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Originally posted by malpjc thanks for your post,the driving factor for going is the lure of a better way of life,the stupid thing is i have got a good way of life here in the uk.i am 39,married to a loving wife,our 3 kids are, nearly 21,just turned 18 and 16 in feb.i have a really good job with good money,28 days holiday,pension and share options.in the last 6 years i have owned a bmw 735,audi avant,merc 300,merc 200 te,bmw316.i have bought 2 cars for the boys and we have just submitted plans to the local council to turn our house from a 3 bed 1 bath to a 4 bed with en_suite,2 family baths,shower and cloakroom downstairs,pool room with bar and a detatched double garage.am i mad to want to go to australia. i am not rich by any means but i am not poor either,the cars were quite old and in total cost £10k,my house is in a not very great area and i have borrowed the money for the extention,i am a heating engineer by trade but can do electrics and i also had a go at roofing many years ago,i will be doing most of the work myself except the structural stuff. my wife has wanted to go to australia for years now,i have shown her some of the posts here and she is now umming and aaring.i want to make her happy but i am worried that she doesn't really know what it is really like,we were hoping to move to adelaide and we thought our kids, and in the future their kids, would have a better way of life.are we totally wrong to believe this,any more feedback would be very appreciated, thanks that long if it was'nt a nice place to live. l don't see why you could'nt have atleast the same standard of living in Adelaide or even better then in the Uk. |
Hi, just read your message and thought this might help you. We migrated in August 2002 me, my husband and our 12yr son -left behind my eldest son and a daughter as they were not dependants and could not come on our visa. Well, its been hard, we have missed our familys so much. But we said before we left that we would give it 2 years and we have, and are now going to return to UK. We sold our house, which i am glad we did, if we hadn't i think i would have gone back sooner. Coming to Australia has opened up our lives and we realise that there is soo much more to do, perhaps your wife feels this, as i did, i was also the one who wanted to go and started the ball rolling. don't get me wrong i have shed lots of tears and it has been a hard journey. If you are meant to come it will happen. Even if you only come for a couple of years its a great experience. We had never been to Australia until we arrived 2 years ago, i think if i had visited first i would not have come. Good luck with your decisions and would be great to know what you decide.
Originally posted by renth Hi there, Are you sure you'll be able to take the 21 year old and 18 year old? For skilled migration there are rigid rules about childeren having to be dependent and if they are working full time they probably won't be classed as such. The 18 year old will be over 19 when your visas come through, even if you start the paper work now. |
Originally posted by Tapalinga Hi, just read your message and thought this might help you. We migrated in August 2002 me, my husband and our 12yr son -left behind my eldest son and a daughter as they were not dependants and could not come on our visa. Well, its been hard, we have missed our familys so much. But we said before we left that we would give it 2 years and we have, and are now going to return to UK. We sold our house, which i am glad we did, if we hadn't i think i would have gone back sooner. Coming to Australia has opened up our lives and we realise that there is soo much more to do, perhaps your wife feels this, as i did, i was also the one who wanted to go and started the ball rolling. don't get me wrong i have shed lots of tears and it has been a hard journey. If you are meant to come it will happen. Even if you only come for a couple of years its a great experience. We had never been to Australia until we arrived 2 years ago, i think if i had visited first i would not have come. Good luck with your decisions and would be great to know what you decide. Do you think if all your family where here in OZ that you might have not wanted to go home, or are you finding it to lonely? I find OZ can be very lonely at times. when do you plan to return to the U.K.? |
Hi Malpjc,
Take Janeyray's advice Dont Dont Dont sell your home, go to OZ for a working holiday,enjoy it for what it is,but it will never take the place of your family and close friends no place could ever do that. I have close friends who arrived in Australia 12 years ago, and now they want to return, again it's not that they don't like OZ, they just miss their friends they have grown up with in the U.K. :) :) |
