The NSC and 10,000 asylum adjustment applications!!!!!
Aug 26th 2003, 6:22 pm
#16
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Re: The NSC and 10,000 asylum adjustment applications!!!!!
Brake, why do you need breaks? Is your car not stopping properly?
Idiot!
Idiot!
Originally posted by Todd
WE are the world, we are the children...
Your are just another pansy socialists that hates America; why don't you go
get a tattoo and go protest something. Bangladesh, give me a ****ing
brake....
"David9287" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Some people need to grow up! United States Citizens are the most
> "spoiled" peoples of the world....ie. "the land of plenty." Yet when
> they don't get their way they whine, like little children....... oh
> the tears of discontent! Your whinning is pathetic, GROW UP! Your
> selfishness is sickening! I doubt you know the first thing about true
> AGONY or SUFFERING! ....ie. BANGLEDESH! Todd, don't come crying to me
> because you can't get on a plane and visit your fiancee.' Don't come
> crying to me for this is the path you and yours have chosen!
> Obviously you have no idea how the rest of the world lives! Paris
> isn't New York and London isn't Chicago! ROME is no Miami and Berlin
> is not San Fransisco! Moscow is not LA and Madrid is not Seattle! The
> Phillipines are not the Hawiian Islds. Hong Kong is not Las Vegas!
> Despite how bad you think it is in the States, despite all the short-
> falls, people from all over the world want just one chance, just one
> opportunity to drink from the cup of plenty. We as USCs have lived
> with nothing but opportunity....ie."the land of opportunity."
> SUFFERING AND AGONY..... you don't know the meaning of the words.
> There's a big difference between the "longing" you are experencing
> and running for your life in CUBA! As far as your attack on
> Folinskyinla............ you should be ashamed of yourself. What
> "accurate legal information" do you bring to the table? If you think
> I gain any great sence of satisfaction from knowing how many people
> are in the same boat as "us/me" you are wrong! Where's your courage?
> And your rage.......... will only eat you up inside.
> "Fortitudine Vincimus"
> It is by Endurance we Conquer!
> NSC 1NOA 3-7-03
> --
> Posted via http://britishexpats.com
WE are the world, we are the children...
Your are just another pansy socialists that hates America; why don't you go
get a tattoo and go protest something. Bangladesh, give me a ****ing
brake....
"David9287" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Some people need to grow up! United States Citizens are the most
> "spoiled" peoples of the world....ie. "the land of plenty." Yet when
> they don't get their way they whine, like little children....... oh
> the tears of discontent! Your whinning is pathetic, GROW UP! Your
> selfishness is sickening! I doubt you know the first thing about true
> AGONY or SUFFERING! ....ie. BANGLEDESH! Todd, don't come crying to me
> because you can't get on a plane and visit your fiancee.' Don't come
> crying to me for this is the path you and yours have chosen!
> Obviously you have no idea how the rest of the world lives! Paris
> isn't New York and London isn't Chicago! ROME is no Miami and Berlin
> is not San Fransisco! Moscow is not LA and Madrid is not Seattle! The
> Phillipines are not the Hawiian Islds. Hong Kong is not Las Vegas!
> Despite how bad you think it is in the States, despite all the short-
> falls, people from all over the world want just one chance, just one
> opportunity to drink from the cup of plenty. We as USCs have lived
> with nothing but opportunity....ie."the land of opportunity."
> SUFFERING AND AGONY..... you don't know the meaning of the words.
> There's a big difference between the "longing" you are experencing
> and running for your life in CUBA! As far as your attack on
> Folinskyinla............ you should be ashamed of yourself. What
> "accurate legal information" do you bring to the table? If you think
> I gain any great sence of satisfaction from knowing how many people
> are in the same boat as "us/me" you are wrong! Where's your courage?
> And your rage.......... will only eat you up inside.
> "Fortitudine Vincimus"
> It is by Endurance we Conquer!
> NSC 1NOA 3-7-03
> --
> Posted via http://britishexpats.com
Aug 26th 2003, 6:24 pm
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Re: The NSC and 10,000 asylum adjustment applications!!!!!
Originally posted by Folinskyinla
Hi:
Many, many years ago I had a government job -- due to conscription I served in the US Army [IOW, I didn't follow the "**** the draft" mentality]. I was quite fortunate to do all of my service Stateside.
I remember my wife telling me about being at the checkout line at the commissary while I was gone for all of three weeks and a woman in line asked her "how long before your husband comes home?" and my wife answers "two weeks" and she gets a response "oh, you are so lucky, my husband has 4 months left on his [one-year] tour in Vietnam" whereupon another woman sighed "count your blessings, mine was KIA."
