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orangemirror Apr 14th 2009 4:04 am
Re: Are Americans really an different to us?
 
Originally Posted by sunflwrgrl13 (Post 7479151)
In the workplace I much prefer men who wear a t-shirt (vests are those sleeveless little jackets that have button up the middle) under their dress shirts. Btw, they don't wear the sleeveless t-shirts (wife beaters) under dress shirts, it's typically the short sleeve version.
OK I think I've got this worked out:confused:

What is called a vest in the UK is called a wife-beater in the USA.

What is called a waist-coat in the UK is called a vest in the USA.

A t-shirt is a t-shirt in both countries. but in the USA men wear a t-shirt under their dress shirt & in the UK men wear a vest/wife-beater under their shirt (or they used to but it has gone out of fashion now, and generally people wear nothing under their shirt now).

Lorna at Vicenza Apr 14th 2009 4:08 am
Re: Are Americans really an different to us?
 
Do little kiddies still wear vests - an underwear garment (as added warmth) under their clothes?

I know the girls at school did back in the UK until it was time to start wearing a bra - then the vests went out the window.

lansbury Apr 14th 2009 4:23 am
Re: Are Americans really an different to us?
 
Originally Posted by exvj (Post 7478170)
I believe some students turn thir underpants inside out for the same reason
My wife refuses to iron and press my underpants and socks, my mother always did this.

Then British mothers knew the need to look your best when wheeled into the emergency room on a stretcher.

meauxna Apr 14th 2009 4:25 am
Re: Are Americans really an different to us?
 
Originally Posted by lansbury (Post 7479419)
My wife refuses to iron and press my underpants and socks, my mother always did this.

Then British mothers knew the need to look your best when wheeled into the emergency room on a stretcher.
You lazy so & so, my DH not only irons his own, he does mine too.
Heaven help the wife of a retired man.. get busy, you! :lol:

exvj Apr 14th 2009 4:25 am
Re: Are Americans really an different to us?
 
Originally Posted by sunflwrgrl13 (Post 7479151)
In the workplace I much prefer men who wear a t-shirt (vests are those sleeveless little jackets that have button up the middle) under their dress shirts. Btw, they don't wear the sleeveless t-shirts (wife beaters) under dress shirts, it's typically the short sleeve version.

I can't stand seeing men's chest hair poking out their shirts. Nobody wants to know how hairy (or not) your chest is, so leave it covered. And nobody wants to see your man nipples poking through the usually thin dress shirt. The t-shirt gives an extra layer to prevent those little embarrassments.

Would you like to know why you get all these negative responses? It's the tone that you write with. Perhaps it's a shortfall of the written word, as opposed to the spoken. To me, none of your sarcastic wit (if you possess any) comes across - most of your posts come across as autocratic, superior and condescending. You may not mean it like that (but maybe you do), so your posts beg for nasty remarks in return.
I see it's the nipples thing again !

Now that was an informative reply and I learned something factual

Ah well in that case I would much rather see that little white T shirt than a male 'sports bra' or scotch taped quarters

Many people in England find me reasonably amusing, but obviously nobody in the US - that constitutes a more valid reason to return to the UK rather than vest wearing and all the things that people get upset about on here

ok well you guys win eventually so well done. The war on people who tease about america and use British humour on a BE site has been won and the correct flag raised - if there are any things different about america and the UK, all the differences simply point out the superiority of the american way in everything from check pants to private medicine


My form I-407 is at hand so you can turn your guns on the next upstart

lansbury Apr 14th 2009 4:30 am
Re: Are Americans really an different to us?
 
Originally Posted by meauxna (Post 7479426)
You lazy so & so, my DH not only irons his own, he does mine too.
Heaven help the wife of a retired man.. get busy, you! :lol:
But your DH is a citizen I'm not, the agreement my wife signed with the US government to caterer to my every need is still valid. :lol:

lansbury Apr 14th 2009 4:34 am
Re: Are Americans really an different to us?
 
Originally Posted by exvj (Post 7479427)


My form I-407 is at hand so you can turn your guns on the next upstart
Gad sir, no true Brit retreats in the face of the enemy.

Remember no peace treaty was signed after 1776 so they may still be viewed as enemy combatants.

paddingtongreen Apr 14th 2009 4:34 am
Re: Are Americans really an different to us?
 
