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Originally posted by malpjc the difference is they are not lazy sponging sods.there was a story today in one of the daily papers about a 19 year old male that has got 4 kids with another on the way,ok fair enough he stayed with the mother but they get £1,000 a month in benefits and he says he hasn't got time to work,well he's just another wanker who's taking the piss,and by the way he's white and english,i feel the same about these people that scrounge of the rest of us,no matter what their race.do you not mind having to pay more and more tax etc to keep these people or are you rich enough not to worry about it,it appears that wherever i go i am going to put up with crime etc but at least in australia i can have my house without a mortgage and have nice weather and not be paying for other lazy people,i remember before you replied to one of my posts saying that i couldn't get a house mortgage free as my £150,000 wasn't worth anything in oz,i just don't understand where you get your info from Take a look at this story from 3rd August...yes, 4 days ago: http://www.news.com.au/common/story_...55E421,00.html Welfare cheats reap $1bn in scams August 3, 2004 WELFARE cheats owe taxpayers almost $1 billion in false claims and overpayments, an investigation by the National Audit Office has revealed. And Centrelink has allowed the rip-off merchants to get away with it, relying on people to dob in dole cheats without lifting a finger to stop the scams. In most cases, welfare recipients failed to disclose a change to their income, collecting payments to which they were no longer entitled. According to Centrelink, welfare recipients identified as most likely to fleece the system include young people, Aborigines, ethnic communities and those in de facto relationships. Unemployed people collecting the Newstart allowance were found to be the worst offenders, racking up debts of more than $285 million. On average, that means every dole recipient owes the Commonwealth $534 in wrongly claimed payments. The audit report found the next biggest target for cheats was the Youth Allowance, where $114 million has been outlaid on false pretences. While students claiming Austudy have been overpaid to the tune of $20 million, the individual debts are relatively high, with recipients falsely claiming about $550 each. Since opening in 1997, Centrelink has dished out $260 billion to the unemployed, pensioners and the disabled. Welfare recipients now owe the nation $967 million, compared to $800 million four years ago. In the next year, Centrelink will fork out $62 billion to 6.3 million welfare recipients, ranging from uni students to the elderly and disabled. The Australian National Audit Office also found serious "administrative errors" inside Centrelink were to blame for the debt blowout. "Centrelink currently has inconsistent recovery structures and processes across its network," the audit said. "The ANAO found no clear national level approach to this important function." But the Federal Government yesterday praised its efforts in stamping out fraud. "The Government is un apologetic about our strong record of ensuring compliance and preventing welfare fraud," Minister for Children and Youth Affairs Larry Anthony said. |
I think everyone seems to be forgetting that this is a "returning to the UK" forum.
I have returned to the UK from Oz and have found this site of great interest because I can talk to people who I can relate to. Australia has it's fair share of illegal immigrants and spongers, as does the UK. The grass isn't greener for evryone and nobody really knows that until they have tried living and working there. |
Originally posted by malpjc hi mike, well he's just another wanker who's taking the piss,and by the way he's white and english, |
Yep, Welsh, what more can you expect from the Taffs? ;)
Boy, 19, is dad of five By JOHN COLES JOBLESS Mike Blake is about to become a dad for the fifth time - at the age of NINETEEN. He and pregnant wife Kathleen, 23, rake in £1,150 a month in benefits and live rent-free in a council house. Yet the pair - who have never done a day's work between them and say they live on a "tight budget" - insisted yesterday: "We are not scroungers." The couple have money to run a car but say they are too busy looking after all their kids to find jobs. And with child No5 on the way they are hoping their local council will move them from their three-bedroom house to a bigger one. Mike, who married Kathleen when he was only 16, said: "I want to work, I'm not a shirker. "But it would not be right to go to work and leave the children at home with Kathleen. Looking after all these children is a full-time job. "It's extremely hectic taking care of them. "If one of us worked the other would have to cope by themselves and that would not be fair. "It's tough living on a tight budget but we get by and all the children are healthy and happy." The couple get £250 in handouts a week, including income support and other benefits. They also get £150 a month Child Benefit. They reckon they spend at