I'm afraid your selfishness wouldn't play all that well outside of Ft. Stewart, GA.
Hi:
Many, many years ago I had a government job -- due to conscription I served in the US Army [IOW, I didn't follow the "**** the draft" mentality]. I was quite fortunate to do all of my service Stateside.
I remember my wife telling me about being at the checkout line at the commissary while I was gone for all of three weeks and a woman in line asked her "how long before your husband comes home?" and my wife answers "two weeks" and she gets a response "oh, you are so lucky, my husband has 4 months left on his [one-year] tour in Vietnam" whereupon another woman sighed "count your blessings, mine was KIA."
I'm afraid your selfishness wouldn't play all that well outside of Ft. Stewart, GA.
You seem to have some insight in certain things concerning immigration. You also seem to want justice. However it is truly a shame that all that is wasted in your basic hostility. Your posts are elitist and sententious.
What is missing the argument is its lack of logic. The best evidence is one who espouses an argument is to live by it. You don't so I discount your arguments. Is your situation truly more dire than another's? Yet you complain about injustice. Why should we complain if we are not dead? Should I not be grateful to have potable water? And the dead do not complain so naturally there should never be a complaint. Based on this policy what is you particular right to exemption? People ought to have self interest and then identify their plight with others. One's own suffering ought raise the level of compassion.
"Todd" has a cause for his expectations because it is his own republican government. If I complain about the cost of a cup of coffee how does that imply that I care for nothing else?
Aug 26th 2003, 6:48 pm
#18
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Joined: Mar 2003
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WE are the world, we are the children...
Your are just another pansy socialists that hates America; why don't you go
get a tattoo and go protest something. Bangladesh, give me a ****ing
brake....
Your are just another pansy socialists that hates America; why don't you go
get a tattoo and go protest something. Bangladesh, give me a ****ing
brake....
I stand by that.
Socialist? Perhaps. It's not "America" we hate, it's bigotry... and that isn't America's bane alone.
As for giving you a "****ing brake", as you say, I suggest you look long and hard at the world around you and try to find some compassion for your fellow man who has not been as fortunate as you. Try to live a day in someone else's shoes. Try to imagine what it's like to be separated from your wife for 3 years, knowing she may not even get out of the country alive in the first place... having had members of your family killed, some "disappeared"... knowing you'll never see them again, and probably will never see the living relatives you have ever again.
Go on. You have a heart - you love someone dearly, Todd, that much is visible - you want your fiancee with you, and you love her dearly. Just try to put yourself in the shoes of someone in a far worse situation than yourself.
E.
Aug 26th 2003, 6:57 pm
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Originally posted by Elenfair
Todd - I understand you're frustrated. I'm almost at 190 days now. We're still waiting, and we were told it'd probably be another 40 days. You have a right to be angry with the process - we all are. I've got representatives and senators tracking down our petition...
Step back. Perspective. I have friends who were married, and separated 3 years without seeing each other (no phonecalls, some letters...) until he could bring her to Canada. If he had returned home to Algeria, he would have been jailed, or killed. 3 *whole* years. He hasn't seen his parents in over 8 years now, because he can't go back, and they can't leave. He wishes he could pull his younger sibling out, but can't. Not without someone getting jailed, fined, killed or otherwise "disappeared".
I'm gonna be waiting over 9-11 months, all told, to get my visa. I've been able to visit my USC fiance in October, November, December, February, he came to Ottawa in March, I was back in May, and now I've been here visiting since the end of June and won't go back until September...
What the hell am I complaining about? What the hell are ANY of us complaining about? Sure, other service centers aren't quite FUBAR up to this extent and are approving petitions in less than one month. Yep, we don't live in their jurisdictions. Sucks, really. But it can't be helped. That's perhaps what we should be complaining about: fair and equal treatment for PEOPLE and FAMILIES - just so we're on the same footing as businesses, school and tourism.
We have a right to be frustrated at how the system *is* FUBAR. That's a legitimate complaint. However, asking our representatives and senators to put *us* before *others* just comes across as being selfish and self-centered. The Us versus Them mentality goes against everything the United States wishes to stand for, when it claims to be the land of opportunity, and of the free.
We're not alone in this, as K1ers and K3ers. There are other *people* involved. With families. With their own share of pain and hurt. Consider yourself lucky: you feel you've been done a great injustice, and you are allowed to complain about it. You can write your senators, your congresspeople, your president, you can contact the media, you can make as loud a fuss as you want. Those asylees can't - they're treated as second-rate individuals (by you, too)... who come from lands where "speaking your mind" about such injustices would land them in a ditch, somewhere, with a pile of other dead bodies.
