Manc

But these are the undertones of the message.

She was a poor defenseless sick puppy, under the thumb of the husband who must have physically raped her to produce 2 more kids against her wishes and made her stay home to homeschool them. He also probably gave her a good kicking while he was at it.
Therefore he's a useless husband.

And she was sick.

I'm saying sure she was sick, but sickness doesn't excuse murder.
And I'm also saying, even though he may have been a bit of a prick at times, to say he is somewhay responsible for the murder of his children is out of line.

and slanderous.

Franklin

Fine ... but meanwhile Yates does her time. If there is any question that she will not do the time I am for her to get the death penalty. The message to other potential "Yates" is clear: kill your kids you do the punishment.

Celtic_Angel

Argh!! your undertones mate not mine!!!!
so it's out of line to expect your spouse to recognise when your stressed, miserable going insane?
c'mon he must have been walking about the house with rose tinted goggles not to see that she was not her usual self...she'd gone to hospital for gawds sake!!! i said he made a gross misjudgement in not taking her "baby blues" seriously that's not slander!

you guys are totally twisting my words to your own ends...let me clarify yes she should remain in jail but be treated and everyone from Dr's to spouses to neighbours need to become aware of and recognise the symptoms of PPD , we can't save Andreas kids but hopefully through awareness we can prevent other murders....how often do I need to repete this...

Manc

I disagree.

You're all making excuses for what she did alone.

In the land of personal responsibilty, the first quote comes to us from Elsie.

cindyabs

He did indeed keep impregnating her knowing of her PPD. There was a case on Law and Order where the woman kept snuffing her babies, one by one and her husband knew it and yet let her keep conceiving. I think it ended with her being found guilty AND she was pregnant again!!

Manc

that's because it is illegal to snuff babies.

cindyabs

I don't know, I just do not understand how someone could do that, anymore than I understand someone going off the deep end and randomly blowing away complete strangers before killing themselves.

robskatie

c'mon he must have been walking about the house with rose tinted goggles not to see that she was not her usual self...she'd gone to hospital for gawds sake!!! i said he made a gross misjudgement in not taking her "baby blues" seriously that's not slander!


I don't think he would have even thought in his wildest dreams that she would have murdered all 5 of her children, PPD is an illness but not everyone who suffers kill their kids, she must have had more going on than this, she should be locked up for life, no doubt about it, rehabilitation? For what? To return to society and have more children?

Perfumdiva1

Dont be such an ass

How could the woman make a decision like that on her own, especially with her husband the way he was, and given her state of mind..

Give her a break will you

How would you be if that was your sister???

ElsieTheMaid

Manc, no one is saying she isn't a murdering bitch and no one is saying that she shouldn't do time, and I certainly see no one making excuses for her, not even in the above list of quotes. What a lot of us are saying, is that her husband bears some responsibilty in allowing this situation to get as far as it did.

If you just stood there and watched someone get raped or beaten without doing anything, no, you are not the one that did the act or is to blame, but in my opinion, you would certainly bear some responsibility in allowing it to continue.

Others are also trying to make use this thread in order to make some statements about the seriousness of PPD. That also doesn't mean they are trying to make excuses for what she did.

Perfumdiva1

Yes, again I am saying this, she was wrong, but clearly, the woman was sick

You sound totally extremist in your opinion, and also a very young man..

Perfumdiva1

Also for your info

A woam in Texas is not allowed to divorce her husband if she is pregnant..

Work that one out................

Manc

lets break this down point by point.

She can make a decision like that by walking out of the front door.

The way her husband was? I don't understand what you're getting at? What did he do that was so terrible compared to drowning 5 children?

why should I give her a break, she killed 5 kids.

If it were my sister she would therefore be the murderer of 5 of my nephews and nieces.

There is no excuse for killing 5 children. and heaping responsibility to a man whom has been convicted of no crime, is wrong.

Perfumdiva1

Would that be your first wife????

Manc

yes it would be my first wife.