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Old Jan 15th 2006, 3:39 am
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It's amazing what some people will do nowadays to come to settle in
USA. I believe I am a victim of this and I will tell you my situation.
I am hoping that you can enlighten me on what the motives may have
been...

I am a Canadian citizen and I married a girl from India in December
2004. After applying through spousal sponsorship, she came to Canada
in July 2005. She stayed for 3 days and left to a friend's place and
then filed a domestic assault case against me. I got arrested for no
reason and there's a case against me. The situation is that this
so-called wife of mine, has sisters living in the USA (they've lived in
the USA for 4-7 years) and her parents just recently got their visa to
come to the USA about a month ago. I assume that her parents are now
USA citizens.

Now, my suspicion is that she may have possibly done all this so that
she can unite with her parents and sisters in USA. Can you tell me
what is the best possible way that her parents or sisters can sponsor
my so-called wife? What is the quickest way? As I was told, it may
take from 5-10 years to sponsor unmarried brother or sister from India.
Is it quicker to sponsor my so-called wife from USA to Canada? If so,
how long? Can they (sister or parents) only sponsor her if she is
unmarried?

I need some feedback as to what you think they may have planned? Our
immigration system in Canada is screwed up, so it is unfortunate that
they are not able to do anything, as there is no clear evidence. Any
ideas???
 
Old Jan 15th 2006, 3:53 am
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Originally Posted by Mark
It's amazing what some people will do nowadays to come to settle in
USA. I believe I am a victim of this and I will tell you my situation.
I am hoping that you can enlighten me on what the motives may have
been...

I am a Canadian citizen and I married a girl from India in December
2004. After applying through spousal sponsorship, she came to Canada
in July 2005. She stayed for 3 days and left to a friend's place and
then filed a domestic assault case against me. I got arrested for no
reason and there's a case against me. The situation is that this
so-called wife of mine, has sisters living in the USA (they've lived in
the USA for 4-7 years) and her parents just recently got their visa to
come to the USA about a month ago. I assume that her parents are now
USA citizens.

Now, my suspicion is that she may have possibly done all this so that
she can unite with her parents and sisters in USA. Can you tell me
what is the best possible way that her parents or sisters can sponsor
my so-called wife? What is the quickest way? As I was told, it may
take from 5-10 years to sponsor unmarried brother or sister from India.
Is it quicker to sponsor my so-called wife from USA to Canada? If so,
how long? Can they (sister or parents) only sponsor her if she is
unmarried?

I need some feedback as to what you think they may have planned? Our
immigration system in Canada is screwed up, so it is unfortunate that
they are not able to do anything, as there is no clear evidence. Any
ideas???
"and her parents just recently got their visa to
come to the USA about a month ago. I assume that her parents are now
USA citizens."

Impossible. You can't go from visa to citizen in a month. It takes years.

Any immigrant petition for her will take years. Being in Canada doesn't help her get a US immigrant visa any faster.

She probably plans to get a visitor visa and then make a one-way trip to the US. Once there, she'll probably marry some other guy for a green card, maybe even a sham marriage to a cousin or something.
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Originally Posted by crg14624

She probably plans to get a visitor visa and then make a one-way trip to the US. Once there, she'll probably marry some other guy for a green card, maybe even a sham marriage to a cousin or something.
Is this really much different to people from Latin America crossing the border illegally and working here? People are coming for opportunity. It makes me cross because I (USC) am going through a considerable amount of frustration and expense to get my husband a "green card." Said frustration and expense are ascribed to the amount of fraud going on. Seems to me that fraud is going to take place no matter HOW much pain the USCIS causes legitimate (non-fraud) couples.
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Old Jan 15th 2006, 6:32 am
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Mark wrote on 01/14/06 20:39:

    > It's amazing what some people will do nowadays to come to settle in
    > USA. I believe I am a victim of this and I will tell you my situation.
    > I am hoping that you can enlighten me on what the motives may have
    > been...
    >
    > I am a Canadian citizen and I married a girl from India in December
    > 2004. After applying through spousal sponsorship, she came to Canada
    > in July 2005. She stayed for 3 days and left to a friend's place and
    > then filed a domestic assault case against me.


Of course, that's only your side of the story...
Domestic violence cases are often he said-she said.
I suggest getting a lawyer and not posting stuff that could be seen as libel in
a public newsgroup.

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Old Jan 15th 2006, 1:07 pm
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Originally Posted by snowbunny
Is this really much different to people from Latin America crossing the border illegally and working here? People are coming for opportunity. It makes me cross because I (USC) am going through a considerable amount of frustration and expense to get my husband a "green card." Said frustration and expense are ascribed to the amount of fraud going on. Seems to me that fraud is going to take place no matter HOW much pain the USCIS causes legitimate (non-fraud) couples.
Most come for legitimate opportunities. Some come for criminal opportunities like robbery, sex slavery, rape, murder, check fraud, car theft, organized crime etc. A small minority come to blow things up.

In my experience there is considerably less hassle to get an immigrant visa from a US consulate overseas than adjusting from inside the US. Which path are you taking? If adjusting, how did the husband enter the US?
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Old Jan 15th 2006, 1:30 pm
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Originally Posted by Mark
I need some feedback as to what you think they may have planned?
Why on earth do you even care? I mean, what possible use to you is the information? There's absolutely nothing you can do about it... and revenge is an all-consuming trap! Talk to a lawyer and get yourself some good advice about your next steps! A public newsgroup, which she or someone in her family might also read, is not the place to discuss such things!