Exercise your rights and freedoms to complain loudly about the injustice you're suffering. Just don't walk all over people who, in so many ways, are less fortunate than you are.
Maybe this all makes me a nasty evil person, but just remember that I'm going to cross that 190 day line soon. I've been waiting, too. And I'm going to continue to wait. Sure, I'm tired and fed up, but there are people out there in far worse situations than me and my fiance. No, that doesn't mean we don't have a right to complain about the fact the process is FUBAR (and we did, in a way, by asking our reps to look into things for us)... but it doesn't give us the right to claim importance over other equally deserving people.
*shrug*
Elly
Todd - I understand you're frustrated. I'm almost at 190 days now. We're still waiting, and we were told it'd probably be another 40 days. You have a right to be angry with the process - we all are. I've got representatives and senators tracking down our petition...
Step back. Perspective. I have friends who were married, and separated 3 years without seeing each other (no phonecalls, some letters...) until he could bring her to Canada. If he had returned home to Algeria, he would have been jailed, or killed. 3 *whole* years. He hasn't seen his parents in over 8 years now, because he can't go back, and they can't leave. He wishes he could pull his younger sibling out, but can't. Not without someone getting jailed, fined, killed or otherwise "disappeared".
I'm gonna be waiting over 9-11 months, all told, to get my visa. I've been able to visit my USC fiance in October, November, December, February, he came to Ottawa in March, I was back in May, and now I've been here visiting since the end of June and won't go back until September...
What the hell am I complaining about? What the hell are ANY of us complaining about? Sure, other service centers aren't quite FUBAR up to this extent and are approving petitions in less than one month. Yep, we don't live in their jurisdictions. Sucks, really. But it can't be helped. That's perhaps what we should be complaining about: fair and equal treatment for PEOPLE and FAMILIES - just so we're on the same footing as businesses, school and tourism.
We have a right to be frustrated at how the system *is* FUBAR. That's a legitimate complaint. However, asking our representatives and senators to put *us* before *others* just comes across as being selfish and self-centered. The Us versus Them mentality goes against everything the United States wishes to stand for, when it claims to be the land of opportunity, and of the free.
We're not alone in this, as K1ers and K3ers. There are other *people* involved. With families. With their own share of pain and hurt. Consider yourself lucky: you feel you've been done a great injustice, and you are allowed to complain about it. You can write your senators, your congresspeople, your president, you can contact the media, you can make as loud a fuss as you want. Those asylees can't - they're treated as second-rate individuals (by you, too)... who come from lands where "speaking your mind" about such injustices would land them in a ditch, somewhere, with a pile of other dead bodies.
Exercise your rights and freedoms to complain loudly about the injustice you're suffering. Just don't walk all over people who, in so many ways, are less fortunate than you are.
Maybe this all makes me a nasty evil person, but just remember that I'm going to cross that 190 day line soon. I've been waiting, too. And I'm going to continue to wait. Sure, I'm tired and fed up, but there are people out there in far worse situations than me and my fiance. No, that doesn't mean we don't have a right to complain about the fact the process is FUBAR (and we did, in a way, by asking our reps to look into things for us)... but it doesn't give us the right to claim importance over other equally deserving people.
*shrug*
Elly
It just makes you foolish. How does an injustice justify anything? Is a sharp shooter who intends to murder more evil than one more likely to miss? Are we in the US too difficult to oppress? Do not tell people to ignore their self interest when they are justified in doing so. It also does not imply that they do not have concern for someone else. It is a ridiculus pacifist argument that does more harm than good. By definition only one person can be justified because they suffer the most; that is until the next thing even more horrible comes along. "Do nothing, hush youself in the presence of injustice".
Who came up with this self defeatist crap? The people who have the means need to exercise there rights. Then you will be in a position to do well for another. What do you think finally broke fudalism? Who benefited? Answer: All of us.
What if someone does not see their parents for 40 years? Does that mean we can tolerate 20? The evil among us just love that attitude. "You should be greatful that I only chop off your arms, some people lose their heads". To be perfectly honesy many societies are in the state they are in because they justify another's misery by their own. That is the most selfish of all. If I wait a 300 days I am not going to deny anyone's right to find 150 days unacceptable. We have all heard this argument from our youth but did you ever ask yourself what it implies to live by it. Pure folly.
I will not forget this experience and I will watch the BCIS the rest of my life. If they screw it up half as much as when I had it I will not tolerate it.
Aug 26th 2003, 6:58 pm
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Re: The NSC and 10,000 asylum adjustment applications!!!!!
Originally posted by James Mars
You seem to have some insight in certain things concerning immigration.
You seem to have some insight in certain things concerning immigration.
