Immigration reform
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Re: Immigration reform
Do you have something to back up this assertion?
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Re: Immigration reform
In hosting America's largest population of illegal immigrants, California bears a huge cost to provide basic human services for this fast growing, low-income segment of its population. A new study from the Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR) examines the costs of education, health care and incarceration of illegal aliens, and concludes that the costs to Californians is $10.5 billion per year.
http://usgovinfo.about.com/od/immigr...caillegals.htm
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Re: Immigration reform
They create minimal demand and cost more than they contribute.
In hosting America's largest population of illegal immigrants, California bears a huge cost to provide basic human services for this fast growing, low-income segment of its population. A new study from the Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR) examines the costs of education, health care and incarceration of illegal aliens, and concludes that the costs to Californians is $10.5 billion per year.
http://usgovinfo.about.com/od/immigr...caillegals.htm
In hosting America's largest population of illegal immigrants, California bears a huge cost to provide basic human services for this fast growing, low-income segment of its population. A new study from the Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR) examines the costs of education, health care and incarceration of illegal aliens, and concludes that the costs to Californians is $10.5 billion per year.
http://usgovinfo.about.com/od/immigr...caillegals.htm
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Re: Immigration reform
At the end of the day if illegal immigrants were so beneficial then they wouldn't be illegal would they, they would be welcomed by the immigration system that America already has.
We need to stop illegal immigration and figure out a sensible and humane way of dealing with those already here.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economi...nefit_analysis
I pretty much agree on this.
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A number of cost-benefit studies linked in here. Not a bad discussion of costs and benefits earlier on on the page too:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economi...nefit_analysis
You are assuming that immigration policy is economically rational. It clearly isn't. Just look at the low numbers of visas issued per year fro skilled applicants, for example. Illegal immigrants are often little more than a convenient scapegoat for economic woes.
I pretty much agree on this.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economi...nefit_analysis
You are assuming that immigration policy is economically rational. It clearly isn't. Just look at the low numbers of visas issued per year fro skilled applicants, for example. Illegal immigrants are often little more than a convenient scapegoat for economic woes.
I pretty much agree on this.
Yes I'm assuming immigration policy is somewhat rational, an assumption based on more than just visas issued. Are you suggesting America does not need an immigration policy and an open door policy or ignoring illegals is economically rational?
claiming that illegal immigrants are convenient scapegoats for economic woes? That's a diversion and poor attempt to simply sweep a problem under the rug. As I have said they are not the sole blame but they contribute towards the woes.
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Re: Immigration reform
I don't value Wikipedia as a credible source as do most American universities. But your source also claims "Households headed by illegal aliens imposed more than $26.3 billion in costs on the federal government in 2002 and paid only $16 billion in taxes". An economic woe? Not as one sided as I think? Mmm
As for your quote, it's odd that you missed out this:
The Center for Immigration Studies, an organization that advocates Immigration reduction in the United States, reported in 2004...
http://www.immigrationpolicy.org/jus...ed-immigration
http://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/...r-unemployment
http://www.cato.org/sites/cato.org/f...tember2010.pdf
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Re: Immigration reform
That's why I specifically pointed to references in the wikipedia article.
As for your quote, it's odd that you missed out this:
Maybe not exactly a neutral observer...
No, I'm suggesting that its currently immigration policies are irrational. They frequently discourage migrants who have the skills that would benefit the country and they largely turn a blind eye to illegal labour that many US companies rely on. Etc etc.
I hear it all the time. "Immigrants are taking our jobs away".
http://www.immigrationpolicy.org/jus...ed-immigration
http://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/...r-unemployment
http://www.cato.org/sites/cato.org/f...tember2010.pdf
As for your quote, it's odd that you missed out this:
Maybe not exactly a neutral observer...
No, I'm suggesting that its currently immigration policies are irrational. They frequently discourage migrants who have the skills that would benefit the country and they largely turn a blind eye to illegal labour that many US companies rely on. Etc etc.
I hear it all the time. "Immigrants are taking our jobs away".
http://www.immigrationpolicy.org/jus...ed-immigration
http://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/...r-unemployment
http://www.cato.org/sites/cato.org/f...tember2010.pdf
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Re: Immigration reform
Good for a laugh.
http://www.azcentral.com/news/politi...der-fence.html
NOGALES, Ariz. -- The top Democratic and Republican Senate negotiators on forthcoming immigration-reform legislation toured the Arizona-Mexico border on Wednesday, watching as U.S. authorities apprehended a woman who had scaled a border fence and reiterating their commitment to strengthening security along the international line.
Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., and Sen. Charles Schumer, D-N.Y., are leading the ongoing bipartisan “Gang of Eight” talks that many hope will result in the introduction of a sweeping bill when the Senate returns to session after a two-week Easter break.
The two veteran lawmakers were joined on the tour, which included a helicopter ride, by two other Gang of Eight members: Sens. Jeff Flake, R-Ariz., and Michael Bennet, D-Colo. The senators have been struggling to come to terms on big issues such as the future flow of foreign workers into the country, but the message from the quartet in southern Arizona was that the bill is moving forward.
Schumer, who is chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee’s immigration subcommittee, was making his first visit to the border and said his observations will make it easier for him to persuade colleagues about the need for additional border measures.
“What I learned today is we have adequate manpower but not adequate technology,” Schumer said at a noon news conference. “And John has been saying that all along.”
At one point during the border tour, the senators witnessed a woman scaling an 18-foot fence a few yards from the entourage. McCain tweeted about the incident, telling his Twitter audience that the Border Patrol took the woman into custody.
http://www.azcentral.com/news/politi...der-fence.html
NOGALES, Ariz. -- The top Democratic and Republican Senate negotiators on forthcoming immigration-reform legislation toured the Arizona-Mexico border on Wednesday, watching as U.S. authorities apprehended a woman who had scaled a border fence and reiterating their commitment to strengthening security along the international line.
Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., and Sen. Charles Schumer, D-N.Y., are leading the ongoing bipartisan “Gang of Eight” talks that many hope will result in the introduction of a sweeping bill when the Senate returns to session after a two-week Easter break.
The two veteran lawmakers were joined on the tour, which included a helicopter ride, by two other Gang of Eight members: Sens. Jeff Flake, R-Ariz., and Michael Bennet, D-Colo. The senators have been struggling to come to terms on big issues such as the future flow of foreign workers into the country, but the message from the quartet in southern Arizona was that the bill is moving forward.
Schumer, who is chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee’s immigration subcommittee, was making his first visit to the border and said his observations will make it easier for him to persuade colleagues about the need for additional border measures.
“What I learned today is we have adequate manpower but not adequate technology,” Schumer said at a noon news conference. “And John has been saying that all along.”
At one point during the border tour, the senators witnessed a woman scaling an 18-foot fence a few yards from the entourage. McCain tweeted about the incident, telling his Twitter audience that the Border Patrol took the woman into custody.
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Re: Immigration reform
Good for a laugh.
http://www.azcentral.com/news/politi...der-fence.html
At one point during the border tour, the senators witnessed a woman scaling an 18-foot fence a few yards from the entourage. McCain tweeted about the incident, telling his Twitter audience that the Border Patrol took the woman into custody.
http://www.azcentral.com/news/politi...der-fence.html
At one point during the border tour, the senators witnessed a woman scaling an 18-foot fence a few yards from the entourage. McCain tweeted about the incident, telling his Twitter audience that the Border Patrol took the woman into custody.
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For a 20 year old a 40 something is old, for an 80 year old a 55 year old is a youngster.
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Re: Immigration reform
I'm calling a spade a spade. I have not heard of any issues with illegal immigrants that tend to be of a Muslim faith so I'm surprised you're surprised.
There are plenty of legal catholic and morman familes that pay their way and are not a drain on welfare and other social programs.
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It is my understanding that more than half the illegal immigrants are not from Latin America, in fact they came here with visitor visas or on the VWP and overstayed. They did not jump the fence.
As for the who pays for whom right now it works as such: You paid for someone else, I am paying for you now, my children will pay for me later.
No more socialist programs like Medicare or Social Security. If you paid before and are receiving now – too bad you are out of your money. Go get a job, I don’t care if you can or not. It that what you are saying?
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Re: Immigration reform
http://www.prb.org/Publications/Data...opulation.aspx
Mexico's fertility rate is actually even lower - 2.1.
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Fine each employer a million bucks for each illegal employee and the problem goes away over night.
Then you'd probably end up with $3 a tomato and a $10 big mac.