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Originally posted by malpjc hello,the 2 eldest think it's a good idea but they can only see it from the beach/beer point of view and my daughter did not like the idea to start with because of her friends,she has now got used to the idea but think she would rather stay here,i think we need another family meeting to discuss the things we have read on here today,thanks for your reply |
Originally posted by Tapalinga Would we stay if all our families lived here, we can't really say, but i know that there are lots of other factors for returning not just family. The weather in Qlds in the summer is not for us, we spend more time indoors because its too hot to go out, the winter is great but the houses are not built to keep heat in so there bloody cold in winter. my husband is also a heating engineer and had a hard time when we got here to get his qualifications recognised, even now he can't get work in his field unless he went back to college and learnt what he already knows. He works as a pool technician which sounds great but he doesn't like it, and can't wait to get a job where he is paid what he is worth. He gets $20 hr which is about £5 crap plus the cost of living is so much more compared to the wages. Also as far as bringing your kids and sorting it out this end, i think you will find you can't do that, if they are not dependant on you as much as they are still in full time education they can only get out here on their own visas. Thats what my agent told me (Ian Harrop) Your wife is kidding herself if she thinks that she can live out here and leave kids back in UK, i also thought that, and belive me its not easy, what about when they get married, have your grandchildren, its all these sort of things that you realise you will miss. Sounds to me that you are looking at a way of getting out of the way you are working and living at the moment, why don't you look a little closer to home (Europe). Good Luck |
Originally posted by malpjc ...the possibility of getting away from that and all the other things i have mentioned is too great and i think australia is now looking even better than it did before.once again mike thanks for your post:beer: :beer: :beer: |
Re: your experiences appreciated
Originally posted by malpjc hello everyone, we are hoping to migrate to australia asap, I came out here quite a few years ago, expecting a lot of Australia to be very much like the UK, but warmer. I found it to be very different, and for various reasons i never felt that I fitted in, and eventually I returned to the UK, with a very vocal anti-Australian attitude. However, it didn't work out back in the UK either, even though I had returned financially secure. I returned to Australia again, but this time I changed my attitude. I accepted the country for what it was, (a different country), although I did change to QLD instead of NSW this time :) I've now been back here for 4 years, and feel totally settled. Some people settle within 6 months, and some never settle. We are all different, and fit in better in different places. |
To the dreamer in maljpc and his wife:
You've been given some exceptional advice from folks who've moved to Australia...some who've returned to the UK...some who are returning... and some who are still in Australia, yet are waving big red flags at you...CAUTION! Brits seem to think that they can turn up in Oz with the profit on sale of their UK property and life will just peachy. That is something that even the most ardent Oz-advocate will tell you is plain...rubbish! Your GBP150K is worth spit in Oz. Sorry to be so blunt but where do you intend buying a mortgage-free home with that capital? You can kiss any dream of Sydney & Melbourne goodbye. And any home in a central and accesible area in any of the other centres too. But that's not the end of it. Tapalinga screamed a big bold warning at you: her hubby is also a heating-engineer and is cleaning pools. Brits don't just walk into work opportunities in Oz the way they do in their dreams. And why should they? Every country, including Oz, has the right to assume that home-grown and trained labour is favourable to imports. Your two oldest kids are NOT going to magically appear in Australia. They will have to endure the skilled independent application and will only be granted entry based on their own individual merits. And if they don't get in on their own merits, say hello to a huge amount of anxiety, sadness and massive spending on long and tortuous airflights. You have adopted some common sense in your soul searching questions you originally raised. Your wife appears to live in dream-land. I have nothing against dreamers. But I've no desire to see you take a massive step backward in your life. You want to move to Oz? Plan on being unemployable for 10 to 18 months. You think cleaning loos or packing grocery market shelves is way cool (so long as you're in Oz)? Think again. There's a whole bunch of other Aussies applying for those jobs too. You've done well for yourself in your field. Trust me...doing anything else other than what you want or are good at in the UK is soul-destroying and demoralising. Before you get the idea that I'm some "go-home-brit" Aussie... Yes, my wife and I lived in Australia. We now live on Vancouver Island (Canada). And we're leaving for the UK again as soon as we sell our house. Making the kind of move you're contemplating will be the most expensive and risky decision of your life. Shifting money around the world can have catastrofic implications. Aus $ / Sterling