What is missing the argument is its lack of logic.
Is your situation truly more dire than another's? Yet you complain about injustice. Why should we complain if we are not dead? Should I not be grateful to have potable water?
As for death and potable water, I'm afraid I'm not following your argument.
People ought to have self interest and then identify their plight with others. One's own suffering ought raise the level of compassion.
Whatever the case, you're right - people should be able to "relate" - Todd's suffering ought to raise the level of his compassion for his fellow man who is, in fact, in a far more difficult and painful situation than himself.
"Todd" has a cause for his expectations because it is his own republican government. If I complain about the cost of a cup of coffee how does that imply that I care for nothing else?
We're talking about people, here - not cups of coffee - so sure, that changes the feel of things a great deal. We all want to be with our loved ones. And we want it NOW.
There's a difference between the notion of "One for all and all for one" and "One for all and all for ME."
But hey. What do I know. I'm just some wee little Canadian wishing to get her life started in the US with her fiance.
E.
Aug 26th 2003, 7:05 pm
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Originally posted by James Mars
"Do nothing, hush youself in the presence of injustice".
"Do nothing, hush youself in the presence of injustice".
I don't think you're understanding the argument very well. This isn't a case of defeatism, or of nihilism. It's a plea for humanitarianism - not to lose sight of others while we protest for our own individual rights.
We have a right to cry out in protest. We do it. Heck, I'm involved with the NSC's action group. Still, I don't think I have the right to steamroll over OTHERS just to get my case (or my type of case) dealt with above all others.
The system is FUBAR. We all agree. We protest, we hope it will change for those who come after us. I don't think you and I disagree, fundamentally, on this issue - so this whole argument is moot.
Aug 26th 2003, 7:12 pm
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Re: The NSC and 10,000 asylum adjustment applications!!!!!
Todd wrote:
> WE are the world, we are the children...
>
> Your are just another pansy socialists that hates America; why don't you go
> get a tattoo and go protest something. Bangladesh, give me a ****ing
> brake....
As an American, I can see you are a product of our broken educational
system. Please give us a "break".
> WE are the world, we are the children...
>
> Your are just another pansy socialists that hates America; why don't you go
> get a tattoo and go protest something. Bangladesh, give me a ****ing
> brake....
As an American, I can see you are a product of our broken educational
system. Please give us a "break".
Aug 26th 2003, 7:19 pm
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I wonder if Todd's fiancee knows what kind of person he really is..... sad....
Aug 26th 2003, 7:33 pm
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Originally posted by billwilson597
the only other thing on my mind with regards to doing something to speed up these family visas is the issue of should american citizen petitions have some priority over others which is what I think Todd is trying to say in his posts
the only other thing on my mind with regards to doing something to speed up these family visas is the issue of should american citizen petitions have some priority over others which is what I think Todd is trying to say in his posts
I dont know about that, everyone has an opinion, but I think it would be nice if the family based petitions were grouped together at one center and dealt with seperately, even if not as a priority.
This being said, I think our issue with Todd is more his attack of the asylees who, frankly, got themselves royally screwed by the process.
My fiance and our families have cried and fumed and fussed over it all too. But in the end, it *will* fall into place. And I will continue to contribute to the NSC Action Group so that those after me may receive better service.
Last edited by Elenfair; Aug 26th 2003 at 8:52 pm.
Aug 26th 2003, 10:20 pm
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Re: The NSC and 10,000 asylum adjustment applications!!!!!
"Todd" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> WE are the world, we are the children...
> Your are just another pansy socialists that hates America; why don't you
go
> get a tattoo and go protest something. Bangladesh, give me a ****ing
> brake....
I just bought a shirt that was made in Banglawherever. Nice shirt!
news:[email protected]...
> WE are the world, we are the children...
> Your are just another pansy socialists that hates America; why don't you
go
> get a tattoo and go protest something. Bangladesh, give me a ****ing
> brake....
I just bought a shirt that was made in Banglawherever. Nice shirt!
Aug 26th 2003, 10:44 pm
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Re: The NSC and 10,000 asylum adjustment applications!!!!!
mmihal wrote:
> Your fiancee still is no more entitled to a visa than a refugee. It
> is not your inherit right as an USC to brink a foreign bride into
> the country.
Hi All,
Excuse me, but that is only due to laws being written to make it that way
and it sure as hell shouldn't be that way. The U.S. government uses
bringing in refugees and letting people claim asylum as political tools.
Hell we even pick up the fees for processing their applications through the
surcharges on our applications.
http://www.bcis.gov/graphics/publica...022703_fee.htm
Just like everything else the little guy gets the shaft.
