Big Brother - cameras ? Etc ?
Dec 30th 2005, 7:14 pm
#181
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Re: Big Brother - cameras ? Etc ?
Originally Posted by anotherlimey
I suggest this book if you want to find out more on big brother and why his activities are costly and pointless.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/038...books&v=glance
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Dec 30th 2005, 7:49 pm
#182
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Re: Big Brother - cameras ? Etc ?
Originally Posted by nxylas
They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.
-Benjamin Franklin
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.
-Benjamin Franklin
Those who desire to give up freedom in order to gain security will not have, nor do they deserve, either one.
-President Thomas Jefferson
-President Thomas Jefferson
Dec 30th 2005, 7:51 pm
#183
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Re: Big Brother - cameras ? Etc ?
Originally Posted by anotherlimey
and...
Dec 30th 2005, 7:56 pm
#184
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Re: Big Brother - cameras ? Etc ?
Originally Posted by Angry White Pyjamas
If you not going to let the authorites keep you "safe" you must do so yourself. Lock n load I say.
Where has there been any argument against the maintenance of law and order here? Civil liberties and law and order are not mutually exclusive concepts. They can exist together.
Dec 30th 2005, 7:58 pm
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Re: Big Brother - cameras ? Etc ?
Originally Posted by Angry White Pyjamas
If you not going to let the authorites keep you "safe"
Dec 30th 2005, 8:01 pm
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Re: Big Brother - cameras ? Etc ?
Originally Posted by Angry White Pyjamas
If you not going to let the authorites keep you "safe" you must do so yourself. Lock n load I say.
Dec 30th 2005, 8:02 pm
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Re: Big Brother - cameras ? Etc ?
Originally Posted by anotherlimey
I think it's more a matter of people would rather pay for their wide screen TV than for more police.
Dec 30th 2005, 8:03 pm
#188
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Re: Big Brother - cameras ? Etc ?
Originally Posted by anotherlimey
What makes you think that once they've got everybody on CCTV and tracked they'll let you have guns at home or on your person?
I havent actually disagreed with anything thats been said here. I expect the authorities to make efforts to protect the innocents from criminals but I dont expect them to have a 100% success rate. I have no problem with them using tools to do that even if that means a small intrusion on my own personal liberties but I would speak up in the event it became more than for the use of crime prevention. I dont mind CCTV in town centers but I would be opposed to them in my car/house/garden because thats my property and I expect to be responsible for it
Last edited by Angry White Pyjamas; Dec 30th 2005 at 8:07 pm.
Dec 31st 2005, 3:10 pm
#189
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Re: Big Brother - cameras ? Etc ?
The arguments made here "against" Big Brother posted here are pathetic. Those of us who support more are up for reasonable debate but come on, the "more people die on roads" doesn't apply here.
You throw out any form of "big brother" simply because of some if it's traits rather than come up with variants to make it better. Very contstructive. NOT.
Innovation needs input from people like you, who see the flaws as flaws and not flaws as walls. You build these walls of your own problem of being MORE afraid of the system taking over our lives, rather then an adaption of it to help others.
Those who support more big brother are not naive to think of it as a panacea of solving all of our problems. We see it as evolution, to be adapted and corrected to give us the best we can. Will it stop my son from being murdered. Maybe, maybe not BUT will it stop my sons murderer from murdering someone else? Maybe, maybe not. But any chance of someone like that being caught - within some framework around CCTV - how can you argue that.... And if you do, be more practical then showing us your own fear of being "watched"...
You throw out any form of "big brother" simply because of some if it's traits rather than come up with variants to make it better. Very contstructive. NOT.
Innovation needs input from people like you, who see the flaws as flaws and not flaws as walls. You build these walls of your own problem of being MORE afraid of the system taking over our lives, rather then an adaption of it to help others.
Those who support more big brother are not naive to think of it as a panacea of solving all of our problems. We see it as evolution, to be adapted and corrected to give us the best we can. Will it stop my son from being murdered. Maybe, maybe not BUT will it stop my sons murderer from murdering someone else? Maybe, maybe not. But any chance of someone like that being caught - within some framework around CCTV - how can you argue that.... And if you do, be more practical then showing us your own fear of being "watched"...
Dec 31st 2005, 3:14 pm
#190
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Re: Big Brother - cameras ? Etc ?
Originally Posted by Angry White Pyjamas
Nothing. Thats why I vote for self protection. Im all for law and order but Im also a big proponent of th 2nd Amendment who's specific purpose is to stop the government having too strong a hold over the citizenry.
Dec 31st 2005, 3:37 pm
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Re: Big Brother - cameras ? Etc ?
Originally Posted by Angry White Pyjamas
Depends on whether the female was a minger or not.
Dec 31st 2005, 3:40 pm
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Re: Big Brother - cameras ? Etc ?
Originally Posted by Angry White Pyjamas
Actually you want the 32" variety as we used to carry in Blighty. The 26" is way too short.
Dec 31st 2005, 3:44 pm
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Re: Big Brother - cameras ? Etc ?
Originally Posted by Partystar
I'm sure it will work great for me, should I ever need to use it! Let's just hope I don't!
In Florida we can with a carry permit... In fact with the permit you can carry it unconcealed here..
Dec 31st 2005, 3:50 pm
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Re: Big Brother - cameras ? Etc ?
Originally Posted by Ray
Are you permitted to carry it it your parts...
In Florida we can with a carry permit... In fact with the permit you can carry it unconcealed here..
In Florida we can with a carry permit... In fact with the permit you can carry it unconcealed here..
Dec 31st 2005, 3:57 pm
#195
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Re: Big Brother - cameras ? Etc ?
Originally Posted by Partystar
You need a permit to carry a baton in your truck?