has been as high as almost $3 to the pound and as low as $2.35. Don't bet on making the move either way when the rate is at its most advantageous. "We only live once", "got to grab the opportunity while we can" and all that other baloney is just that...baloney. It's pipe-dreams, powder-puff, and rose-coloured-spectacle stuff. And guess what? A cute little tour around Oz isn't going to help you either. No holiday ANYWHERE can ever prepare for a new way of life in a foreign country. When you're on holiday, you'll love the beaches, eat out at some nice restaurants, live it up and think Oz is so wonderful. Spend 3 months in Oz in a rented flat outside in the suburbs somewhere and try and live as you might if you weren't on holiday. Then you'll have an inkling of what life is like in Oz. Australia is a wonderful country. The people are some of this earth's finest. The food is the best and the climate is unequalled. But there's a reason that a horrifically large percentage of Brits return to the UK. Don't throw away everything you've built up in your life to date. If your wife is driving you nuts, send her to Australia (without you). Find her some weekly rented accommodation some place 80 kilometres from central Sydney or in some other small town (for that's what your GBP150K is going to buy you). Let her see how wonderful Oz isand make a rational decision after being there for 2 months. Some very serious advice has been given by others in answer to your original posting. Oh, I know I'll be interpreted as being a spoil-sport, bitter, party-pooper...or whatever... Listen to the advice, buddy. And save yourself huge heart-ache later on. |
Well Goose, I have to confess that would have to be the most
honest and informative post that I have ever read since I have joined this site well said,you seem to know from experience what leaving one's homeland is all about. As someone once said!!!! I believe that being wretched from one's homeland leaves deep scars in the phyche of every emigrant,and they bear these scars for the rest of their lives. :lecture: |
I've had the wonderful good fortune to see some of the most beautiful and idyllic places in the world. I've chased rainbows around the world and its cost us tens and tens of thousands of pounds (shifting money, loss of income, regrouping, starting over etc).
But more sunshine, a lot more space and a white sandy beach is no substitute for good friends, family and doing what you're good at work-wise. I've loved the experience. I'm grateful to have had the opportunity. It's only having spent the years away that you can make a proper judgement call. Australia may well be the pot-of-gold for some folks. Just don't dream on thinking it's going to be without massive risk and substantial losses, both financial and other losses less quantifiable (but perhaps harder to suffer). |
Originally posted by Goose To the dreamer in maljpc and his wife: You've been given some exceptional advice from folks who've moved to Australia...some who've returned to the UK...some who are returning... and some who are still in Australia, yet are waving big red flags at you...CAUTION! Brits seem to think that they can turn up in Oz with the profit on sale of their UK property and life will just peachy. That is something that even the most ardent Oz-advocate will tell you is plain...rubbish! Your GBP150K is worth spit in Oz. Sorry to be so blunt but where do you intend buying a mortgage-free home with that capital? You can kiss any dream of Sydney & Melbourne goodbye. And any home in a central and accesible area in any of the other centres too. But that's not the end of it. Tapalinga screamed a big bold warning at you: her hubby is also a heating-engineer and is cleaning pools. Brits don't just walk into work opportunities in Oz the way they do in their dreams. And why should they? Every country, including Oz, has the right to assume that home-grown and trained labour is favourable to imports. Your two oldest kids are NOT going to magically appear in Australia. They will have to endure the skilled independent application and will only be granted entry based on their own individual merits. And if they don't get in on their own merits, say hello to a huge amount of anxiety, sadness and massive spending on long and tortuous airflights. You have adopted some common sense in your soul searching questions you originally raised. Your wife appears to live in dream-land. I have nothing against dreamers. But I've no desire to see you take a massive step backward in your life. You want to move to Oz? Plan on being unemployable for 10 to 18 months. You think cleaning loos or packing grocery market shelves is way cool (so long as you're in Oz)? Think again. There's a whole bunch of other Aussies applying for those jobs too. You've done well for yourself in your field. Trust me...doing anything else other than what you want or are good at in the UK is soul-destroying and demoralising. Before you get the idea that I'm some "go-home-brit" Aussie... Yes, my wife and I lived in Australia. We now live on Vancouver Island (Canada). And we're leaving for the UK again as soon as we sell our house. Making the kind of move you're contemplating will be the most expensive and risky decision of your life. Shifting money around the world can have catastrofic implications. Aus $ / Sterling has been as high as almost $3 to the pound and as low as $2.35. Don't bet on making the move either way when the rate is at its most advantageous. "We only live once", "got to grab the opportunity while we can" and all