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Originally posted by malpjc hello everyone, we are hoping to migrate to australia asap, i have to admit i am really surprised at the amount of people who have gone there and then returned back to the uk.i have been trying to find negatives about moving there.it's my wife that started the ball rolling with wanting to move,she has been on about it for years and i have always said no before,the last time she mentioned it i thouight about it and said ok.we bought some books and after reading them and looking things up on the net i couldn't wait to start the ball rolling.i said to my wife there has got to be a negative to this,it cannot be as good as it first seems.the only thing we could come up with is we are going to miss the family,i know work is hard to find and that in some areas of australis it is expensive. i would really appreciate it if some of you could reply with your reasons for coming back to the uk,i have made a list of why i want to go but from the amount of you on this particular forum it looks like i have not taken everything into account. thanks very much:) :D ;) Mate, Another option open to you is to apply for a 'Retirement Visa', (410), the only problems with this are: 1). One of you must be at least 55 years of age. 2). I think you need something like the applicant must have Australia $870,000, or resources available of $350,000 AND pension rights or investment capital or both generating annual income of not less than $52,000 Cheers |
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Originally posted by malpjc hello everyone, we are hoping to migrate to australia asap, i have to admit i am really surprised at the amount of people who have gone there and then returned back to the uk... Go, enjoy, make the most of it and regard as an adventure and an experience. And don't see it as a failure if it doesn't work out - you will surely have gained something valuable from it! Good luck! |
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Originally posted by malpjc hello everyone, we are hoping to migrate to australia asap, i have to admit i am really surprised at the amount of people who have gone there and then returned back to the uk.i have been trying to find negatives about moving there.it's my wife that started the ball rolling with wanting to move,she has been on about it for years and i have always said no before,the last time she mentioned it i thouight about it and said ok.we bought some books and after reading them and looking things up on the net i couldn't wait to start the ball rolling.i said to my wife there has got to be a negative to this,it cannot be as good as it first seems.the only thing we could come up with is we are going to miss the family,i know work is hard to find and that in some areas of australis it is expensive. i would really appreciate it if some of you could reply with your reasons for coming back to the uk,i have made a list of why i want to go but from the amount of you on this particular forum it looks like i have not taken everything into account. thanks very much:) :D ;) |
Originally posted by Megalania My advice - as an Aussie - if you feel you must give living in Aus a go, only do so if you can get a good job or business in Aus. Treat it as a ~1 year experiment. You have a lot at stake at your stage of life. From what you describe, it sounds like you potentially have a lot to lose (even though you don't intend to sell your house yet). Key to this is what you realistically believe that Oz is going to offer you, compared with what you have now. Obviously, Oz has the warmer climate, and most people live reasonably close to a beach and there is more space (outside the cities). Apart from that, how does Oz compare with the UK: Healthier lifestyle? No - it's comparable to the UK. USA, UK and Oz hold the top 3 places for obesity. There are more opportunities for an outdoor life in Oz, but the shadow of skin cancer is ever-present. Most people who have grown up in Oz have had at least one melanoma removed by age 40. It probably explains why there is usually a skin cancer clinic in each suburb. Asthma levels in NZ, Oz (and I gather now also the UK) are among the highest in the world. Education: UK and Oz standards are very similar, but - not surprisingly - they teach different things at different times. Better opportunities for the children? Yes - for UK immigrants, insofar that Oz citizenship provides children with more options when they are older. As far as Oz-based careers go? No. UK, Europe and USA provide far more - because of the bigger markets. Lower crime etc? No. Oz has the same social problems as UK. Crime is comparable to the UK - with Oz having a higher number of more serious crimes. Like anywhere, live out of the main cities and the crime is generally lower. More relaxed lifestyle? Depends what you like to do and your working hours. Given the space and the climate, there are more outdoors options in Oz - unless it is very hot. But, the average Oz working week is longer than in the UK. You may have already considered the following risks, but just in case you haven't: - work. Is their much call for heating engineers in Oz? Oz is hot (no pun intended) on qualifications - do you have the right qualification? Or, if not, have you figured how to generate income while you study for it? Jobs that may require no qualifications in UK, may