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Originally Posted by Lorna at Vicenza (Post 7479392)
Do little kiddies still wear vests - an underwear garment (as added warmth) under their clothes?

I know the girls at school did back in the UK until it was time to start wearing a bra - then the vests went out the window.
Was that a signal to the boys? I can see them now, waiting for the vests to come flying out of the window. When I was very little, very young boys, girls and some women wore "Liberty Bodices".

They were Liberty compared with the corsets that women previously wore.

exvj Apr 14th 2009 4:35 am
Re: Are Americans really an different to us?
 
Originally Posted by lansbury (Post 7479445)
Gad sir, no true Brit retreats in the face of the enemy.

Remember no peace treaty was signed after 1776 so they may still be viewed as enemy combatants.
Yeah but can we fit em all in Gibraltar which is our Guantanamo

meauxna Apr 14th 2009 4:51 am
Re: Are Americans really an different to us?
 
Originally Posted by lansbury (Post 7479433)
But your DH is a citizen I'm not, the agreement my wife signed with the US government to caterer to my every need is still valid. :lol:
Well alright, as long as you keep up the Good Works. :)

Get her a nice new iron for your anniversary and see if that doesn't advance your cause. :lol:

lansbury Apr 14th 2009 5:25 am
Re: Are Americans really an different to us?
 
Originally Posted by meauxna (Post 7479484)
Well alright, as long as you keep up the Good Works. :)

Get her a nice new iron for your anniversary and see if that doesn't advance your cause. :lol:

What she is getting a new kitchen, it is being gutted as we speak.

They have already found a problem we didn't know existed, mold behind one of the old cabinets and wet wall board I guess from a leaking pipe so an iron might be beyond the budget.

snowbunny Apr 14th 2009 5:32 am
Re: Are Americans really an different to us?
 
My Northern Irish friends call a sleeveless white undershirt a "wife-beater." In fact, my rock band friends dared their bass player to play a gig wearing only a wife-beater on top. Here in hot, open-minded Austin, no-one cared! They had a good giggle over that one.

I imagine that said shirt was on the tour bus, to be worn under another shirt, or as sleepwear, but not meant to be seen in public. ;)

orangemirror Apr 14th 2009 5:35 am
Re: Are Americans really an different to us?
 
Back in England we used to call Stella Artois "wife beater".
I've also heard vests/wife beaters called an Italian Tuxedo over here.

another bloody yank Apr 14th 2009 5:53 am
Re: Are Americans really an different to us?
 
Originally Posted by exvj (Post 7479427)
Many people in England find me reasonably amusing, but obviously nobody in the US -
I dunno, I've laughed at many of your posts.

surly Apr 14th 2009 6:25 am
Re: Are Americans really an different to us?
 
Originally Posted by another bloody yank (Post 7479697)
I dunno, I've laughed at many of your posts.
You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to another bloody yank again.

meauxna Apr 14th 2009 6:31 am
Re: Are Americans really an different to us?
 
Originally Posted by lansbury (Post 7479610)
What she is getting a new kitchen, it is being gutted as we speak.

They have already found a problem we didn't know existed, mold behind one of the old cabinets and wet wall board I guess from a leaking pipe so an iron might be beyond the budget.
Oh dear, my condolences. Fingers crossed and all that.
If I ever recover from this last round, kitchen's next.

Rete Apr 14th 2009 6:31 am
Re: Are Americans really an different to us?
 
Originally Posted by orangemirror (Post 7479380)
OK I think I've got this worked out:confused:

What is called a vest in the UK is called a wife-beater in the USA.

What is called a waist-coat in the UK is called a vest in the USA.

A t-shirt is a t-shirt in both countries. but in the USA men wear a t-shirt under their dress shirt & in the UK men wear a vest/wife-beater under their shirt (or they used to but it has gone out of fashion now, and generally people wear nothing under their shirt now).

No, in the US men where undershirts under their t-shirts, sweaters, pullovers and/or dress shirts and the undershirt can either be with sleeves or a wifebeater. DH does not go out without his undershirt unless he is wearing a t-shirt because he prespires so much he needs the undershirt to soak up the sweat.

Bob Apr 14th 2009 6:47 am
Re: Are Americans really an different to us?
 