that other baloney is just that...baloney. It's pipe-dreams, powder-puff, and rose-coloured-spectacle stuff. And guess what? A cute little tour around Oz isn't going to help you either. No holiday ANYWHERE can ever prepare for a new way of life in a foreign country. When you're on holiday, you'll love the beaches, eat out at some nice restaurants, live it up and think Oz is so wonderful. Spend 3 months in Oz in a rented flat outside in the suburbs somewhere and try and live as you might if you weren't on holiday. Then you'll have an inkling of what life is like in Oz. Australia is a wonderful country. The people are some of this earth's finest. The food is the best and the climate is unequalled. But there's a reason that a horrifically large percentage of Brits return to the UK. Don't throw away everything you've built up in your life to date. If your wife is driving you nuts, send her to Australia (without you). Find her some weekly rented accommodation some place 80 kilometres from central Sydney or in some other small town (for that's what your GBP150K is going to buy you). Let her see how wonderful Oz isand make a rational decision after being there for 2 months. Some very serious advice has been given by others in answer to your original posting. Oh, I know I'll be interpreted as being a spoil-sport, bitter, party-pooper...or whatever... Listen to the advice, buddy. And save yourself huge heart-ache later on. So: 1. Send wife on a limited budget to check lifestyle, or 2. Take a seemingly well earned long holiday in Aus then return to the UK, or 3. Secure a good job / business before emigrating. |
Originally posted by Goose Australia is a wonderful country. The people are some of this earth's finest. The food is the best and the climate is unequalled. But there's a reason that a horrifically large percentage of Brits return to the UK. Don't throw away everything you've built up in your life to date. If your wife is driving you nuts, send her to Australia (without you). Find her some weekly rented accommodation some place 80 kilometres from central Sydney or in some other small town (for that's what your GBP150K is going to buy you). Let her see how wonderful Oz isand make a rational decision after being there for 2 months. Some very serious advice has been given by others in answer to your original posting. Oh, I know I'll be interpreted as being a spoil-sport, bitter, party-pooper...or whatever... Listen to the advice, buddy. And save yourself huge heart-ache later on. Please Mr/Ms Administrator, can you help would-be migrants by including it as part of the Read me: in the Australia and NZ forum ? |
Superb post, Goose. I agree with Mike & Irishguiness that it's one of the best posts I've ever read on this website.
You have articulated so well so many of my own views & experiences re migration. A must read for all. Cheers, Bella |
My husband is also a heating engineer and as such has plenty of plumbing experience. We have found out that heating engineer/gas fitter is not a trade in its own right in Aus but is a sub sector of general plumbing. For you to work as a general plumber in Aus you have to have city and guilds level 3 plus you will have to take some Australian exams. Your U.K. experience will count for nothing. We are not going to go because of this. I would have liked to have gone for the adventure but at age 39 my husband does not want to start again.and this is fair enough. As a nurse I would have no problem getting a visa or work but if my husband can't get decent employment then it's no good. I understand your wife's feelings but would she really be happy if you were cleaning toilets and two of her kids were thousands of miles away? Will the weather compensate for this?
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Originally posted by Goose To the dreamer in maljpc and his wife: You've been given some exceptional advice from folks who've moved to Australia...some who've returned to the UK...some who are returning... and some who are still in Australia, yet are waving big red flags at you...CAUTION! Brits seem to think that they can turn up in Oz with the profit on sale of their UK property and life will just peachy. That is something that even the most ardent Oz-advocate will tell you is plain...rubbish! Your GBP150K is worth spit in Oz. Sorry to be so blunt but where do you intend buying a mortgage-free home with that capital? You can kiss any dream of Sydney & Melbourne goodbye. And any home in a central and accesible area in any of the other centres too. But that's not the end of it. Tapalinga screamed a big bold warning at you: her hubby is also a heating-engineer and is cleaning pools. Brits don't just walk into work opportunities in Oz the way they do in their dreams. And why should they? Every country, including Oz, has the right to assume that home-grown and trained labour is favourable to imports. Your two oldest kids are NOT going to magically appear in Australia. They will have to endure the skilled independent application and will only be granted entry based on their own individual merits. And if they don't get in on their own merits, say hello to a huge amount of anxiety, sadness and massive spending on long and tortuous airflights. You have adopted some common sense in your soul searching questions you originally raised. Your wife appears to live in dream-land. I have nothing against dreamers. But I've no desire to see you take a massive step backward in your life. You want to move to Oz? Plan on being unemployable for 10 to 18 months. You think cleaning