American smuggles handguns into UK
Mark Edwards, Mr Greenoe's lawyer, said of his client: "Steve's a bright young man, very sociable, a bright guy, well read, well educated, well travelled. He's been all over the world. He's an interesting man to deal with and not my average client at all."
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news...-1225994161990 |
Re: American smuggles handguns into UK
I've thought about this before*. It's really easy to do with Glocks... except for one thing.
The trigger guard and and handle. It's molded in one piece. But I can guarantee the average mook wouldn't be able to recognize the slide, barrel, guide rod and spring. And all the other parts are *easy* to take apart to conceal their identities. http://images6.fotki.com/v96/photos/...MG_7518-vi.jpg http://www.thegreygirl.com/wp-conten...0/08/glock.png *Just as an academic exercise during an idle moment. |
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"Since the 9/11 attacks in 2001, the US has demanded tougher screening of passengers, luggage and cargo. But the arms smuggling case suggests that its own security measures, especially at smaller airports, are a weak link."
What was it the bible said? Can't remember the exact quote, but it was something about taking your head out of your own ar4ehole before trying to remove others heads from theirs? :rofl: |
Re: American smuggles handguns into UK
Originally Posted by Octang Frye
(Post 9126438)
I've thought about this before. It's really easy to do with Glocks... except for one thing.
The trigger guard and and handle. It's molded in one piece. But I can guarantee the average mook wouldn't be able to recognize the slide, barrel, guide rod and spring. And all the other parts are *easy* to take apart to conceal their identities. http://images6.fotki.com/v96/photos/...MG_7518-vi.jpg What would happen if you taped the handle against say a square piece of metal - would it still show up on the x-ray or would it just show the square? |
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Originally Posted by Yorkieabroad
(Post 9126441)
What would happen if you taped the handle against say a square piece of metal - would it still show up on the x-ray or would it just show the square?
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Re: American smuggles handguns into UK
Bit if handgun shaped things don't raise a flag.....?
There are lots of legitimate squarethings that might be in a case! |
Re: American smuggles handguns into UK
It sound like this guy had a legitimate business. Seems silly to throw all that away for, what, at most would be 400,000, if all 80 guns were Glocks and he could shift them for 5,000 a pop. (I know the article said 20 were Glocks, I assume the rest were Rugers).
Anyway, I always thought if you were to commit a crime for profit, it must be a one-off and a big enough score that you'd never need to take the risk again. Yorkieabroad, I was just thinking about it - that it would be possible. I do admit to once considering taking my parents a bottle of OC-17 pepper spray because it would just look like a can of deodorant or hairspray. But then I thought, the thrill of getting it through wouldn't be worth the risk of getting caught and spending tens of thousands or dollars and probable prison time. I like my freedom too much, thank you very much. Also, if my mum was ever mugged and sprayed the culprit, no doubt she'd end up doing hard time while the perp would get 20 hours community service. |
Re: American smuggles handguns into UK
Originally Posted by Octang Frye
(Post 9126438)
I've thought about this before*. It's really easy to do with Glocks... except for one thing.
The trigger guard and and handle. It's molded in one piece. But I can guarantee the average mook wouldn't be able to recognize the slide, barrel, guide rod and spring. And all the other parts are *easy* to take apart to conceal their identities. http://images6.fotki.com/v96/photos/...MG_7518-vi.jpg http://www.thegreygirl.com/wp-conten...0/08/glock.png *Just as an academic exercise during an idle moment. IIRC there was a container load of second-hand AK-47s that was caught arriving in New York a few years back; but they don't x-ray all containers, so it makes you wonder how many get through. |
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[QUOTE=Octang Frye;
Yorkieabroad, I was just thinking about it - that it would be possible. I do admit to once considering taking my parents a bottle of OC-17 pepper spray because it would just look like a can of deodorant or hairspray. But then I thought, the thrill of getting it through wouldn't be worth the risk of getting caught and spending tens of thousands or dollars and probable prison time. I like my freedom too much, thank you very much. Also, if my mum was ever mugged and sprayed the culprit, no doubt she'd end up doing hard time while the perp would get 20 hours community service.[/QUOTE] A friend accidentally carried a small pepper spray to and from the UK in their handbag last year. They did not realize until they got back to US. It was one the the small ones about 3 inches long and 1 inch diameter all made of plastic so it did not show on the X-Ray. People have also been known to break weapons down and mail the pieces separately, this was at one point particularly common with Flick knives bought in Spain. The buyer would remove the spring and post it home then take the knife in checked in baggage as a folding knife. Once home they put the spring back in. |
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Couple of years back when we went to Disney my wife took a loaf of bread in in her shoulder bag (dont ask!). When they did the bag search on the way in they made her take it out of the plastic bag and open it (it was sliced!) to show there was nothing in the middle!