least £60 a week on food at their home in Glyncoch, near Pontypridd, South Wales, making sure the children get plenty of fresh fruit and vegetables. Mike, who was put into foster care at ten, was a 15-year-old schoolboy when he fell for Kathleen. She already had eldest child Sarah-Jane, now six, by a previous relationship. She quickly became pregnant with the couple's first child Jordan, three. Daughter Courteney, 2½, quickly followed and then baby Kia, seven months, arrived at the beginning of this year. Within a couple of months Kathleen found she was pregnant for a fifth time with another girl, who is due in October. Mike, who has legally adopted Sarah-Jane as his own, admitted: "People say I'm too young to cope and it has been hard sometimes. "When all the kids are screaming, I've got to get in the car to drive somewhere." Mike's big brood came to light when he appeared at Merthyr Tydfil Crown Court on driving offences and his solicitor said he had not "shirked" being a dad. Lawyer Andrew Taylor told the court: "He has four children and his wife is heavily pregnant with their fifth child. But he has not shirked his responsibilities as a father." Mike was already banned from the road when police tried to pull him over as he drove to pick up Sarah-Jane from school. He put his foot down and led officers on a high-speed chase. He is now awaiting sentence on charges including driving while disqualified, driving dangerously, having no insurance and failing to stop. Judge Mike Furness deferred sentence while reports are carried out on the young dad. Mike insisted he planned to get a job as a builder once the children are a bit older. He added: "It does get a bit crowded with all the children but we are one big happy family. "We are very close and loving and everyone gets on fine. But we hope to move to a larger council house when the baby arrives." Mike said he had no problem taking on a single mum while still in his mid-teens. But he admitted his whole life did change when he discovered Kathleen was pregnant with their first child. He said: "It was a bit of a shock but it was what we wanted - and we both wanted a big family. "It's been tough, especially for Kathleen, but we are very much in love. Everything is working out. I'm happier than a lot of friends who are young, free and single. "I've got a family who love me - that's the best anyone can have, whether you are 19 or 90." Kathleen said: "We may be young parents but that doesn't mean my children have to suffer in any way. "Having a big family is something I wanted, because I want my children to be surrounded with brothers and sisters." |
Originally posted by HiddenPaw oh for gawd's sake, this sort of stuff goes on in Australia too. Your taxes in Australia will be paying for the welfare cheats, just like your taxes do in the UK. Where do you get these crazy ideas that Australia is an egalitarian paradise with no social problems? Take a look at this story from 3rd August...yes, 4 days ago: http://www.news.com.au/common/story_...55E421,00.html Welfare cheats reap $1bn in scams August 3, 2004 WELFARE cheats owe taxpayers almost $1 billion in false claims and overpayments, an investigation by the National Audit Office has revealed. And Centrelink has allowed the rip-off merchants to get away with it, relying on people to dob in dole cheats without lifting a finger to stop the scams. In most cases, welfare recipients failed to disclose a change to their income, collecting payments to which they were no longer entitled. According to Centrelink, welfare recipients identified as most likely to fleece the system include young people, Aborigines, ethnic communities and those in de facto relationships. Unemployed people collecting the Newstart allowance were found to be the worst offenders, racking up debts of more than $285 million. On average, that means every dole recipient owes the Commonwealth $534 in wrongly claimed payments. The audit report found the next biggest target for cheats was the Youth Allowance, where $114 million has been outlaid on false pretences. While students claiming Austudy have been overpaid to the tune of $20 million, the individual debts are relatively high, with recipients falsely claiming about $550 each. Since opening in 1997, Centrelink has dished out $260 billion to the unemployed, pensioners and the disabled. Welfare recipients now owe the nation $967 million, compared to $800 million four years ago. In the next year, Centrelink will fork out $62 billion to 6.3 million welfare recipients, ranging from uni students to the elderly and disabled. The Australian National Audit Office also found serious "administrative errors" inside Centrelink were to blame for the debt blowout. "Centrelink currently has inconsistent recovery structures and processes across its network," the audit said. "The ANAO found no clear national level approach to this important function." But the Federal Government yesterday praised its efforts in stamping out fraud. "The Government is un apologetic about our strong record of ensuring compliance and preventing welfare fraud," Minister