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scrubbedexpat099 Feb 5th 2013 3:34 pm

Re: Tipping for big groups
 

Originally Posted by Yorkieabroad (Post 10527729)
Even with my Yorkshire roots, I'd never really thought of myself as a Cheap Charlie....until now:frown:;)

Seriously though, I'm surprised that folk calculate a tip on sales tax...the "double the sales tax" method was something an american colleague told me years ago when I came here on business - I just assumed it was a pretty normal way to do it!

Not so good when your sales tax is 3.9%, you would have club wielding waitresses running you down.

Yorkieabroad Feb 6th 2013 12:50 am

Re: Tipping for big groups
 

Originally Posted by Boiler (Post 10527771)
Not so good when your sales tax is 3.9%, you would have club wielding waitresses running you down.

Lol - we adjust accordingly when we travel. Or pretend we're English. Oh wait....

luvmeboys Feb 6th 2013 2:24 am

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Oh - this is really bad, I HATE tipping! hate hate hate it :thumbdown: and I'm in the service industry! it just makes me feel dirrttyy :sneaky: I do tip - but I hate it :sneaky:

Yorkieabroad Feb 6th 2013 2:31 am

Re: Tipping for big groups
 

Originally Posted by luvmeboys (Post 10528630)
Oh - this is really bad, I HATE tipping! hate hate hate it :thumbdown: and I'm in the service industry! it just makes me feel dirrttyy :sneaky: I do tip - but I hate it :sneaky:

Now, your signature says you're a chef, so maybe you can answer something I've always wondered....do the kitchen staff get a share of the tips the waitstaff collect?

luvmeboys Feb 6th 2013 2:39 am

Re: Tipping for big groups
 

Originally Posted by Yorkieabroad (Post 10528639)
Now, your signature says you're a chef, so maybe you can answer something I've always wondered....do the kitchen staff get a share of the tips the waitstaff collect?

in some establishments yes - up to a percentage I think. I know of places where the wait staff are supposed to divvy up an equal share of their tips to the buss boys, dish wash etc.

Jerseygirl Feb 6th 2013 3:00 am

Re: Tipping for big groups
 
In the restaurants my daughter worked...she had to tip out a percentage of her tips to the buss boys etc. I don't think it was shared between the chefs. At the end of the day the total 'tip outs' were shared between said workers. If tips were left in cash...tips were automatically calculated at 15% and taken out of her wages.

As for income tax...I thought it was assumed that servers would get 15% in tips...whether it was cash or credit card.

Yorkieabroad Feb 6th 2013 3:08 am

Re: Tipping for big groups
 

Originally Posted by Jerseygirl (Post 10528683)
If tips were left in cash...tips were automatically calculated at 15% and taken out of her wages.

Wow - thats tough if she had some poor tippers!

jeffreyhy Feb 6th 2013 3:11 am

Re: Tipping for big groups
 
My apologies, I guess I didn't phrase that very well. I also don't consider myself or you to be Cheap Charlies because we don't consider the sales tax when calculating the tip.

Regards, JEff



Originally Posted by Yorkieabroad (Post 10527729)
Even with my Yorkshire roots, I'd never really thought of myself as a Cheap Charlie....until now:frown:;)


Jerseygirl Feb 6th 2013 3:15 am

Re: Tipping for big groups
 

Originally Posted by Yorkieabroad (Post 10528697)
Wow - thats tough if she had some poor tippers!

One customer walked out without paying. My daughter had to pay the almost $100 bill out of her own pocket...plus the 'tip out' amount for the rest of the staff. That was the last day she worked as a server.

penguinbar Feb 6th 2013 5:09 am

Re: Tipping for big groups
 
In NYC it's illegal for the owner or management to make the server or bartender pay for a check if the guest walks out. That's terrible what happend to your daughter Jersey. I know it's not illegal in other cities and states. It's also illegal in NYC for any"non tipped employee' such as kitchen staff. owners or management to take a share of the tip pool. There have been some major lawsuits over this. Mario Batali had to pay back his staff over $5 million. It's legal in NY to have to tip out runners, busboys and bartenders, sommeliers , captains and maitre di's. In my recent bartending job I had to tip out the busboy/runner 10% if there was one and 16% if there was two. The servers would tip me out 10% and the busser/runner 18% if there was one and 30% if there was two. I had no bar back and dd all the schlep work ( carrying cases of beer wine, filling the ice bin ) myself. The servers would have to physically lift table and chairs each day for set up and carry them out side when the cafe was open. The restaurant industry is alot of work but I enjoy it.

penguinbar Feb 6th 2013 5:11 am

Re: Tipping for big groups
 
It is legal for a chef to be tipped if he is actually serving the food such as at some sushi restaurants and at certain restaurants where the "chef's table" is like a bar in front of an open kitchen.

Jerseygirl Feb 6th 2013 5:15 am

Re: Tipping for big groups
 

Originally Posted by penguinbar (Post 10528934)
In NYC it's illegal for the owner or management to make the server or bartender pay for a check if the guest walks out. That's terrible what happend to your daughter Jersey. I know it's not illegal in other cities and states. It's also illegal in NYC for any"non tipped employee' such as kitchen staff. owners or management to take a share of the tip pool. There have been some major lawsuits over this. Mario Batali had to pay back his staff over $5 million. It's legal in NY to have to tip out runners, busboys and bartenders, sommeliers , captains and maitre di's. In my recent bartending job I had to tip out the busboy/runner 10% if there was one and 16% if there was two. The servers would tip me out 10% and the busser/runner 18% if there was one and 30% if there was two. I had no bar back and dd all the schlep work ( carrying cases of beer wine, filling the ice bin ) myself. The servers would have to physically lift table and chairs each day for set up and carry them out side when the cafe was open. The restaurant industry is alot of work but I enjoy it.

We were thoroughly p*ssed about it. The owner of the restaurant owned 2 more restaurants in our small town. We used to go to the steak restaurant weekly...but since then we haven't been back. That was 9 years ago.

tonrob Feb 6th 2013 5:28 am

Re: Tipping for big groups
 

Originally Posted by Jerseygirl (Post 10528947)
We were thoroughly p*ssed about it. The owner of the restaurant owned 2 more restaurants in our small town. We used to go to the steak restaurant weekly...but since then we haven't been back. That was 9 years ago.

I'd have done a poo in his letterbox.

Yorkieabroad Feb 6th 2013 4:24 pm

Re: Tipping for big groups
 

Originally Posted by Jerseygirl (Post 10528717)
One customer walked out without paying. My daughter had to pay the almost $100 bill out of her own pocket...plus the 'tip out' amount for the rest of the staff. That was the last day she worked as a server.

Can't blame her for quitting - that is outrageous!

Yorkieabroad Feb 6th 2013 4:26 pm

Re: Tipping for big groups
 

Originally Posted by penguinbar (Post 10528934)
. In my recent bartending job I had to tip out the busboy/runner 10% if there was one and 16% if there was two. The servers would tip me out 10% and the busser/runner 18% if there was one and 30% if there was two.

That sounds incredibly complicated....did you have to tip a CPA to keep track of it all?


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