Originally Posted by surly (Post 7477515)

I don't despise anybody, well hardly anybody, I just feel sorry for the poor souls who choose live in a country they seem to dislike so much.
The Americans who post here are pretty cool though. :wub:
Some might not be here by choice though, so what's wrong with them venting amongst people who understand what they are going through rather than with local friends and neighbours who other wise might be great people but not understand the issues, or people might just not want to impose these issues on them.

surly Apr 14th 2009 6:48 am
Re: Are Americans really an different to us?
 
Originally Posted by exvj (Post 7478170)
Are you suggesting that the choice of one's country of residence should be based on the style of vest (T shirt) that the men wear?
Nope I never said that, you did.
I said in light of the sort of things the bother you, plus a whole litany of how Americans and the USA compare so unfavorable with the UK, perhaps you should reconsider why you CHOOSE to live here.
Personally I couldn't care less whether anyone likes or dislikes it here, but I have never been given a satisfactory answer as to why the US haters continue to live here.

As for you being bullied and ganged up on. I have been ganged up on by people here who feel like you do. So welcome.

surly Apr 14th 2009 7:00 am
Re: Are Americans really an different to us?
 
Originally Posted by Bob (Post 7479863)
Some might not be here by choice though, so what's wrong with them venting amongst people who understand what they are going through rather than with local friends and neighbours who other wise might be great people but not understand the issues, or people might just not want to impose these issues on them.
Every expat here Bob is here by choice, not only by choice but by making a lot of effort to get here.
As it may turn out, a bad choice for them. but choice non the less.
If I didn't like it here I would be gone, simple as that.
Rather than venting, the effort might be better spent finding a way home a la Rushman.

Bob Apr 14th 2009 7:15 am
Re: Are Americans really an different to us?
 
Originally Posted by surly (Post 7479902)
Every expat here Bob is here by choice, not only by choice but by making a lot of effort to get here.
As it may turn out, a bad choice for them. but choice non the less.
If I didn't like it here I would be gone, simple as that.
Rather than venting, the effort might be better spent finding a way home a la Rushman.
Some here are because of family though, so your saying they should just not come because it wasn't their dream or get a devorce?

Life isn't black and white but shades of grey...you don't know what or whys for everyone being in the US and situations change and some really are in no position to leave even if they wanted to, either financially or because they have children etc and I think you are being terribly unfair on them with your pompos attitude to them.

snowbunny Apr 14th 2009 7:28 am
Re: Are Americans really an different to us?
 
Originally Posted by surly (Post 7479902)
Every expat here Bob is here by choice.
Your point about having to make an effort to get here is noted.

However, if I hold a gun to your head, and ask you to do something you don't want to do, and you do it - did you make a choice? Or were you forced?

surly Apr 14th 2009 7:30 am
Re: Are Americans really an different to us?
 
Originally Posted by Bob (Post 7479934)
Some here are because of family though, so your saying they should just not come because it wasn't their dream or get a devorce?

Life isn't black and white but shades of grey...you don't know what or whys for everyone being in the US and situations change and some really are in no position to leave even if they wanted to, either financially or because they have children etc and I think you are being terribly unfair on them with your pompos attitude to them.
I think the pomposity lies with those that claim Americans are stupid and one is unable to have a meaningful conversation or a close friendship with an American.
I've made some very bad choices in my life and had to deal with them, I don't cry about them it's the way life is.

surly Apr 14th 2009 7:33 am
Re: Are Americans really an different to us?
 
Originally Posted by snowbunny (Post 7479971)
Your point about having to make an effort to get here is noted.

However, if I hold a gun to your head, and ask you to do something you don't want to do, and you do it - did you make a choice? Or were you forced?
If anyone was forced to come to the US at gun point, the my sympathies would be with them?
Although even given the gun to the head analogy it would still be a matter of choice.

Rete Apr 14th 2009 7:33 am
Re: Are Americans really an different to us?
 
Originally Posted by snowbunny (Post 7479971)
Your point about having to make an effort to get here is noted.

However, if I hold a gun to your head, and ask you to do something you don't want to do, and you do it - did you make a choice? Or were you forced?

Don't think that analogy fits in with immigrating to the US. No one forced anyone to move to the US be it for love or money or betterment in life.

snowbunny Apr 14th 2009 7:36 am
Re: Are Americans really an different to us?
 
Originally Posted by surly (Post 7479986)
If anyone was forced to come to the US at gun point, the my sympathies would be with them?
Switch it, then - now they want to leave, but it means leaving their families behind. That is the most common reason unhappy expats stay here. Some see this as a choice; others see it as being forced by circumstances, or an ex-spouse, or ...

