by a tiny elite to be perpetrated on the masses instead.
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Originally Posted by fatbrit
You don't really stop crime though. You just allow crime by a tiny elite to be perpetrated on the masses instead.
Hey ... but... I never got robbed.
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Old Dec 30th 2005, 4:41 pm
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Originally Posted by fatbrit
Which is back to the argument we had during the death penalty debates. The only way you can control crime totally is with a totalitarian regime. If you don't choose to live under such a tyranny, the next best thing you can do is to prevent people becoming criminals with measures such as equality of opportunity, reducing poverty and education.
Yes but there is always a snall percent of people that will commit crime regardless of social standing, financial position etc. Look at the amount of Hooray Henry's etc that have been caught shoplifting, doing drugs, stealing etc. Nothing to with poverty or education. Doing something illegal is very much in the human psyche...its the thrill, the sense of going against the system and to some people, the sheer joy that comes with commiiting a criminal act. Rape and murder arent always crimes of poverty or finances.
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I've never been robbed in Manistee Michigan,

no camera's here.
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Originally Posted by Manc
I've never been robbed in Manistee Michigan,

no camera's here.

Oh good. Thanks for the tip.

Let's all move to Manistee Michigan!
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Originally Posted by tony126
Noble thoughts FB but King Canute comes to my mind when reading the above.
The shit in society was mostly created by society itself. There are a small proportion of people who will commit crime even if they were brought up in a loving environment, live in a nice house, have a pleasant job that they enjoy, and can afford to pursue their pastimes. The vast majority of these people, however, won't.

To nick someone else's analogy: if you don't like mosquitos, don't build swamps.
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Oh good. Thanks for the tip.

Let's all move to Manistee Michigan!
we don't need your sort here.
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Originally Posted by Angry White Pyjamas
Yes but there is always a snall percent of people that will commit crime regardless of social standing, financial position etc. Look at the amount of Hooray Henry's etc that have been caught shoplifting, doing drugs, stealing etc. Nothing to with poverty or education. Doing something illegal is very much in the human psyche...its the thrill, the sense of going against the system and to some people, the sheer joy that comes with commiiting a criminal act. Rape and murder arent always crimes of poverty or finances.
Which is why we have these guys:



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Originally Posted by Manc
we don't need your sort here.

My sort being...?
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Originally Posted by Manc
I've never been robbed in Manistee Michigan,

no camera's here.
You might want to clarify that. I would imagine theres certainly private CCTV systems there at the least.
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Originally Posted by Angry White Pyjamas
Yes but there is always a snall percent of people that will commit crime regardless of social standing, financial position etc. Look at the amount of Hooray Henry's etc that have been caught shoplifting, doing drugs, stealing etc. Nothing to with poverty or education. Doing something illegal is very much in the human psyche...its the thrill, the sense of going against the system and to some people, the sheer joy that comes with commiiting a criminal act. Rape and murder arent always crimes of poverty or finances.

I agree. But concentrating on these things will reduce it greatly. If you want to stop it completely, let's monitor everybody all the time. I worry about who will monitor the monitors, though! And it's not a world I would particularly want to live in.
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Originally Posted by anotherlimey
Which is why we have these guys:



and:

Absolutely. And we (they) need all the tools we can use in detecting crime and legally bringing criminals to justice.
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