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Originally Posted by Mark
Our immigration system in Canada is screwed up, so it is unfortunate that they are not able to do anything, as there is no clear evidence.
What do you think that CIC can do? You presented CIC with a legitimate marriage certificate and sponsored this person. Canada has got a policy of family reunification, so CIC has to give your spouse the PR immediately. All western European countries have this same policy of giving the PR to the spouse immediately without the 2-year conditional PR. CIC cannot revoke her PR unless you prove that the marriage was fraudulent.

It is in your best interests if she gets out of Canada as soon as possible. If she claims any social assistance funds, they are going to come after you for recovery of these funds.

I don't want to sound intrusive, but I was just wondering how much time you spent with each other (in physical presence) before you decided to spend $50,000 in marriage and immigration costs. You could have easily have brought her to Canada on a TRV visa for a few months before going ahead with the marriage.
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Originally Posted by snowbunny
Is this really much different to people from Latin America crossing the border illegally and working here? People are coming for opportunity. It makes me cross because I (USC) am going through a considerable amount of frustration and expense to get my husband a "green card." Said frustration and expense are ascribed to the amount of fraud going on. Seems to me that fraud is going to take place no matter HOW much pain the USCIS causes legitimate (non-fraud) couples.
sb, Thoughts like this are a road to mental torture.
Don't do it to yourself

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Old Jan 15th 2006, 7:53 pm
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I understand where you're coming from, but it is not a matter of
revenge for me. It is a case of doing the right thing. We can't let
these kinds of people continue to get away with this fraud. If there
is a way to deport this so-called wife, then I feel that I should do my
best and take every possible action. Sometimes you have to keep on
pushing and pushing to get the right results. I am just trying to
understand all the motives, who knew, who was involved, etc.

I've spoken to Lawyers and I will not go through an immigration lawyer
to fight my case, as it is too costly...

I am aware that this information is posted publicly, however it is not
much of a concern to me.

Thanks for your advice.

    > Why on earth do you even care? I mean, what possible use to you is the
    > information? There's absolutely nothing you can do about it... and
    > revenge is an all-consuming trap! Talk to a lawyer and get yourself
    > some good advice about your next steps! A public newsgroup, which she
    > or someone in her family might also read, is not the place to discuss
    > such things!
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Old Jan 15th 2006, 8:10 pm
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Originally Posted by Mark
It is a case of doing the right thing. We can't let
these kinds of people continue to get away with this fraud. If there
is a way to deport this so-called wife, then I feel that I should do my
best and take every possible action.
CIC and USCIS are all too well aware of the fraud that happens on a general basis. Your wife, if your story is accurate, is just one more person to them.

To you: protect your interests first. You will need a lawyer if you are going to file for divorce, which you should do, and you probably need an immigration lawyer. If you think you cannot afford a lawyer, you can't afford to NOT have a lawyer if your wife is as devious as you paint her to be.
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Old Jan 15th 2006, 8:13 pm
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CIC will either ignore this case and put it in their long queue and get
to it years and years later OR if I am lucky, CIC may give me a chance
to prove to them that she came to Canada for immigration reasons. I
don't know why they didn't take any immediate action, as she left me
within 3 days after arriving to Canada. I think that was because CIC
probably thought that I commited domestic violence and that I was just
contacting CIC because I wanted her deported. I actually reported the
same day that she left, but the immigration officer didn't care very
much and said to write a letter to their office in Missisauga. She
already got her visa when she landed here, so it's very likely that she
will be staying here in Canada and later sponsor her lover from India.
I am not fully sure why she filed a domestic violence case against me.
Many immigration lawyers are also puzzled by this, as it is normally
not the case.

I believe that her sisters and parents in USA knew of this whole plot,
but there is no clear evidence. After she left, her family never
contacted me or issued an appology, so the whole plot was in the
works...

I just want her to go back to where she came from. She shouldn't be
using me for marriage to come to Canada for the benefit of bringing her
lover, making money and also uniting wiith family members. This is
very cruel. It is inhuman. Rex, you may be right about a travel
visa, but I never had imagined such a nightmare, like mine, to happen.

Thank you for your advice...
 
Old Jan 15th 2006, 8:16 pm
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    > Impossible. You can't go from visa to citizen in a month. It
    > takes years.

perhaps, it is a green card that they have obtained, so you are very
likely correct. I am not aware of how the process works in USA.

Thanks.
 
Old Jan 15th 2006, 8:27 pm
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Of course, this is my side of the story. You believe what you want. I
am not trying to get out of the domestic violence case to get out of
this situation. That is a whole separate issue. I understand where
you're coming from, and, if I was someone else reading the original
posting, I also would have doubts, just like you. This is what makes
my situation much complicated...

Truth is the truth. I will post this publicly by choice. I am only
inquiring about the immigration part of it and to seek the full
motivations behind my so-called wife's plot.
 
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Originally Posted by Mark
Of course, this is my side of the story. You believe what you want. I
am not trying to get out of the domestic violence case to get out of
this situation. That is a whole separate issue. I understand where
you're coming from, and, if I was someone else reading the original
posting, I also would have doubts, just like you. This is what makes
my situation much complicated...

Truth is the truth. I will post this publicly by choice. I am only
inquiring about the immigration part of it and to seek the full
motivations behind my so-called wife's plot.
I think that you should be concerned about your options and protecting your personal interests than trying to worry about her ultimate plan. If she has an Indian lover, it's also possible that she aimed to immigrate to Canada and then bring him there. I don't know the immigration process for Canada, and if you have to pledge support or not, but ifthat is so and she leaves the country couldn't that work to your personal advantage?
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What a nasty little tosser you are ... perhaps you could take a lesson in how to address various nationalities ... And you facts are way out as well ...

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