require them in Oz (eg real estate agent). If it doesn't work out for you in Oz, how easy would it be for you to get your old/comparable job back in UK? - pension? would you lose your pension if you left your job - why Adelaide? No doubt some people on this site love the 'city of churches' and South Australia. Adelaide is a nice place to visit..and possibly to be buried. And it's not because they tested a few nuclear bombs there in the '50s. It's just not renowned - even among Aussies - for its excitement and job opportunities. After all, if SA was able to attract enough interstate immigrants from NSW, Vic etc, do you think the SA politicians would need to sell SA to would-be UK migrants? - fragmenting the family? based on the Oz department of immigration stats, ~35% of all UK immigrants return home permanently. Assuming that there is a 35% chance of every UK migrant to Oz returning to UK permanently, what are the chances that one or more family members may really want to return to the UK? - if 3 people in family = ~70% - if 4 people in family = ~80% - if 5 people in family = ~90% although the above stats are a bit simplistic, they rightly show that there is a good chance that one or family members will want to return to the UK, especially if children, are, say, in their mid-teens - where their friends are v. important to them. Although many families do stay in Oz - whether all or in part, this issue can really increase the stress of settling-in. |
Originally posted by MikeStanton I agree with Meg (whoa!) From what you describe, it sounds like you potentially have a lot to lose (even though you don't intend to sell your house yet). Key to this is what you realistically believe that Oz is going to offer you, compared with what you have now. Obviously, Oz has the warmer climate, and most people live reasonably close to a beach and there is more space (outside the cities). Apart from that, how does Oz compare with the UK: Healthier lifestyle? No - it's comparable to the UK. USA, UK and Oz hold the top 3 places for obesity. There are more opportunities for an outdoor life in Oz, but the shadow of skin cancer is ever-present. Most people who have grown up in Oz have had at least one melanoma removed by age 40. It probably explains why there is usually a skin cancer clinic in each suburb. Asthma levels in NZ, Oz (and I gather now also the UK) are among the highest in the world. Education: UK and Oz standards are very similar, but - not surprisingly - they teach different things at different times. Better opportunities for the children? Yes - for UK immigrants, insofar that Oz citizenship provides children with more options when they are older. As far as Oz-based careers go? No. UK, Europe and USA provide far more - because of the bigger markets. Lower crime etc? No. Oz has the same social problems as UK. Crime is comparable to the UK - with Oz having a higher number of more serious crimes. Like anywhere, live out of the main cities and the crime is generally lower. More relaxed lifestyle? Depends what you like to do and your working hours. Given the space and the climate, there are more outdoors options in Oz - unless it is very hot. But, the average Oz working week is longer than in the UK. You may have already considered the following risks, but just in case you haven't: - work. Is their much call for heating engineers in Oz? Oz is hot (no pun intended) on qualifications - do you have the right qualification? Or, if not, have you figured how to generate income while you study for it? Jobs that may require no qualifications in UK, may require them in Oz (eg real estate agent). If it doesn't work out for you in Oz, how easy would it be for you to get your old/comparable job back in UK? - pension? would you lose your pension if you left your job - why Adelaide? No doubt some people on this site love the 'city of churches' and South Australia. Adelaide is a nice place to visit..and possibly to be buried. And it's not because they tested a few nuclear bombs there in the '50s. It's just not renowned - even among Aussies - for its excitement and job opportunities. After all, if SA was able to attract enough interstate immigrants from NSW, Vic etc, do you think the SA politicians would need to sell SA to would-be UK migrants? - fragmenting the family? based on the Oz department of immigration stats, ~35% of all UK immigrants return home permanently. Assuming that there is a 35% chance of every UK migrant to Oz returning to UK permanently, what are the chances that one or more family members may really want to return to the UK? - if 3 people in family = ~70% - if 4 people in family = ~80% - if 5 people in family = ~90% although the above stats are a bit simplistic, they rightly show that there is a good chance that one or family members will want to return to the UK, especially if children, are, say, in their mid-teens - where their friends are v. important to them. Although many families do stay in Oz - whether all or in part, this issue can really increase the stress of settling-in. Chernobyl disaster. One thing l miss about Adelaide is the mild winters usually the temperatue is between 16-20 c and the sun shining, where l live now on the west coast of Victoria in winter it freezing and raining every second day. |