loos or packing grocery market shelves is way cool (so long as you're in Oz)? Think again. There's a whole bunch of other Aussies applying for those jobs too. You've done well for yourself in your field. Trust me...doing anything else other than what you want or are good at in the UK is soul-destroying and demoralising. Before you get the idea that I'm some "go-home-brit" Aussie... Yes, my wife and I lived in Australia. We now live on Vancouver Island (Canada). And we're leaving for the UK again as soon as we sell our house. Making the kind of move you're contemplating will be the most expensive and risky decision of your life. Shifting money around the world can have catastrofic implications. Aus $ / Sterling has been as high as almost $3 to the pound and as low as $2.35. Don't bet on making the move either way when the rate is at its most advantageous. "We only live once", "got to grab the opportunity while we can" and all that other baloney is just that...baloney. It's pipe-dreams, powder-puff, and rose-coloured-spectacle stuff. And guess what? A cute little tour around Oz isn't going to help you either. No holiday ANYWHERE can ever prepare for a new way of life in a foreign country. When you're on holiday, you'll love the beaches, eat out at some nice restaurants, live it up and think Oz is so wonderful. Spend 3 months in Oz in a rented flat outside in the suburbs somewhere and try and live as you might if you weren't on holiday. Then you'll have an inkling of what life is like in Oz. Australia is a wonderful country. The people are some of this earth's finest. The food is the best and the climate is unequalled. But there's a reason that a horrifically large percentage of Brits return to the UK. Don't throw away everything you've built up in your life to date. If your wife is driving you nuts, send her to Australia (without you). Find her some weekly rented accommodation some place 80 kilometres from central Sydney or in some other small town (for that's what your GBP150K is going to buy you). Let her see how wonderful Oz isand make a rational decision after being there for 2 months. Some very serious advice has been given by others in answer to your original posting. Oh, I know I'll be interpreted as being a spoil-sport, bitter, party-pooper...or whatever... Listen to the advice, buddy. And save yourself huge heart-ache later on. Cheers Pants :D :D |
Goose, where were you this time last year when I needed you???!!!
Then again, I probably would have stuck my fingers in my ears & said 'Im not listening!!' Angelica :cool: |
Originally posted by Goose To the dreamer in maljpc and his wife: You've been given some exceptional advice from folks who've moved to Australia...some who've returned to the UK...some who are returning... and some who are still in Australia, yet are waving big red flags at you...CAUTION! Brits seem to think that they can turn up in Oz with the profit on sale of their UK property and life will just peachy. That is something that even the most ardent Oz-advocate will tell you is plain...rubbish! Your GBP150K is worth spit in Oz. Sorry to be so blunt but where do you intend buying a mortgage-free home with that capital? You can kiss any dream of Sydney & Melbourne goodbye. And any home in a central and accesible area in any of the other centres too. But that's not the end of it. Tapalinga screamed a big bold warning at you: her hubby is also a heating-engineer and is cleaning pools. Brits don't just walk into work opportunities in Oz the way they do in their dreams. And why should they? Every country, including Oz, has the right to assume that home-grown and trained labour is favourable to imports. Your two oldest kids are NOT going to magically appear in Australia. They will have to endure the skilled independent application and will only be granted entry based on their own individual merits. And if they don't get in on their own merits, say hello to a huge amount of anxiety, sadness and massive spending on long and tortuous airflights. You have adopted some common sense in your soul searching questions you originally raised. Your wife appears to live in dream-land. I have nothing against dreamers. But I've no desire to see you take a massive step backward in your life. You want to move to Oz? Plan on being unemployable for 10 to 18 months. You think cleaning loos or packing grocery market shelves is way cool (so long as you're in Oz)? Think again. There's a whole bunch of other Aussies applying for those jobs too. You've done well for yourself in your field. Trust me...doing anything else other than what you want or are good at in the UK is soul-destroying and demoralising. Before you get the idea that I'm some "go-home-brit" Aussie... Yes, my wife and I lived in Australia. We now live on Vancouver Island (Canada). And we're leaving for the UK again as soon as we sell our house. Making the kind of move you're contemplating will be the most expensive and risky decision of your life. Shifting money around the world can have catastrofic implications. Aus $ / Sterling has been as high as almost $3 to the pound and as low as $2.35. Don't bet on making the move either way when the rate is at its most advantageous. "We only live once", "got to grab the opportunity while we can" and all that other baloney is just that...baloney. It's pipe-dreams, powder-puff, and rose-coloured-spectacle stuff. And guess what? A cute little tour around Oz isn't going to help you either. No holiday ANYWHERE can ever prepare for a new way of life in a foreign country. When you're on