WTF in America
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#7428
Re: WTF in America
A few years ago a remake was on the cards with Stephen Fry writing the script and one suggestion under consideration was calling the dog “digger”. Close enough to the facts without overshadowing the whole project with this kind of discussion.
#7429
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Re: WTF in America
Tbh, this debate, which has been rumbling for years, makes a remake completely pointless. However the issue is handled, every review and opinion will be dominated by this subject, making the film redundant.
Might as well put up a still of a black dog, with the allocated name printed below and let everybody get on with the debate.
Might as well put up a still of a black dog, with the allocated name printed below and let everybody get on with the debate.
Last edited by scrubbedexpat142; Jan 3rd 2019 at 12:14 pm.
#7430
Re: WTF in America
Obviously more important than rubbing out the unsuspecting people down the valley. Sometimes I have trouble liking re-makes, (or films made from books), and sometimes I'm pleasantly surprised. The original was good enough that any major changes to the screenplay or addition of sub-plots will be ripe for criticism.
Last edited by caretaker; Jan 3rd 2019 at 12:35 pm.
#7431
Re: WTF in America
From what I recall, they said a remake is worthwhile because so much of the dambuster's story was still classified when the film was made in the 50s, so there actually is new material/plot.
#7432
Re: WTF in America
I like historical accuracy and can see how updating some things would be good, but I'm apprehensive about the industry predilection for throwing a love story into a war story. The structure of background and tactical need, inspiration, development, crew selection,training, execution, and epilogue seems straight forward. Since they obviously aren't going to get a bunch of flying Lancs these days the quality of cgi will be very important. The sooner they make it and release it the sooner I may find a second-hand dvd.
#7434
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Re: WTF in America
Yes but the "meeja" - in all its forms, will make so much fuss about the dog that all the good stuff will be lost in the noise!
#7438
Re: WTF in America
I suspect the whole position of “it was not a loaded term in 1940s UK as the country did not have the same history of institutional slavery and racism as the US, and in fact was a common type of ‘brown’” is just too complex for some folk to get their head around.
A few years ago a remake was on the cards with Stephen Fry writing the script and one suggestion under consideration was calling the dog “digger”. Close enough to the facts without overshadowing the whole project with this kind of discussion.
A few years ago a remake was on the cards with Stephen Fry writing the script and one suggestion under consideration was calling the dog “digger”. Close enough to the facts without overshadowing the whole project with this kind of discussion.
Other memoirs that have been published since, probably shed some more light on Gibson's character: by all accounts he was really not a very likeable man, but he has that in common with many other inspirational leaders. His is a fascinating story, though, however it's told: born to a Raj family in India; brought up largely by an aunt as his mother became an alcoholic following a messy divorce; always a bit of a loner; pursued and ultimately married a showgirl after becoming mesmerized by her performance on stage... there's enough for a sub-plot or two in there to keep the scriptwriters happy.
Bring it on...
Last edited by Oakvillian; Jan 3rd 2019 at 5:29 pm.
#7439
Re: WTF in America
My opinion for what it's worth, is the name needs to be changed. No other word I can think carries the same level of deep biting insult. It matters not to the history of the story, if it stays it diverts from the heroics to question the time and place, and society that created the ability for such insults. It might remind the viewer that WW2, was all about putting down a rival power with imperial ambitions. The result of the war was dismantling of empire, so all a bit pointless in the end. For the movie to work it will want heroes. Any reminder that they wouldn't have been everybody's heroes probably needs to be taken out for dramatic reasons, for what will be a planned block buster.