Take care
Mike
> Your fiancee still is no more entitled to a visa than a refugee. It
> is not your inherit right as an USC to brink a foreign bride into
> the country.
Hi All,
Excuse me, but that is only due to laws being written to make it that way
and it sure as hell shouldn't be that way. The U.S. government uses
bringing in refugees and letting people claim asylum as political tools.
Hell we even pick up the fees for processing their applications through the
surcharges on our applications.
http://www.bcis.gov/graphics/publica...022703_fee.htm
Just like everything else the little guy gets the shaft.
Take care
Mike
Aug 26th 2003, 10:58 pm
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Re: The NSC and 10,000 asylum adjustment applications!!!!!
> Just like everything else the little guy gets the shaft.
So whats new?
Real love is sacrafised for fake fraudulant love?
US Immigration needs an enema.
Sorry for BCIS people reading this
--
Tony
'Ad Astra Per Aspera'
'A Rough Road Leads To The Stars'
Cheltenham, UK
So whats new?
Real love is sacrafised for fake fraudulant love?
US Immigration needs an enema.
Sorry for BCIS people reading this
--
Tony
'Ad Astra Per Aspera'
'A Rough Road Leads To The Stars'
Cheltenham, UK
Aug 26th 2003, 11:17 pm
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Re: The NSC and 10,000 asylum adjustment applications!!!!!
Originally posted by Michael D. Young
mmihal wrote:
> Your fiancee still is no more entitled to a visa than a refugee. It
> is not your inherit right as an USC to brink a foreign bride into
> the country.
Hi All,
Excuse me, but that is only due to laws being written to make it that way
and it sure as hell shouldn't be that way. The U.S. government uses
bringing in refugees and letting people claim asylum as political tools.
Hell we even pick up the fees for processing their applications through the
surcharges on our applications.
http://www.bcis.gov/graphics/publica...022703_fee.htm
Just like everything else the little guy gets the shaft.
Take care
Mike
mmihal wrote:
> Your fiancee still is no more entitled to a visa than a refugee. It
> is not your inherit right as an USC to brink a foreign bride into
> the country.
Hi All,
Excuse me, but that is only due to laws being written to make it that way
and it sure as hell shouldn't be that way. The U.S. government uses
bringing in refugees and letting people claim asylum as political tools.
Hell we even pick up the fees for processing their applications through the
surcharges on our applications.
http://www.bcis.gov/graphics/publica...022703_fee.htm
Just like everything else the little guy gets the shaft.
Take care
Mike
Please note that I was talking about asylee ADJUSTMENTS. The I-589 is free and the FIRST I-765 is free and then the subsidies end. I'm not sure, but this is a matter of international treaty in the Refugee Convention of 1951.
However, after the first EAD, the subsequent I-765's are subject to the same filing fee. And the I-485 for the AOS pays the same $255 plus $50.
Also, Asylees [& refugees] have to pay for I-131's if they want to travel on a "Refugee Travel Document." Which, unlike the "Re-entry Permit" for LPR's is good for only one year.
Aug 26th 2003, 11:40 pm
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Bill,
Some of our impatient young posters could use an understanding of what the term 'hardship' really means.
Thanks for the reminder, and thanks for your sacrifice.
Regards, JEff
Some of our impatient young posters could use an understanding of what the term 'hardship' really means.
Thanks for the reminder, and thanks for your sacrifice.
Regards, JEff
Originally posted by billwilson597
I was a p.o.w. for five years, and I sometimes complain about waiting for my fiance to come to the USA, but to be honest I can do this standing on my head drinking a lemonade as compared to the hell i cant describe that I endured in the jungles of southeast asia.
I was a p.o.w. for five years, and I sometimes complain about waiting for my fiance to come to the USA, but to be honest I can do this standing on my head drinking a lemonade as compared to the hell i cant describe that I endured in the jungles of southeast asia.
Aug 27th 2003, 12:48 am
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Re: The NSC and 10,000 asylum adjustment applications!!!!!
Another grammar bitch; it's called news posting, not English 350.
"mrtravel" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Todd wrote:
> > WE are the world, we are the children...
> >
> > Your are just another pansy socialists that hates America; why don't you
go
> > get a tattoo and go protest something. Bangladesh, give me a ****ing
> > brake....
> As an American, I can see you are a product of our broken educational
> system. Please give us a "break".
"mrtravel" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Todd wrote:
> > WE are the world, we are the children...
> >
> > Your are just another pansy socialists that hates America; why don't you
go
> > get a tattoo and go protest something. Bangladesh, give me a ****ing
> > brake....
> As an American, I can see you are a product of our broken educational
> system. Please give us a "break".