N1cky Apr 14th 2009 7:40 am
Re: Are Americans really an different to us?
 
Originally Posted by Rete (Post 7479987)
Don't think that analogy fits in with immigrating to the US. No one forced anyone to move to the US be it for love or money or betterment in life.
I feel forced to stay here as my husband's work is in a fairly specialised area, work in the UK was hard to come by before we moved out here and certainly not without commuting into London daily, where as its fairly easy to come across here.

However, thinking about it. We choose to want the nice 4 bed house with a garden, go on holiday every year and put our child through private education.

If we returned to the UK we would be forced to downgrade our house, not have holidays and send our child to whatever school happened to be at the bottom of the road.

I choose to be forced into staying

Rete Apr 14th 2009 7:50 am
Re: Are Americans really an different to us?
 
Originally Posted by N1cky (Post 7480001)
I choose to be forced into staying
I don't see it as forced. Your husband could work in the UK and you could have the smaller house, the less extravagant holiday, etc. The force you are talking of is called greed.

surly Apr 14th 2009 7:51 am
Re: Are Americans really an different to us?
 
Originally Posted by snowbunny (Post 7479992)
Switch it, then - now they want to leave, but it means leaving their families behind. That is the most common reason unhappy expats stay here. Some see this as a choice; others see it as being forced by circumstances, or an ex-spouse, or ...
I call someone living in poverty in a third world country as being forced by circumstances.
Not one of the worlds privileged complaining over the inappropriate use of eating utensils, or choice of underwear as forced by circumstances.

N1cky Apr 14th 2009 7:59 am
Re: Are Americans really an different to us?
 
Originally Posted by Rete (Post 7480025)
I don't see it as forced. Your husband could work in the UK and you could have the smaller house, the less extravagant holiday, etc. The force you are talking of is called greed.
Yes we could, but we 'choose' not to. I didn't say we took extravagent holidays, and I certainly wouldn't call us greedy.

We all make a choice to live the lifestyle we want, some people are forced to make decisions based on the choices they make.

I am sure your choices are very similar. Does anyone choose to live in a 2 bed flat and go on holiday to Skegness in a caravan?

Xebedee Apr 14th 2009 8:06 am
Re: Are Americans really an different to us?
 
Originally Posted by surly (Post 7479902)
As it may turn out, a bad choice for them. but choice non the less.
If I didn't like it here I would be gone, simple as that.
Rather than venting, the effort might be better spent finding a way home a la Rushman.
Surely surly for some it comes down to a choice to remain in a foreign country.
To make the best of it all, purely for the sake of something you have deemed more important to you than easing your own discomfort.
Small words - big shadows.

Some choose every day to pick the best of English and the America which is admired and know that the result is being neither and yet both. Its a bittersweet present tied to an unsure past and an undefined future.

But you do it anyway.
Because at the root, you know damn well that it is the correct decision for you.

meauxna Apr 14th 2009 8:11 am
Re: Are Americans really an different to us?
 
Hey now, isn't this all getting a little tooooo personal? It's just like generalizing about any large group of people: you can't (ie you shouldn't). Expats are here for a number of reasons.

I don't think it's necessarily 'greed' when one makes a choice for preferring one thing over another. To be fair, Rete, you've made the choice to stay in your home for financial reasons. AND you like it there.

Some people may find that a 2 bed flat and caravan holidays are very desirable, compared to what they came from.

I have a semantic complaint against 'choosing to be forced' or whatever. You make your choices and they'll have good and bad consequences attached, in varying degrees. I think they're commonly called 'trade offs'. I've been thinking a lot lately about my own trade offs; not happy about all of the outcomes from them, but at some point you just have to say: I chose this.

Sometimes when times are hard, you have to choose fresh every day to remind yourself.

N1cky Apr 14th 2009 8:15 am
Re: Are Americans really an different to us?
 
Originally Posted by meauxna (Post 7480086)
Hey now, isn't this all getting a little tooooo personal? It's just like generalizing about any large group of people: you can't (ie you shouldn't). Expats are here for a number of reasons.

I don't think it's necessarily 'greed' when one makes a choice for preferring one thing over another. To be fair, Rete, you've made the choice to stay in your home for financial reasons. AND you like it there.