Originally posted by wombat42 They did'nt test atomic bombs in Adelaide in the 1950's they tested them at Wommera , 800 kilometers away from Adelaide in the outback, If any radiation did reach Adelaide l doubt it would have been as bad as the radiation that affected the UK after the Chernobyl disaster. Chernobyl vs SA? In Europe, our descendents will grow 3 heads, but in Adeliade it'll only be two. That must be comforting for folk in SA! :) |
Originally posted by MikeStanton I agree with Meg (whoa!) From what you describe, it sounds like you potentially have a lot to lose (even though you don't intend to sell your house yet). Key to this is what you realistically believe that Oz is going to offer you, compared with what you have now. Obviously, Oz has the warmer climate, and most people live reasonably close to a beach and there is more space (outside the cities). Apart from that, how does Oz compare with the UK: Healthier lifestyle? No - it's comparable to the UK. USA, UK and Oz hold the top 3 places for obesity. There are more opportunities for an outdoor life in Oz, but the shadow of skin cancer is ever-present. Most people who have grown up in Oz have had at least one melanoma removed by age 40. It probably explains why there is usually a skin cancer clinic in each suburb. Asthma levels in NZ, Oz (and I gather now also the UK) are among the highest in the world. Education: UK and Oz standards are very similar, but - not surprisingly - they teach different things at different times. Better opportunities for the children? Yes - for UK immigrants, insofar that Oz citizenship provides children with more options when they are older. As far as Oz-based careers go? No. UK, Europe and USA provide far more - because of the bigger markets. Lower crime etc? No. Oz has the same social problems as UK. Crime is comparable to the UK - with Oz having a higher number of more serious crimes. Like anywhere, live out of the main cities and the crime is generally lower. More relaxed lifestyle? Depends what you like to do and your working hours. Given the space and the climate, there are more outdoors options in Oz - unless it is very hot. But, the average Oz working week is longer than in the UK. You may have already considered the following risks, but just in case you haven't: - work. Is their much call for heating engineers in Oz? Oz is hot (no pun intended) on qualifications - do you have the right qualification? Or, if not, have you figured how to generate income while you study for it? Jobs that may require no qualifications in UK, may require them in Oz (eg real estate agent). If it doesn't work out for you in Oz, how easy would it be for you to get your old/comparable job back in UK? - pension? would you lose your pension if you left your job - why Adelaide? No doubt some people on this site love the 'city of churches' and South Australia. Adelaide is a nice place to visit..and possibly to be buried. And it's not because they tested a few nuclear bombs there in the '50s. It's just not renowned - even among Aussies - for its excitement and job opportunities. After all, if SA was able to attract enough interstate immigrants from NSW, Vic etc, do you think the SA politicians would need to sell SA to would-be UK migrants? - fragmenting the family? based on the Oz department of immigration stats, ~35% of all UK immigrants return home permanently. Assuming that there is a 35% chance of every UK migrant to Oz returning to UK permanently, what are the chances that one or more family members may really want to return to the UK? - if 3 people in family = ~70% - if 4 people in family = ~80% - if 5 people in family = ~90% although the above stats are a bit simplistic, they rightly show that there is a good chance that one or family members will want to return to the UK, especially if children, are, say, in their mid-teens - where their friends are v. important to them. Although many families do stay in Oz - whether all or in part, this issue can really increase the stress of settling-in. |
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You need to wait for the advice of the migration agent. You've brushed off the question of your two eldest kids by saying you are going to bring them over on temp visas and see what you can do once you are over here. It's not as easy as that. You need wait and see what the agent says about the kids and take their advice. PS please let us know what the advice is and post it on the migration (and lifestyle forums too) |
