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Apr 29th 2001, 11:38 am
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This reminds me of the series of books that one of the more famous dommsday writers
came up with: First, in the early 90ies, it was "The Decline and Fall of the American
Programmer", Then, in the mid-90ies, it was "The Rise and Resurrection of the
American Programmer". Go figure. Doomsday scenarios usually don't happen. Here's
another newsflash to get your latent racism in high gear: Motorola's India
development department is one of the very few departments worldwide that is on SEI
Level 5. So take a reality pill yourself. There are people in other countries who can
do the same work as Americans can. What makes you think you are alone in the world?
Or do you want to take a step back into isolationism? If you advocate that, say so.
You would see much more problems to the American IT industry.
E.g., the rest of the world doesn't need Cisco, there are enough smart people to
develop fast routers elsewhere. However, Cisco needs the rest of the world to
sell their routers.
-Joe
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This reminds me of the series of books that one of the more famous dommsday writers
came up with: First, in the early 90ies, it was "The Decline and Fall of the American
Programmer", Then, in the mid-90ies, it was "The Rise and Resurrection of the
American Programmer". Go figure. Doomsday scenarios usually don't happen. Here's
another newsflash to get your latent racism in high gear: Motorola's India
development department is one of the very few departments worldwide that is on SEI
Level 5. So take a reality pill yourself. There are people in other countries who can
do the same work as Americans can. What makes you think you are alone in the world?
Or do you want to take a step back into isolationism? If you advocate that, say so.
You would see much more problems to the American IT industry.
E.g., the rest of the world doesn't need Cisco, there are enough smart people to
develop fast routers elsewhere. However, Cisco needs the rest of the world to
sell their routers.
-Joe
Apr 29th 2001, 2:00 pm
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You are afraid to compete. You are a loser. My sympathies.
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[usenetquote2]> >Why not GLOBAL labor markets? Aren't you good enough to compete globally? What are[/usenetquote2]
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"I swear by my life and by my love of it - that I will never live for the sake of
another man, nor ask another man to live for mine."
-- John Galt, hero of Atlas Shrugged
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/AS...76/andresworld
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[usenetquote2]> >Why not GLOBAL labor markets? Aren't you good enough to compete globally? What are[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> >you afraid of?[/usenetquote2]
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"I swear by my life and by my love of it - that I will never live for the sake of
another man, nor ask another man to live for mine."
-- John Galt, hero of Atlas Shrugged
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/AS...76/andresworld
Apr 29th 2001, 2:01 pm
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The way I see it, you are the greedy one, not wanting to share some of the wealth
with foreign workers.
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"I swear by my life and by my love of it - that I will never live for the sake of
another man, nor ask another man to live for mine."
-- John Galt, hero of Atlas Shrugged
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/AS...76/andresworld
with foreign workers.
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"I swear by my life and by my love of it - that I will never live for the sake of
another man, nor ask another man to live for mine."
-- John Galt, hero of Atlas Shrugged
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/AS...76/andresworld
Apr 29th 2001, 2:15 pm
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Apr 29th 2001, 2:29 pm
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You are afraid to compete. You are a loser. My sympathies.
By the way, where I live there is a strong demand for construction workers. You might
want to give it a try. Although I don't think you'd be able to compete with the
Hispanics...
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"I swear by my life and by my love of it - that I will never live for the sake of
another man, nor ask another man to live for mine."
-- John Galt, hero of Atlas Shrugged
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/AS...76/andresworld
By the way, where I live there is a strong demand for construction workers. You might
want to give it a try. Although I don't think you'd be able to compete with the
Hispanics...
Dan wrote:
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"I swear by my life and by my love of it - that I will never live for the sake of
another man, nor ask another man to live for mine."
-- John Galt, hero of Atlas Shrugged
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/AS...76/andresworld
Apr 29th 2001, 4:01 pm
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Apr 29th 2001, 4:36 pm
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So when did H1B visa holders replace US workers? You are aware that there (still) is
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Apr 29th 2001, 4:47 pm
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When has any of the big H1B users done this? In fact, had i not been for the H1B
visas, Cisco would never have been able to grow. The H1B visas made life better for
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Has it? How so? Are US technology workers in Cisco, typically in the $80-150K bracket
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When has any of the big H1B users done this? In fact, had i not been for the H1B
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Has it? How so? Are US technology workers in Cisco, typically in the $80-150K bracket
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Just out of curiosity, do you think the 20 years of expansion is something that came
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view that Carlos is expressing.
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the Japanes (for example) and importing lots of cheap labor in all areas of the
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the Japanes (for example) and importing lots of cheap labor in all areas of the
society has been a very important factor in this growth.
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Joe,
So you are one of those who likes to use the race card. What a shill. This has
nothing to do with racism.
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Sorry, Carlos, but NO American can compete with someone making $2,000 a year. Are you
too stupid to realize that the cost of living in the US is actually higher than the
cost of living in the third world?
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That must be why everything in the entire world economy is made by foreigners and
not Americans. Every single American is unemployed because they can't compete with
someone who will work for only $2000 a year and others will. We produce and
consume nothing at all here in the United States because we don't make only $2000
a year. NOT!! Take a reality pill dude, your theories are very easily scuttled.
That must be why everything in the entire world economy is made by foreigners and
not Americans. Every single American is unemployed because they can't compete with
someone who will work for only $2000 a year and others will. We produce and
consume nothing at all here in the United States because we don't make only $2000
a year. NOT!! Take a reality pill dude, your theories are very easily scuttled.