holiday, you'll love the beaches, eat out at some nice restaurants, live it up and think Oz is so wonderful. Spend 3 months in Oz in a rented flat outside in the suburbs somewhere and try and live as you might if you weren't on holiday. Then you'll have an inkling of what life is like in Oz. Australia is a wonderful country. The people are some of this earth's finest. The food is the best and the climate is unequalled. But there's a reason that a horrifically large percentage of Brits return to the UK. Don't throw away everything you've built up in your life to date. If your wife is driving you nuts, send her to Australia (without you). Find her some weekly rented accommodation some place 80 kilometres from central Sydney or in some other small town (for that's what your GBP150K is going to buy you). Let her see how wonderful Oz isand make a rational decision after being there for 2 months. Some very serious advice has been given by others in answer to your original posting. Oh, I know I'll be interpreted as being a spoil-sport, bitter, party-pooper...or whatever... Listen to the advice, buddy. And save yourself huge heart-ache later on. Thank you ACE |
Originally posted by Goose To the dreamer in maljpc and his wife: You've been given some exceptional advice from folks who've moved to Australia...some who've returned to the UK...some who are returning... and some who are still in Australia, yet are waving big red flags at you...CAUTION! Brits seem to think that they can turn up in Oz with the profit on sale of their UK property and life will just peachy. That is something that even the most ardent Oz-advocate will tell you is plain...rubbish! Your GBP150K is worth spit in Oz. Sorry to be so blunt but where do you intend buying a mortgage-free home with that capital? You can kiss any dream of Sydney & Melbourne goodbye. And any home in a central and accesible area in any of the other centres too. Hey Goose, This is the best post I have read, and should be posted on the moving out to Aus forum. So true and honest!! All the best when you get back to Head Office (UK) See you there Can't Wait!!!!! Andrew But that's not the end of it. Tapalinga screamed a big bold warning at you: her hubby is also a heating-engineer and is cleaning pools. Brits don't just walk into work opportunities in Oz the way they do in their dreams. And why should they? Every country, including Oz, has the right to assume that home-grown and trained labour is favourable to imports. Your two oldest kids are NOT going to magically appear in Australia. They will have to endure the skilled independent application and will only be granted entry based on their own individual merits. And if they don't get in on their own merits, say hello to a huge amount of anxiety, sadness and massive spending on long and tortuous airflights. You have adopted some common sense in your soul searching questions you originally raised. Your wife appears to live in dream-land. I have nothing against dreamers. But I've no desire to see you take a massive step backward in your life. You want to move to Oz? Plan on being unemployable for 10 to 18 months. You think cleaning loos or packing grocery market shelves is way cool (so long as you're in Oz)? Think again. There's a whole bunch of other Aussies applying for those jobs too. You've done well for yourself in your field. Trust me...doing anything else other than what you want or are good at in the UK is soul-destroying and demoralising. Before you get the idea that I'm some "go-home-brit" Aussie... Yes, my wife and I lived in Australia. We now live on Vancouver Island (Canada). And we're leaving for the UK again as soon as we sell our house. Making the kind of move you're contemplating will be the most expensive and risky decision of your life. Shifting money around the world can have catastrofic implications. Aus $ / Sterling has been as high as almost $3 to the pound and as low as $2.35. Don't bet on making the move either way when the rate is at its most advantageous. "We only live once", "got to grab the opportunity while we can" and all that other baloney is just that...baloney. It's pipe-dreams, powder-puff, and rose-coloured-spectacle stuff. And guess what? A cute little tour around Oz isn't going to help you either. No holiday ANYWHERE can ever prepare for a new way of life in a foreign country. When you're on holiday, you'll love the beaches, eat out at some nice restaurants, live it up and think Oz is so wonderful. Spend 3 months in Oz in a rented flat outside in the suburbs somewhere and try and live as you might if you weren't on holiday. Then you'll have an inkling of what life is like in Oz. Australia is a wonderful country. The people are some of this earth's finest. The food is the best and the climate is unequalled. But there's a reason that a horrifically large percentage of Brits return to the UK. Don't throw away everything you've built up in your life to date. If your wife is driving you nuts, send her to Australia (without you). Find her some weekly rented accommodation some place 80 kilometres from central Sydney or in some other small town (for that's what your GBP150K is going to buy you). Let her see how wonderful Oz isand make a rational decision after being there for 2 months. Some very serious advice has been given by others in answer to your original posting. Oh, I know I'll be interpreted as being a spoil-sport, bitter, party-pooper...or whatever... Listen to the advice, buddy. And save yourself huge heart-ache later on. |
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