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Apr 29th 2001, 7:39 pm
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You might be right. Paranoid schizophrenia is not racism.
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You might be right. Paranoid schizophrenia is not racism.
Apr 29th 2001, 8:09 pm
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He's worse than that. He doesn't want foreign workers to create their own wealth. In
addition, he wants them to buy everything from the US without us buying anything
from them.
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addition, he wants them to buy everything from the US without us buying anything
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Apr 29th 2001, 8:11 pm
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[usenetquote2]>> Carlos can argue about sacred property rights and the holiness of making the[/usenetquote2]
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[usenetquote2]>> Carlos can argue about sacred property rights and the holiness of making the[/usenetquote2]
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Apr 29th 2001, 8:13 pm
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It doesn't help him breathe. It just stinks up the place.
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Apr 29th 2001, 8:35 pm
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"Terje A. Bergesen" wrote:
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I believe its luck. Market economies periodically go down. We are overdue for a big
recession/depression. But if you look at the current expansion it hasn't been that
good except for the rich. The median family's wealth has stayed constant even with
the expansion of second member work (wife) and more hours for the primary income.
This actually comes out to less money per man hour worked.
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No the US is in unsustainable and eventually destructive population growth. Its
basically a population/economic Ponzi scheme and eventually the shit is going to
hit the fan.
Your sig says you are posting from California, you should look at
http://www.cap-s.org "Californians for Population Stabilization".
CA Population:
1941 Â 7,237,000 1945 9,344,000 1950 10,643,000 1955 13,004,000 1960 15,863,000 1965
18,464,000 1970 20,039,000 1975 21,538,000 1980 23,782,000 1985 26,403,000 1990
29,944,000 1995 32,063,000 1999 34,036,000
Since I was born, CA population has more than doubled. For my parents its more like a
factor of 6. This is clearly unsustainable.
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I believe its luck. Market economies periodically go down. We are overdue for a big
recession/depression. But if you look at the current expansion it hasn't been that
good except for the rich. The median family's wealth has stayed constant even with
the expansion of second member work (wife) and more hours for the primary income.
This actually comes out to less money per man hour worked.
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No the US is in unsustainable and eventually destructive population growth. Its
basically a population/economic Ponzi scheme and eventually the shit is going to
hit the fan.
Your sig says you are posting from California, you should look at
http://www.cap-s.org "Californians for Population Stabilization".
CA Population:
1941 Â 7,237,000 1945 9,344,000 1950 10,643,000 1955 13,004,000 1960 15,863,000 1965
18,464,000 1970 20,039,000 1975 21,538,000 1980 23,782,000 1985 26,403,000 1990
29,944,000 1995 32,063,000 1999 34,036,000
Since I was born, CA population has more than doubled. For my parents its more like a
factor of 6. This is clearly unsustainable.
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Apr 29th 2001, 9:51 pm
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Apr 29th 2001, 10:03 pm
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Think about something (if you can):
NEWSFLASH: it has ALWAYS been the case, throughout the entire history of the US, that
there were workers overseas in some foreign land willing to accept lower wages than
Americans, and yet America continued to trounce most of the rest of the world despite
this. Why should we expect that this has changed all of a sudden, after two
centuries? Are you seriously going to argue that American CEO's and managers have all
of a sudden become stupid and incompetent but weren't before, or that this is the
first time the US govt has permitted foreigners into the US to work? Ridiculous.
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NEWSFLASH: it has ALWAYS been the case, throughout the entire history of the US, that
there were workers overseas in some foreign land willing to accept lower wages than
Americans, and yet America continued to trounce most of the rest of the world despite
this. Why should we expect that this has changed all of a sudden, after two
centuries? Are you seriously going to argue that American CEO's and managers have all
of a sudden become stupid and incompetent but weren't before, or that this is the
first time the US govt has permitted foreigners into the US to work? Ridiculous.
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Apr 29th 2001, 11:19 pm
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Rubbish. Economies are created, they do not come and go as the weather. They are a
reflection on how we work, and how we do business.
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Recessions and depressions come for a reason. There were many good reasons for the
'29 depression, there were many good reasons for the problems in '87, and there are
lots of good reasons for our current predicament. All of these are related to how we
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This is clearly baloney. Wealth is clearly up, people are having a lot less
problems, but yes, some more are falling on the outside. That is to be expected. The
current US financial growth has not only helped the majority of US citizens, it has
also helped the world. Less people die of starvation etc today than in any
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Yup, great numbers... And in the same period California has developed to be come, by
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Rubbish. Economies are created, they do not come and go as the weather. They are a
reflection on how we work, and how we do business.
