SSN Theft and use for employment?
Oct 16th 2003, 8:41 pm
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SSN Theft and use for employment?
I have a South American friend who I spoke to about obtaining a work visa. He did not know anything and revealed that he, and most of his family, does not have one. Infact, he told me of someone he knows who, if you want, get you a SSN. He says he, and his family, work, finance, and evrything I want to be able to do.
I got a number, and to my surprise, it was valid! Before using it though I did someone homework and discovered that the SSN belong to another with the same age and name as me, even birthdate! This person is on the other side of the country.
What would be stopping me using this number to work, and what are the chances of getting causght if that is all I used it for?
Most importantly, what would happen if I was caught? Deportation? Jail?
I got a number, and to my surprise, it was valid! Before using it though I did someone homework and discovered that the SSN belong to another with the same age and name as me, even birthdate! This person is on the other side of the country.
What would be stopping me using this number to work, and what are the chances of getting causght if that is all I used it for?
Most importantly, what would happen if I was caught? Deportation? Jail?
Oct 17th 2003, 12:37 pm
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The amount of people using fake SSN #'s and sharing SSN #'s is pretty rampant. You sure you can't find any visa or any way of getting legal non-immigrant or whatever status to get a real ssn #?? There's sooo many ways to prove a legal reason to get a SSN.
As with any "breaking of federal laws" there is a risk of course. The amount of people using fake SSN's and sharing SSN's is sooo rampant (especially here in la) that i don't think it's even blinked at anymore.
You still should find a valid way to get a SSN. That way you can build a nice credit history, buy a house, file taxes, etc. The IRS may call you in for an audit if two people file taxes for the same SSN! I think the INS is the *only* agency that uses SSA computers to *verify* SSN #'s. I don't think any other agency does.
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As with any "breaking of federal laws" there is a risk of course. The amount of people using fake SSN's and sharing SSN's is sooo rampant (especially here in la) that i don't think it's even blinked at anymore.
You still should find a valid way to get a SSN. That way you can build a nice credit history, buy a house, file taxes, etc. The IRS may call you in for an audit if two people file taxes for the same SSN! I think the INS is the *only* agency that uses SSA computers to *verify* SSN #'s. I don't think any other agency does.
-= nav =-
Oct 18th 2003, 7:48 am
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Re: SSN Theft and use for employment?
"supernav" <member@british_expats.com> wrote in message
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> You still should find a valid way to get a SSN. That way you can build
> a nice credit history, buy a house, file taxes, etc. The IRS may call
> you in for an audit if two people file taxes for the same SSN! I think
> the INS is the *only* agency that uses SSA computers to *verify* SSN
> #'s. I don't think any other agency does.
Do you mean INS, or IRS? It sounds like the latter, and it wouldn't surprise
me. The IRS are the only people in the USA who may legally ask for your
actual SSN as a means of identity. There's a federal statute that prevents
the SSN from being required for any purpose other than that related directly
to taxation, thus the IRS and anyone who pays tax on your behalf have a
legal right to know it, and it's technically illegal for anyone else to ask
for it.
Of course, I haven't tried to live by giving out 111-11-1111 as my number
(yet), and I'm guessing it would be hard, but I guarantee I'd win every
single lawsuit I brought against people who wouldn't accept it. Hell, why
stop with a lawsuit? I'm sure I could go for the full criminal prosecution,
except that it would probably be hard to get the Police to move on such a
case.
Darth Spacey
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> You still should find a valid way to get a SSN. That way you can build
> a nice credit history, buy a house, file taxes, etc. The IRS may call
> you in for an audit if two people file taxes for the same SSN! I think
> the INS is the *only* agency that uses SSA computers to *verify* SSN
> #'s. I don't think any other agency does.
Do you mean INS, or IRS? It sounds like the latter, and it wouldn't surprise
me. The IRS are the only people in the USA who may legally ask for your
actual SSN as a means of identity. There's a federal statute that prevents
the SSN from being required for any purpose other than that related directly
to taxation, thus the IRS and anyone who pays tax on your behalf have a
legal right to know it, and it's technically illegal for anyone else to ask
for it.
Of course, I haven't tried to live by giving out 111-11-1111 as my number
(yet), and I'm guessing it would be hard, but I guarantee I'd win every
single lawsuit I brought against people who wouldn't accept it. Hell, why
stop with a lawsuit? I'm sure I could go for the full criminal prosecution,
except that it would probably be hard to get the Police to move on such a
case.
Darth Spacey