Originally posted by malpjc hi mike,you have made some very good points,i am concerned about the effect on my kids,my 2 sons think it would be good but my daughter wasn't too sure,we need to have another family discussion to make sure that we are all at least going to make a go of it.saying that though, where do you draw the line of worrying about the kids or getting on with your own life,i know we have to do that with our daughter but my 2 boys are old enough that we shouldn't be worrying about them,of course we do now but say the 18 year old wanted to come home after a year should we all follow.i come from quite a large family and he would not be left out on the streets.i suppose i do have a lot to lose but i am only trying to build up on what i have to be able to leave the kids something when i peg it.we had the kids early and since then it has been a constant must do the overtime,can't afford that got to pay the mortgage etc etc.i know this is the same for everyone else but i am starting to think is it all worth it,yuo're only here once make the most of it.for the last 20 years i have been driving myself on and on to get the things i have now and when i sit and think about it ,do they make me happy,i don't really know.i work saturdays,till 1 pm anyway,and by the time i've taken the mrs to do the weekly shopping and have our dinner that's saturday more or less over,i am not complaining but that leaves sunday to do all the things that need doing and it's time to go back to work,i've had that for the last 15 years and for 7 of those i was working 3 hours sunday,this also included christmas holidays,i know i could have said no,but as i said before i had created this must provide for the family bloody thing and now we are having the benefit of it i don't know if it was worth it.i don't know if you read my other post but i have been doing up my house for 18 of the last 24 months,doing shift work and then coming home and starting again.i think if we move to australia then i wont have to worry about all that ,my wife is the one that has really got her heart set on it and i want to make her happy,she said earlier that her nice big new kitchen did not matter to her ,she would rather be in australia ,that's good enough for me and we will be bringing £150k with us ,we should be able to live mortgage free and have some for emergencies.the amount of times i have had to turn down social events because i have been on call out or i have had to go in the next day,i just think i can get away from all that and start enjoying ourselves.although my trade is as a heating engineer this takes in plumbing,i have also got qualifications in other areas and will clean toilets if i have to,but at least it will only be to earn enough money for some food and gas/electric etc,my mortgage is nearly £900 a month at the moment,my fault i know,the possibility of getting away from that and all the other things i have mentioned is too great and i think australia is now looking even better than it did before.once again mike thanks for your post:beer: :beer: :beer: |
Originally posted by MikeStanton Sorry to disappoint you, but radioactive dust did reach Adelaide and fallout was detected as far east as Sydney : but, for some strange reason they didn't make it public knowledge at the time. Chernobyl vs SA? In Europe, our descendents will grow 3 heads, but in Adeliade it'll only be two. That must be comforting for folk in SA! :) Natural background, cosmic and geological, far exceed radiation from nuclear bomb fallout. Even natural variations between locations greatly exceed total fallout radiation. And of all that, the natural radio-potassium in your body gives a greater dose than fallout. http://www.nre.vic.gov.au/web/root/D...diometrics.gif |
Would we stay if all our families lived here, we can't really say, but i know that there are lots of other factors for returning not just family. The weather in Qlds in the summer is not for us, we spend more time indoors because its too hot to go out, the winter is great but the houses are not built to keep heat in so there bloody cold in winter.
my husband is also a heating engineer and had a hard time when we got here to get his qualifications recognised, even now he can't get work in his field unless he went back to college and learnt what he already knows. He works as a pool technician which sounds great but he doesn't like it, and can't wait to get a job where he is paid what he is worth. He gets $20 hr which is about £5 crap plus the cost of living is so much more compared to the wages. Also as far as bringing your kids and sorting it out this end, i think you will find you can't do that, if they are not dependant on you as much as they are still in full time education they can only get out here on their own visas. Thats what my agent told me (Ian Harrop) Your wife is kidding herself if she thinks that she can live out here and leave kids back in UK, i also thought that, and belive me its not easy, what about when they get married, have your grandchildren, its all these sort of things that you realise you will miss. Sounds to me that you are looking at a way of getting out of the way you are working and living at the moment, why don't you look a little closer to home (Europe). Good Luck Originally posted by wombat42 l lived in Adelaide for 18 years and a would'nt have stayed there that long if it was'nt a nice place to live. l don't see why you could'nt have atleast the same standard of living in Adelaide or even better then in the Uk. |
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