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I don't recall being searched at Disney World. I'd raise merry hell. Was this after September 11th?
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Re: American smuggles handguns into UK
Originally Posted by Yorkieabroad
(Post 9126439)
"Since the 9/11 attacks in 2001, the US has demanded tougher screening of passengers, luggage and cargo. But the arms smuggling case suggests that its own security measures, especially at smaller airports, are a weak link."
Note that it is not illegal to transport weapons in checked baggage as the TSA web site indicates. So, while he should have declared them to the airline when he checked in, it isn't particularly surprising that he was still allowed to travel even after the weapons were discovered. This wasn't a security issue for the flight that he was on - the issue is that he was smuggling something illegal into the UK but it isn't up to the TSA to do UK customs job for them. |
Re: American smuggles handguns into UK
Originally Posted by Octang Frye
(Post 9126578)
I don't recall being searched at Disney World. I'd raise merry hell. Was this after September 11th?
They have a separate line for people with bags and a table to the side to search them...actually make you open each bag, and each pocket and they poke around in them with a stick. |
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Originally Posted by md95065
(Post 9126840)
Not really - according to the story, a security screening did detect the weapons on at least one occasion.
Note that it is not illegal to transport weapons in checked baggage as the TSA web site indicates. So, while he should have declared them to the airline when he checked in, it isn't particularly surprising that he was still allowed to travel even after the weapons were discovered. This wasn't a security issue for the flight that he was on - the issue is that he was smuggling something illegal into the UK but it isn't up to the TSA to do UK customs job for them. And if he was doing this legitimately he should have declared them, so there shouldn't have been any 'discovering'. He didn't but was still allowed to travel? You're right that it wasn't a security issue for the flight as it was in his check in luggage, but still, some serious issues to sort out. Wonder what would happen if boarding security turned up say a kilo of cocaine in someones carry on. "Oh, carry on sir - we're only concerned with on board security - we'll let the customs chaps deal with you at the other end....?" |
Re: American smuggles handguns into UK
Originally Posted by Octang Frye
(Post 9126578)
I don't recall being searched at Disney World. I'd raise merry hell. Was this after September 11th?
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Pepper spray is illegal in the UK?
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Re: American smuggles handguns into UK
Originally Posted by Leslie66
(Post 9127859)
Pepper spray is illegal in the UK?
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Re: American smuggles handguns into UK
Originally Posted by anotherlimey
(Post 9127885)
Yes, as are pointy sticks.
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Re: American smuggles handguns into UK
Originally Posted by Leslie66
(Post 9127906)
What about harsh talking-to's ?
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Re: American smuggles handguns into UK
Originally Posted by elfman
(Post 9127911)
Depends. If you can be witty and throw in a classical reference or two they might let you off.
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Re: American smuggles handguns into UK
Originally Posted by Leslie66
(Post 9127906)
What about harsh talking-to's ?
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Re: American smuggles handguns into UK
Originally Posted by Leslie66
(Post 9127859)
Pepper spray is illegal in the UK?
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Re: American smuggles handguns into UK
Originally Posted by cluedweasel
(Post 9127975)
Back in 92 (I think), a French Formula 1 driver called Betrand Gachot got 2 months in jail for using it on a taxi driver in London. Some "road rage" incident if I recall correctly.
Say "Who the f*** are you" presumably . . . |
Re: American smuggles handguns into UK
Originally Posted by cluedweasel
(Post 9127975)
Back in 92 (I think), a French Formula 1 driver called Betrand Gachot got 2 months in jail for using it on a taxi driver in London. Some "road rage" incident if I recall correctly.
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Re: American smuggles handguns into UK
Originally Posted by Leslie66
(Post 9128130)
Unless the taxi driver attacked him I would say that's more than fair. That shit hurts.
Oh, no, wrong stuff :p |
Re: American smuggles handguns into UK
Originally Posted by SultanOfSwing
(Post 9128137)
Isn't it "I put that shit on everything"?