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Recessions and depressions come for a reason. There were many good reasons for the
'29 depression, there were many good reasons for the problems in '87, and there are
lots of good reasons for our current predicament. All of these are related to how we
do business.
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This is clearly baloney. Wealth is clearly up, people are having a lot less
problems, but yes, some more are falling on the outside. That is to be expected. The
current US financial growth has not only helped the majority of US citizens, it has
also helped the world. Less people die of starvation etc today than in any
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Yup, great numbers... And in the same period California has developed to be come, by
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Show me data that the US median salary per family member man hour has climbed in
inflation indexed dollars. I don't think you can. I know for a fact that non-college
educated male compensation has plummeted. And while you are at it, how about showing
me data that health coverage benefits are increasing in the US or that American
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Show me data that the US median salary per family member man hour has climbed in
inflation indexed dollars. I don't think you can. I know for a fact that non-college
educated male compensation has plummeted. And while you are at it, how about showing
me data that health coverage benefits are increasing in the US or that American
families are now more secure.
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Apr 30th 2001, 12:59 am
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No, it wouldn't. I recommend a good book on Economics, for instance,
Economics in One Lesson by Henry Hazlitt
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0517548232
Regards, Carlos Antunes.
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"I swear by my life and by my love of it - that I will never live for the sake of
another man, nor ask another man to live for mine."
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http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/AS...76/andresworld
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No, it wouldn't. I recommend a good book on Economics, for instance,
Economics in One Lesson by Henry Hazlitt
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0517548232
Regards, Carlos Antunes.
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"I swear by my life and by my love of it - that I will never live for the sake of
another man, nor ask another man to live for mine."
-- John Galt, hero of Atlas Shrugged
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/AS...76/andresworld
Apr 30th 2001, 1:42 am
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The reason is called "productivity". Now, go take Econ 101.
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http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/AS...76/andresworld
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http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/AS...76/andresworld
Apr 30th 2001, 1:46 am
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Get an education, then, and stop whining.
Regards, Carlos Antunes.
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"I swear by my life and by my love of it - that I will never live for the sake of
another man, nor ask another man to live for mine."
-- John Galt, hero of Atlas Shrugged
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/AS...76/andresworld
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Regards, Carlos Antunes.
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"I swear by my life and by my love of it - that I will never live for the sake of
another man, nor ask another man to live for mine."
-- John Galt, hero of Atlas Shrugged
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/AS...76/andresworld
Apr 30th 2001, 3:20 am
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Excellent book recommendation, but what makes you think that Jay reads books?
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Apr 30th 2001, 3:34 am
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I used to teach Econ 101, among other things. I can already tell what kind of student
Dan would be. He would be like the one student I had once who embarrassed herself in
class after failing the second test by asking loudly if there was ANYBODY that was
passing the class. Everybody else looked at her like she was nuts. In the class of
over two dozen students she was one of only two students who were getting an F at
that point and the other F student never came to class except for the tests.
These guys in a.c.c that bitch and moan about there being no jobs in IT remind me of
students who argue that they shouldn't get an F, because they came to every class and
should at least get a passing grade because of their attendance, or (and this still
cracks me up) because they had to pay for the course. One thing teaching taught me is
that in every group of human beings larger than roughly two dozen there will be at
least three total ****ups, one or two perfect ones, and a whole lot of average people
in the middle.
The very bottom of the bell curve congregates together and strokes each others' egos
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Dan would be. He would be like the one student I had once who embarrassed herself in
class after failing the second test by asking loudly if there was ANYBODY that was
passing the class. Everybody else looked at her like she was nuts. In the class of
over two dozen students she was one of only two students who were getting an F at
that point and the other F student never came to class except for the tests.
These guys in a.c.c that bitch and moan about there being no jobs in IT remind me of
students who argue that they shouldn't get an F, because they came to every class and
should at least get a passing grade because of their attendance, or (and this still
cracks me up) because they had to pay for the course. One thing teaching taught me is
that in every group of human beings larger than roughly two dozen there will be at
least three total ****ups, one or two perfect ones, and a whole lot of average people
in the middle.
The very bottom of the bell curve congregates together and strokes each others' egos
in places like a.c.c.
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