Some people may find that a 2 bed flat and caravan holidays are very desirable, compared to what they came from.

I have a semantic complaint against 'choosing to be forced' or whatever. You make your choices and they'll have good and bad consequences attached, in varying degrees. I think they're commonly called 'trade offs'. I've been thinking a lot lately about my own trade offs; not happy about all of the outcomes from them, but at some point you just have to say: I chose this.

Sometimes when times are hard, you have to choose fresh every day to remind yourself.
I just wanted to add, I picked Skegness in a caravan, as when I was a kid that was my holiday destination. I seem to remember enjoying eating toasted teacakes and playing cards while it piddled it down outside. I just meant I wouldn't choose to go back to it.

Rete Apr 14th 2009 8:18 am
Re: Are Americans really an different to us?
 
It is the use of the word forced. No one forced Nicky to stay in the US against their wishes. They choose to do so, freely because of getting what they felt was not an adequate lifestyle in the UK. They could live a more improvished lifestyle in the US but chose instead to live a more lavish lifestyle in the US.

I went on camping holidays with tents and pop-ups. We don't have caravans here in the US that I know of. And yes, I enjoyed it and would love to do it again.

The generalization came into play because of the terminology used. No other, be it because of love or money, is forced. It is a choice to emigrate to another country. It was and is a choice freely made. Just because you love someone does not mean you have to give up being happy to live in a country where you will be apart from your friends and relatives unless that is your choice.

If your DH hated living here and wanted desperately to leave and go elsewhere and you didn't, does that mean he has to remain where he is so unhappy? Or would you either choose to go with him or set him free. Isn't that what one member of this forum did past year. Left her husband and went back to the UK with their children because she was so unhappy here. If I remember correctly the majority was in agreement with her choice.

Originally Posted by meauxna (Post 7480086)
Hey now, isn't this all getting a little tooooo personal? It's just like generalizing about any large group of people: you can't (ie you shouldn't). Expats are here for a number of reasons.

I don't think it's necessarily 'greed' when one makes a choice for preferring one thing over another. To be fair, Rete, you've made the choice to stay in your home for financial reasons. AND you like it there.

Some people may find that a 2 bed flat and caravan holidays are very desirable, compared to what they came from.

I have a semantic complaint against 'choosing to be forced' or whatever. You make your choices and they'll have good and bad consequences attached, in varying degrees. I think they're commonly called 'trade offs'. I've been thinking a lot lately about my own trade offs; not happy about all of the outcomes from them, but at some point you just have to say: I chose this.

Sometimes when times are hard, you have to choose fresh every day to remind yourself.

britvic Apr 14th 2009 8:27 am
Re: Are Americans really an different to us?
 
Originally Posted by Bob (Post 7479934)
Some here are because of family though, so your saying they should just not come because it wasn't their dream or get a devorce?

Life isn't black and white but shades of grey...you don't know what or whys for everyone being in the US and situations change and some really are in no position to leave even if they wanted to, either financially or because they have children etc and I think you are being terribly unfair on them with your pompos attitude to them.
What he said :)

meauxna Apr 14th 2009 8:30 am
Re: Are Americans really an different to us?
 
I will fall back on language differences this time.

Caravan = popup trailer type set up. Same same.

Therefore, who knows, maybe we are mishearing 'forced' and it pushes our buttons.

I remember when getting to know DH and he was talking about an investment 'scheme'. Well 'scheme' has a shady connotation to me, and I thought he was talking about some no-good plan because he used the word 'scheme' (this was over several contexts & finally I just had to ask him if he was a criminal or not).

Otherwise, 'forced' + 'choose' could = 'passive agressive' to me. :)
Not that there's anything wrong with that.

N1cky Apr 14th 2009 8:34 am
Re: Are Americans really an different to us?
 
Originally Posted by Rete (Post 7480112)
It is the use of the word forced. No one forced Nicky to stay in the US against their wishes. They choose to do so, freely because of getting what they felt was not an adequate lifestyle in the UK. They could live a more improvished lifestyle in the US but chose instead to live a more lavish lifestyle in the US.

I went on camping holidays with tents and pop-ups. We don't have caravans here in the US that I know of. And yes, I enjoyed it and would love to do it again.

The generalization came into play because of the terminology used. No other, be it because of love or money, is forced. It is a choice to emigrate to another country. It was and is a choice freely made. Just because you love someone does not mean you have to give up being happy to live in a country where you will be apart from your friends and relatives unless that is your choice.

