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Old Dec 10th 2003, 9:47 am
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If absences abroad of more than six months but less than one (1) year create a reasonable presumption that a GC holder intended to abandon his residence, my question is:
1- How does INS know how long a GC holder stayed outside the US?
2- Is there a record of departure for a green card holder?
When I exited the country they just asked for my passport, not for the GC.
I wonder if when I will enter they are just going to ask how long I have been outside US or if they are already going to know somehow how long I have been out of US... but how?
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Old Dec 10th 2003, 1:45 pm
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Originally posted by gielle
If absences abroad of more than six months but less than one (1) year create a reasonable presumption that a GC holder intended to abandon his residence, my question is:
1- How does INS know how long a GC holder stayed outside the US?
2- Is there a record of departure for a green card holder?
When I exited the country they just asked for my passport, not for the GC.
I wonder if when I will enter they are just going to ask how long I have been outside US or if they are already going to know somehow how long I have been out of US... but how?

Strange...I thought ALL airlines are scanning Green Cards now...
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Old Dec 11th 2003, 3:01 am
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The onus is on you to prove that you didn't abandon your residency in US.

Your better have date and reason of your absence even less than one week.

That would come up at POE after your return of your trip or during
citizenship interview.


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    > If absences abroad of more than six months but less than one (1) year
    > create a reasonable presumption that a GC holder intended to abandon his
    > residence, my question is:
    > 1- How does INS know how long a GC holder stayed outside the US?
    > 2- Is there a record of departure for a green card holder?
    > When I exited the country they just asked for my passport, not
    > for the GC.
    > I wonder if when I will enter they are just going to ask how long I have
    > been outside US or if they are already going to know somehow how long I
    > have been out of US... but how?
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Old Dec 11th 2003, 9:44 am
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    >Subject: Re: record of departure of a GC holder
    >From: "observer" [email protected]
    >Date: 12/11/03 11:01 AM Eastern Standard Time
    >Message-id: <[email protected] gers.com>
    >The onus is on you to prove that you didn't abandon your residency in US.
    >Your better have date and reason of your absence even less than one week.
    >That would come up at POE after your return of your trip or during
    >citizenship interview.

The only thing I am ever asked about absence abroad is: "how long were you
gone?"
 
Old Dec 11th 2003, 1:30 pm
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They don't...

but all they have to do is ask: "So how long were you gone".

The dilemna being, the alien is not too sure if the IS knows exactly when he/she left. Maybe they do, maybe they don't. Should I lie? If i lie i might get deported on the spot. Should I be truthful? Then i might lose it? What if i say 2 months ago, and he asks to talk to the airline person to pull up their departure flight for that flight? What if i get trapped? etc. etc.

Officers can immediately tell when someone starts getting nervous, starts sweating and delaying an answer. Then you get pulled to secondary and grilled on when *exactly* you left. Can you pull up your depature ticket. Can you call the airline and give your confirmation # and have them confirm when your flight left originally to match up with what you said. etc. etc. It's a lot easier for them to find out when you leave by planes, etc. It's harder via land entries cuz there's no papertrail of when you left the US by car.

So it comes down to you having to tell the truth. If you don't -- of course, you could get caught and found to be breaking the law.

So...be truthful.

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Old Dec 12th 2003, 4:25 am
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They ask how long have you been out of the US, but they also check your
passport and look at their computers... The inspector doesn't have to
check with the airlines.

Last time I was out of the country for 28 days, when the inspector
asked me I said: 3 weeks, but he corrected me and replied: "28 days to
be exact"...