Oh, no, wrong stuff :p |
Re: American smuggles handguns into UK
Originally Posted by Leslie66
(Post 9128145)
That shit would hurt if it got in your eyes too though.
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Originally Posted by Leslie66
(Post 9127920)
Interesting. Harsh talking-to's are quite often illegal in the US. Actually, that should be a TSA warning.
Jesse Ventura is suing. MSNBC reports: "Not all travelers are selected to go through the scanners, but the TSA requires people who decline to submit to pat-downs that include checks of the inside of their thighs and buttocks." Checks of the inside of my buttocks? :eek: |
Re: American smuggles handguns into UK
Originally Posted by Leslie66
(Post 9128130)
Unless the taxi driver attacked him I would say that's more than fair. That shit hurts.
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Re: American smuggles handguns into UK
Originally Posted by snowbunny
(Post 9128156)
Not to mention that it makes it rather hard to drive.
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Re: American smuggles handguns into UK
Originally Posted by snowbunny
(Post 9128152)
Speaking of the TSA:
Jesse Ventura is suing. MSNBC reports: "Not all travelers are selected to go through the scanners, but the TSA requires people who decline to submit to pat-downs that include checks of the inside of their thighs and buttocks." Checks of the inside of my buttocks? :eek: |
Re: American smuggles handguns into UK
Originally Posted by Leslie66
(Post 9128160)
My ex-sister-in-law sprayed herself in the eyes with it once. :rofl:
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Re: American smuggles handguns into UK
Originally Posted by Leslie66
(Post 9128160)
My ex-sister-in-law sprayed herself in the eyes with it once. :rofl:
That beats stabbing yourself in the eye with a mascara wand.... |
Re: American smuggles handguns into UK
Originally Posted by Octang Frye
(Post 9126458)
But then I thought, the thrill of getting it through wouldn't be worth the risk of getting caught and spending tens of thousands or dollars and probable prison time. I like my freedom too much, thank you very much. Also, if my mum was ever mugged and sprayed the culprit, no doubt she'd end up doing hard time while the perp would get 20 hours community service.
http://www.stoppared.com/ It's nowhere as good as pepper spray, but it's legal in the UK. |
Re: American smuggles handguns into UK
Originally Posted by snowbunny
(Post 9128177)
While driving? :eek:
That beats stabbing yourself in the eye with a mascara wand.... |
Re: American smuggles handguns into UK
Originally Posted by Leslie66
(Post 9128359)
No, not driving but sitting in her car outside her own house. :rofl:
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Re: American smuggles handguns into UK
Originally Posted by snowbunny
(Post 9128474)
What, she had ideas of self-harm and decided to control herself?
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Re: American smuggles handguns into UK
Originally Posted by SultanOfSwing
(Post 9128150)
Absolutely it would. I've made the mistake of rubbing my eye after cutting up hot peppers. It's no laughing matter.
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Re: American smuggles handguns into UK
Originally Posted by GeoffM
(Post 9128568)
You've clearly not inadvertently gone for a pee afterwards... :eek:
Doesn't bear thinking about! |
Re: American smuggles handguns into UK
Originally Posted by Marocco
(Post 9128207)
Perhaps your mother could use one of these:
http://www.stoppared.com/ It's nowhere as good as pepper spray, but it's legal in the UK. All that would do, I suspect, is serve to get your ass kicked even more. If it's not an irritant, it has little use except for helping catching the assailant after the attack - after he's kick your head in. The thing about pepper spray is that it jacks up your breathing, and closes your eyes involuntarily. Both of these are beneficial because it makes the assailant stop thinking about you and focus on his breathing/discomfort, making it a lot easier to get away. I've inhaled pepper spray - just a tiny bit as an experiment - and it *is* nasty. It's also effective on people hopped up on drugs/PCP etc. There have been numerous cases where people have been shot with 9mm rounds and kept coming. Pepper spray instantly neutralizes even the most agitated attacker. Not sure if you guys know this, but the police Tazers fire five second bursts. I think it's that. The civilian model fires a 30 second burst, to give you time to get away. That's a lot pain/incapacity, but not a lot of time in reality if you're older. A pepper sprayed perp is rendered a lot less dangerous for a long time. BTW, Leslie, virtually everything in the UK is classed as an offensive weapon. A guitar string. A bottle of lemon juice. |
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