for Children and Youth Affairs Larry Anthony said. not once have i said that this kind of thing doesn't go on anywhere else,if i've got to put up with it i might as well do it somewhere that's better than the uk.how many beaches in the uk are as clean as the ones in australia,how many nature parks are there in the uk,how often does it rain in the uk compared to australia and finally i can buy a nice house and just tiggle along. whats wrong with giving money to pensioners ,students and disabled,you state that certain people owe $534 and $550 each,that's not the same as some in the uk that have fiddled thousands and thousands,i know you cannot totally believe what you read in the papers in the uk but undercover reporters have taped different non british people saying how easy it is to come to the uk and make thousands by cheating the goverment,i know i cannot do anything about it so i am going top move to where it doesn't piss me off.who am i to complain about another country's problems with cheats,i was born in the next town and have lived here all my life,i've always paid rent,tv license,tax,car tax,car insurance and council tax,it annoys me to see so many others take advantage in the place i was born and bought up. i can't help thinking that those of you that have gone and returned seem to feel that you have to protect the uk from being bad mouthed ,you wait and see what this country will be like in 15 years time,as i said before it's a shit hole now,australia might be a shit hole as well but at least it will be a shit hole with nice weather,hundreds of miles of great beaches and i won't have a mortgage or it will only be a small one |
Originally posted by wilko_1984 I think everyone seems to be forgetting that this is a "returning to the UK" forum. I have returned to the UK from Oz and have found this site of great interest because I can talk to people who I can relate to. Australia has it's fair share of illegal immigrants and spongers, as does the UK. The grass isn't greener for evryone and nobody really knows that until they have tried living and working there. |
Originally posted by malpjc hello hiddenpaw, not once have i said that this kind of thing doesn't go on anywhere else,if i've got to put up with it i might as well do it somewhere that's better than the uk.how many beaches in the uk are as clean as the ones in australia,how many nature parks are there in the uk,how often does it rain in the uk compared to australia and finally i can buy a nice house and just tiggle along. whats wrong with giving money to pensioners ,students and disabled,you state that certain people owe $534 and $550 each,that's not the same as some in the uk that have fiddled thousands and thousands,i know you cannot totally believe what you read in the papers in the uk but undercover reporters have taped different non british people saying how easy it is to come to the uk and make thousands by cheating the goverment,i know i cannot do anything about it so i am going top move to where it doesn't piss me off.who am i to complain about another country's problems with cheats,i was born in the next town and have lived here all my life,i've always paid rent,tv license,tax,car tax,car insurance and council tax,it annoys me to see so many others take advantage in the place i was born and bought up. i can't help thinking that those of you that have gone and returned seem to feel that you have to protect the uk from being bad mouthed ,you wait and see what this country will be like in 15 years time,as i said before it's a shit hole now,australia might be a shit hole as well but at least it will be a shit hole with nice weather,hundreds of miles of great beaches and i won't have a mortgage or it will only be a small one It's not a case of not liking to see the UK bad mouthed...more a case of when you get to Oz, you will be complaining about the same problems. That was my point. There is nothing wrong with wanting to live it, try it, whatever..I genuinely wish you the best and hope you find what you are searching. However, altho you are attracted by the mortgage free life and great beaches, your underlying reasons seem to stem from your frustrations with the UK system. If you go with the impression that Australia doesn't have scroungers, that AUstralia is 'better' than the UK...all these assumptions before you've even got there (or ever been there!!)... you could be in for a shock. Saying that, if beaches, sunshine and a big house are all you need in life, and if beaches, sunshine and a big house will counteract all the other issues that life brings, then 'no worries', I'm sure you'll love it.....even when you're paying 50% tax - LOL! I don't mean to be aggressive, but you are in denial about certain aspects of the UK...it has some of the most beautiful countryside in the world....nature in abundance; rain....wonderful for lush greenery...lack of rain in Australia is not such a great thing for obvious reasons. How often do you actually go to the countryside in the UK? If you can't name anywhere beautiful in the UK then you probably don't have any real interest in the outdoors. Again, wishing youthe best of luck in your venture :) |