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Re: record of departure of a GC holder

Group: misc.immigration.usa Date: Fri, Dec 12, 2003, 2:30am (EST+5)
From: member16283@british_expats.com (supernav)
They don't...
but all they have to do is ask: "So how long were you gone".
The dilemna being, the alien is not too sure if the IS knows exactly
when he/she left. Maybe they do, maybe they don't. Should I lie? If i
lie i might get deported on the spot. Should I be truthful? Then i might
lose it? What if i say 2 months ago, and he asks to talk to the airline
person to pull up their departure flight for that flight? What if i get
trapped? etc. etc.
Officers can immediately tell when someone starts getting nervous,
starts sweating and delaying an answer. Then you get pulled to secondary
and grilled on when *exactly* you left. Can you pull up your depature
ticket. Can you call the airline and give your confirmation # and have
them confirm when your flight left originally to match up with what you
said. etc. etc. It's a lot easier for them to find out when you leave by
planes, etc. It's harder via land entries cuz there's no papertrail of
when you left the US by car.
So it comes down to you having to tell the truth. If you don't -- of
course, you could get caught and found to be breaking the law.
So...be truthful.
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Old Dec 12th 2003, 5:24 am
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Lyuba Stingle
They ask how long have you been out of the US, but they also check your
passport and look at their computers... The inspector doesn't have to
check with the airlines.

Last time I was out of the country for 28 days, when the inspector
asked me I said: 3 weeks, but he corrected me and replied: "28 days to
be exact"...


Correct, since the beginning of 2003 the airline personnel scans the green card and so they KNOW the exact length of your departure at the POE.
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Old Dec 12th 2003, 12:12 pm
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Originally posted by Kris28

Correct, since the beginning of 2003 the airline personnel scans the green card and so they KNOW the exact length of your departure at the POE.
Hi Kris:

Where can I look up this news? Thanks in advance.

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Old Dec 12th 2003, 1:10 pm
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Originally posted by belle liz
Hi Kris:

Where can I look up this news? Thanks in advance.

Belle

It´s on the UCIS website, just search for advanced passenger manifests, the airlines must provide the info before the flights arrive or depart.
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Originally posted by Kris28
It´s on the UCIS website, just search for advanced passenger manifests, the airlines must provide the info before the flights arrive or depart.
I found it.

http://uscis.gov/graphics/publicaffa...sengerdata.htm
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Old Dec 12th 2003, 7:23 pm
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it clearly says:

"temporary foreign visitors"

gc holders aren't tfv.

They can't "scan" in GC's. That would mean the GC electronic info would have to be made public for airlines to write software into their computers to read and scan them in. That info is not public of course. You can't buy a GC scanner on ebay to use as a verification tool at your work for new hires.

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Old Dec 13th 2003, 5:03 am
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On Sat, 13 Dec 2003 03:06:29 +0000, belle liz
<member18494@british_expats.com> wrote:

    >Originally posted by Kris28
    >> It´s on the UCIS website, just search for advanced passenger
    >> manifests, the airlines must provide the info before the flights
    >> arrive or depart.
    >I found it.
    >]http://uscis.gov/graphics/publicaffa...passengerdata-
    >htm[/url]

More correctly,
http://uscis.gov/graphics/publicaffa...sengerdata.htm
 
Old Dec 13th 2003, 5:30 am
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On Sat, 13 Dec 2003 08:23:23 +0000, supernav
<member16283@british_expats.com> wrote:

    >it clearly says:
    >"temporary foreign visitors"
    >gc holders aren't tfv.


But it also clearly states: "alien registration number (where
applicable)".


    >They can't "scan" in GC's. That would mean the GC electronic info would
    >have to be made public for airlines to write software into their
    >computers to read and scan them in. That info is not public of course.
    >You can't buy a GC scanner on ebay to use as a verification tool at your
    >work for new hires.

Scanning isn't necessary. The ARC number will suffice.
 
Old Dec 13th 2003, 9:04 am
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>But it also clearly states: "alien registration number (where
>applicable)".

Yeah, once again -- for TEMPORARY FOREIGN VISITORS to the US. If they ask for your GC, kindly give them that sheet.

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Old Dec 13th 2003, 9:27 am
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Originally posted by supernav
>But it also clearly states: "alien registration number (where
>applicable)".

Yeah, once again -- for TEMPORARY FOREIGN VISITORS to the US. If they ask for your GC, kindly give them that sheet.

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What sheet???? We are talking about a permanent resident card, aka Green Card, NOT about the green I- 94.
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