If your DH hated living here and wanted desperately to leave and go elsewhere and you didn't, does that mean he has to remain where he is so unhappy? Or would you either choose to go with him or set him free. Isn't that what one member of this forum did past year. Left her husband and went back to the UK with their children because she was so unhappy here. If I remember correctly the majority was in agreement with her choice.
But, if we went back to the UK my husband would be FORCED into taking a low paid job. We would be FORCED into selling our home as we wouldn't be able to pay the mortgage. We would be FORCED into taking a big loss on said house and be close or into negative equity due to house prices falling, and then where would we be?

So yes I choose to live a comfortable lifestyle.

This is the same choice that if you gave anyone the choice to make they would choose to live comfortably. I agree that to someone in poverty the choice of having a vacation every year and good education for their children would seem like greed.

If you gave them a choice of staying where they were, with no home and no running water, or moving their family 5,000 miles away to somewhere with a roof over their heads and schooling, which would they choose? Comfort levels all depend on where you have come from.

I feel very lucky that I can make these choices, we are probably talking about the 2 most priviledged countries in the world so having the option to live in either is a huge luxury that maybe we all should appreciate more.

Why don't you go on a camping holiday again Rete if you would love to?

surly Apr 14th 2009 8:36 am
Re: Are Americans really an different to us?
 
Originally Posted by Rete (Post 7480112)
It is the use of the word forced. No one forced Nicky to stay in the US against their wishes. They choose to do so, freely because of getting what they felt was not an adequate lifestyle in the UK. They could live a more improvished lifestyle in the US but chose instead to live a more lavish lifestyle in the US.

I went on camping holidays with tents and pop-ups. We don't have caravans here in the US that I know of. And yes, I enjoyed it and would love to do it again.

The generalization came into play because of the terminology used. No other, be it because of love or money, is forced. It is a choice to emigrate to another country. It was and is a choice freely made. Just because you love someone does not mean you have to give up being happy to live in a country where you will be apart from your friends and relatives unless that is your choice.

If your DH hated living here and wanted desperately to leave and go elsewhere and you didn't, does that mean he has to remain where he is so unhappy? Or would you either choose to go with him or set him free. Isn't that what one member of this forum did past year. Left her husband and went back to the UK with their children because she was so unhappy here. If I remember correctly the majority was in agreement with her choice.
I guess when neither spouse is happy in the other's country, one of them chooses to be the unhappy one. Not a good basis for a marriage.

anotherlimey Apr 14th 2009 8:39 am
Re: Are Americans really an different to us?
 
Originally Posted by Rete (Post 7480112)
It is the use of the word forced. No one forced Nicky to stay in the US against their wishes. They choose to do so, freely because of getting what they felt was not an adequate lifestyle in the UK. They could live a more improvished lifestyle in the US but chose instead to live a more lavish lifestyle in the US.

I went on camping holidays with tents and pop-ups. We don't have caravans here in the US that I know of. And yes, I enjoyed it and would love to do it again.

The generalization came into play because of the terminology used. No other, be it because of love or money, is forced. It is a choice to emigrate to another country. It was and is a choice freely made. Just because you love someone does not mean you have to give up being happy to live in a country where you will be apart from your friends and relatives unless that is your choice.

If your DH hated living here and wanted desperately to leave and go elsewhere and you didn't, does that mean he has to remain where he is so unhappy? Or would you either choose to go with him or set him free. Isn't that what one member of this forum did past year. Left her husband and went back to the UK with their children because she was so unhappy here. If I remember correctly the majority was in agreement with her choice.
There are people on here who had a choice of living in the US or divorce (or maybe a family split between to continents). Not 'forced' but not willingly and we all know what was meant.

It's a trade off in the end, you take the rough with the smooth, but that doesn't mean we all have to write posts like we're on some anti-depressant while wearing rose-tinted specs.

anotherlimey Apr 14th 2009 8:41 am
Re: Are Americans really an different to us?
 
Originally Posted by surly (Post 7480172)
I guess when neither spouse is happy in the other's country, one of them chooses to be the unhappy one. Not a good basis for a marriage.
It's not necessarily that; perhaps the mum knows it's what's best in the long run, doesn't mean she's happy not being able to work on a spouse visa.


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