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Old Dec 25th 2007, 12:35 am
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Originally Posted by Manc View Post
I think the american dream is old hat.

it applied when peopel arrived at Ellis Island and grafted like hell in a sweatshop so they could afford to buy a plot of land and live off it.

I don't think it applies anymore...

The american dream nowadays is go to college, come out in debt.
move up the corporation ladder by screwing anyone over on the way and be thankful for 2 weeks vacation a year.

and if you are one of the screwed over then you've not been personally responsible and deserve to die in the gutter on social security.


my 2 cents.
The whole concept is and always was a con IMHO. I have mentioned it before but everybody here UK and USC's alike, should read The Jungle by Upton Sinclaire. The silly sod rambles on a bit about socialism toward the end but other than that it is an eye opener. You finish and think to yourself -how much has really changed?
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Old Dec 25th 2007, 12:37 am
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Originally Posted by Rete View Post
Of course, it isn't

It is a dream of all peoples, I'd say.

BTW I only brought up my 'version' of the American Dream because I've never heard of it being a foreigner's dream in regards to emigrating to the US.
I always thought that was what it was all about people leaving the country to find a better life. The wiki file seems to support that theory in part.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_dream

While sitting on my own on christmas eve for the first time in my life I'm not feeling the dream right now. DH is one of those military folks (who must be earning top dollar) working a 24 hour shift.
Merry christmas- cherry brandy anyone
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Old Dec 25th 2007, 1:05 am
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Originally Posted by Jackal5 View Post
Hello All,

I'm a 21 yr old student from London, UK. I recently returned from the United States after completing an internship in Virginia, USA. Having returned I'm debating whether to return to the United States after finishing University.

I found American life quite exciting with many opportunities in terms of work. I find it also less stressful in terms of living in England.

However, my question is, is the American dream still alive? I asked many of my fellow American friends if they liked living in America and would they ever consider moving abroad, some replied yes, some no.

Having saw a report by the BBC stating that Australia and Canada are now the two top Country's Brits tend to move to, I'm wondering whether America would be the best choice for me.

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It depends where you live but yes, the American dream is still alive just not as alive as when Reagan or Clinton was in office but still alive.

No one can really answer or tell you if America is for you, only you can decide that.
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Old Dec 25th 2007, 1:43 am
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It's no picnic here, I wasn't sure whether you were saying you found living here easier or harder than Britain, but a lot of it will come down to your expertise. the American Dream of driving a huge car for pennies etc will die...thank goodness.
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Originally Posted by :Huey View Post
It's no picnic here, I wasn't sure whether you were saying you found living here easier or harder than Britain, but a lot of it will come down to your expertise. the American Dream of driving a huge car for pennies etc will die...thank goodness.
but on the other hand, I am sure glad I am here and not in Sudan......

so it depends on your perspective.
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but on the other hand, I am sure glad I am here and not in Sudan......

so it depends on your perspective.
That's the thing though isn't it? If you're from some godforsaken third world hellhole, the US will seem like paradise to you. But move from a first world nation, and it soon becomes obvious how much of a con it really is. Pity is that the natives don't see/understand how much of a con it really is.
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Old Dec 25th 2007, 3:02 am
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Originally Posted by Redlippie View Post
That's the thing though isn't it? If you're from some godforsaken third world hellhole, the US will seem like paradise to you. But move from a first world nation, and it soon becomes obvious how much of a con it really is. Pity is that the natives don't see/understand how much of a con it really is.
Why don't you fill me in?
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Why don't you fill me in?
what, give you a bit of a hiding?

ok.
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Default Re: The American Dream Still Alive?

Originally Posted by Redlippie View Post
That's the thing though isn't it? If you're from some godforsaken third world hellhole, the US will seem like paradise to you. But move from a first world nation, and it soon becomes obvious how much of a con it really is. Pity is that the natives don't see/understand how much of a con it really is.
Can you please elaborate on your comments please?
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Can you please elaborate on your comments please?
You'll have to answer him Redlippie - he said please twice so he must be really desperate to know more!
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but on the other hand, I am sure glad I am here and not in Sudan......

so it depends on your perspective.
Oh yes, but he's from Britain/Ireland.
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Originally Posted by Jackal5 View Post
Hello All,

I find it also less stressful in terms of living in England.
Not entirely sure how you figure this one. Loafing around as a student, maybe.

Reality is that working here is generally far more shitty and ruthless than the UK. Hence high levels of stress. 2 weeks off a year = mucho stress (for European minded people who work to live, not live to work).

Not to mention if you should find yourself out of a job, chances are you'll likely lose your medical cover too if you can't pay your own way. Which again causes stress.

Also many other components of US life (especially regarding being ripped off/sued etc) which could stress the unwary. And plenty of other things besides.

Silly Sods comment about working 70+ year olds (becoming the norm) and close to being on your arse is bob on.

There simply ain't no societal safety net in the US.
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Originally Posted by Manc View Post
what, give you a bit of a hiding?

ok.
Sorry, Manc. Right over my head...
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Old Dec 25th 2007, 3:51 am
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Originally Posted by Dan725 View Post
Not entirely sure how you figure this one. Loafing around as a student, maybe.

Reality is that working here is generally far more shitty and ruthless than the UK. Hence high levels of stress. 2 weeks off a year = mucho stress (for European minded people who work to live, not live to work).

Not to mention if you should find yourself out of a job, chances are you'll likely lose your medical cover too if you can't pay your own way. Which again causes stress.

Also many other components of US life (especially regarding being ripped off/sued etc) which could stress the unwary. And plenty of other things besides.

Silly Sods comment about working 70+ year olds (becoming the norm) and close to being on your arse is bob on.

There simply ain't no societal safety net in the US.
Let me call you a waaaaambulance.

Sorry, I meant MERRY CHRISTMAS!!!
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Old Dec 25th 2007, 4:25 am
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Originally Posted by Jackal5 View Post
Hello All,

I'm a 21 yr old student from London, UK. I recently returned from the United States after completing an internship in Virginia, USA. Having returned I'm debating whether to return to the United States after finishing University.

I found American life quite exciting with many opportunities in terms of work. I find it also less stressful in terms of living in England.

However, my question is, is the American dream still alive? I asked many of my fellow American friends if they liked living in America and would they ever consider moving abroad, some replied yes, some no.

Having saw a report by the BBC stating that Australia and Canada are now the two top Country's Brits tend to move to, I'm wondering whether America would be the best choice for me.

Merry Christmas!
Not at all!
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