Originally posted by malpjc hi mike, are you serious,how do immigrants add more £ to the economy than what they take out. |
Originally posted by malpjc hi mike, i remember before you replied to one of my posts saying that i couldn't get a house mortgage free as my £150,000 wasn't worth anything in oz,i just don't understand where you get your info from |
Originally posted by MikeStanton I suggest you get your memory checked-out : I didn't say that. What I said is that you have to live some distance from Sydney (40kms+) to get a house for that kind of money. Of course, you can buy a house in those centres of excitement like Adelaide and Hobart for GBP 150k. Why, you might even have enough money remaining to make a telephone call and dob in a welfare cheat. anywhere outside Sydney or Melbourne or some expensive coastal areas such as Bryon bay, etc. |
Originally posted by MikeStanton I suggest you get your memory checked-out : I didn't say that. What I said is that you have to live some distance from Sydney (40kms+) to get a house for that kind of money. Of course, you can buy a house in those centres of excitement like Adelaide and Hobart for GBP 150k. Why, you might even have enough money remaining to make a telephone call and dob in a welfare cheat. |
Originally posted by MikeStanton Because most immigrants do not jump straight on to welfare. Most immigrants are prepared to work longer hours and do the jobs that we wouldn't. And they create demand for goods and services, which increases demand and creates jobs for the likes of you and your husband. But, like I said, do the research - not read papers that pander to narrow-minded bigotry. Most people are law-abiding, whatever their shade or religion. I have been away from the UK for 12 years, and I believe people are more tolerant in the UK - well, most people - than when I left. the immigrants that do work long hours are treated badly,i don't think that's fair but what's worse is because they earn their little wage they probably don't get any financial help from the welfare but the lazy spongers do.this is what i am moaning about,there are english people that are just as bad . how do you feel about that bloke with one eye and a hook,i can't remember his name now,the bloody police shut the road so he could hold a rally trying to recruit people to go and kill our soldiers in iraq,this country is great isnt it.letting a person like that live in our country holding a rally for that,i believe weapons were found at one of his places as well. i didn't agree with what happened in iraq,the stupid americans got it wrong,how many times did mp's say there is definite proof saddam has weapons of mass destruction,more shit and now we live in fear of more bombings.i could go on but it's getting tedious,if someone wants to believe that this country is still great then that is up to them |
Originally posted by HiddenPaw soz Mal, you did say you were sick of your taxes going to scroungers....I was just saying same goes on in Oz.....your taxes will prop up the welfare system. The article doesn't say that a few students owe $500...it says that if you averaged it out, EVERY welfare claimant would owe $500...in other words, amongst the genuine ones who don't defraud the system, there are those who defraud it to the extent of 1000s of $$.....quite simply, it is no different to the UK. Basically, it's 'people' and not 'places'....there are selfless, honest people in every country, including the UK, and there are dishonest scumbags in every country, including Australia. It's not a case of not liking to see the UK bad mouthed...more a case of when you get to Oz, you will be complaining about the same problems. That was my point. There is nothing wrong with wanting to live it, try it, whatever..I genuinely wish you the best and hope you find what you are searching. However, altho you are attracted by the mortgage free life and great beaches, your underlying reasons seem to stem from your frustrations with the UK system. If you go with the impression that Australia doesn't have scroungers, that AUstralia is 'better' than the UK...all these assumptions before you've even got there (or ever been there!!)... you could be in for a shock. Saying that, if beaches, sunshine and a big house are all you need in life, and if beaches, sunshine and a big house will counteract all the other issues that life brings, then 'no worries', I'm sure you'll love it.....even when you're paying 50% tax - LOL! I don't mean to be aggressive, but you are in denial about certain aspects of the UK...it has some of the most beautiful countryside in the world....nature in abundance; rain....wonderful for lush greenery...lack of rain in Australia is not such a great thing for obvious reasons. How often do you actually go to the countryside in the UK? If you can't name anywhere beautiful in the UK then you probably don't have any real interest in the outdoors. Again, wishing youthe best of luck in your venture :) |
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